Rori

Further Information: These need no introduction, plenty of info online about them. Works as it should and in very good condition with just a couple slight marks on the top glossy bit which I couldn't capture through photos. Have all original packaging, manuals and remote, therefore can ship at buyers expense. PayPal not as a friend will incur an extra 3%.

Further Information: Make an offer! Moving interstate and need gone. It will be getting boxed up this weekend, so audition won't be available. I have a Vienna Acoustics Klimt Series 'Poetry' centre channel speaker for sale which comes with the matching stand. It is the High Gloss Black version and current retail is ~$14.5k for the setup. About the condition, it has swirl marks and a chip as shown in the photo's (which can be hidden by the cover) hence the price. Otherwise works as it should. The stand has a few small scratched on the side and some felt liner has come away. Felt liner sits under the speaker and is hidden, the scratches are at the back side. Shipping is possible if the buyer wants to organise, I do have the original boxes and foam for the stand, but no foam inserts for the speaker. Happy to drop it to a local postal service company, but it won't be cheap and will need a pallet for transport. Boxes are huge. The weight of the speaker is roughly 50kg and the stand roughly 40kg. I could deliver locally if my asking price is met.

I'd be keen on the A5 amp if you were willing to split. Cheers, Rori

Still available. Few enquiries, but nothing solid yet.

Further Information: Make and offer! Moving interstate and need gone. It will be getting boxed up this weekend, so audition won't be available. I have a Vienna Acoustics Klimt Series 'Poetry' centre channel speaker for sale which comes with the matching stand. It is the High Gloss Black version and current retail is ~$14.5k for the setup. About the condition, it has swirl marks and a chip as shown in the photo's (which can be hidden by the cover) hence the price. Otherwise works as it should. The stand has a few small scratched on the side and some felt liner has come away. Felt liner sits under the speaker and is hidden, the scratches are at the back side. Shipping is possible if the buyer wants to organise, I do have the original boxes and foam for the stand, but no foam inserts for the speaker. Happy to drop it to a local postal service company, but it won't be cheap and will need a pallet for transport. Boxes are huge. The weight of the speaker is roughly 50kg and the stand roughly 40kg.

Nice find. 220W at 6Ω with 1 channel driven at 1% THD. Does this mean it wouldn't even be able to give 220W all channels driven at 6Ω?

@Lansche plasma guy

Further information: I have a Vienna Acoustics Klimt Series 'Poetry' centre channel speaker for sale which comes with the matching stand. I'm not sure of age as I am the third owner. It is the High Gloss Black version and current retail is ~$14.5k for the setup. About the condition, it has swirl marks and a chip as shown in the photo's (which can be hidden by the cover) hence the price. Otherwise works as it should. The stand has a few small scratched on the side and some felt liner has come away. Felt liner sits under the speaker and is hidden, the scratches are at the back side. Shipping is possible if the buyer wants to organise, I do have the original boxes but no foam. I may be able to source/make some if required. Happy to drop it to a local postal service ccompany, but it won't be cheap and will need a pallet for transport. Boxes are huge. The weight of the speaker is roughly 50kg and the stand roughly 40kg. Photos: PLEASE READ If you include any reference to pricing whatsoever in this section (excluding RRP), your ad will not be approved If you are advertising multiple items, you must post one bulk price only, or post seperate ads for each item If you don't include photographs of the actual item being sold, your ad will not be approved You understand that upon successful sale of your item it is expected you pay Seller's Fees. - if you have previously sold items and not made a contribution, your advertisement may not be approved.

If you sell ML, you'll most likely have the first 2 items in your records. The third, i dont have the receipt unfortunately. I'm an honest guy and haven't bullshit the price I paid above. I also gave you the timeframe above. I'm not fussed whether you believe it or not. I have different hobbies and will certainly be spending less time with this hobby and more time with the other hobbies. Like I said, it is getting unaffordable for me.

That is my proof/evidence with one brand. You cannot discount that. It would be very silly of any customer to believe that this is the only brand a dealer can make good coin as well. All three of you are dealers, so just saying that "what I'm saying is false because we are dealers and have been in the industry for decades" doesn't amount to absolute proof either. It is essentially your words against mine and I've given some numbers to prove at least with ML it can be very high margin (even 50% margin is huge) and just not on, the rrp should be much less. I'm not going to ask for proof on paper again (which would show if my claims are false or not), obviously that would never happen. However I will say that, I, as a customer am not going to take your words as gospel. Grains of salt here. No vendetta, I stated that reasonable margin is ok and needed for business's to survive. I do think that this is no longer about surviving and more about greed now. And not just with the audio retail sector. Anyway, I think I'll tap out of this conversation, 3 dealers against one customer is obviously going to get no where. Of course you as a dealer would never let out what you're making, so all I can go off is my experience and what I can see with my own eyes. That has been expressed above so I won't go into it again. I do hope this thread will continue with the original intent however, because I believe that will keep greed in check. Dealers shouldn't have anything to worry about with this thread continuing if they're making a reasonable margin only.

Haha mate you're on drugs. My experience isn't an assumption, I gave proof to Hydrology up above. I just simply said that you missed my experience that I gave and to read up above your post to see the proof.

Mate, if I'm having a laugh where's the proof? Sorry, but I'm not just going to take your word for it. I gave my numbers and proof. No way did I receive the item at cost. Of course dealers will object to what I see and have stated, as if any dealer is going to say, "yep, I'm making too much, I need to start slashing my prices". The only way this happens is if customers stop paying some of these prices. Believe it or not, I'm ok with you blokes making money to run a business, it needs to happen. Just stop taking the piss. Prices of high end gear today is approaching unobtainable levels for guys who are actually doing ok in life. And could afford it once upon a time.

You must've missed it, read up a bit.

Atleast you're being fairly honest saying it is possible to get up to 60% on gear. I think based off my experience it can be even more with some brands. Yes it isn't as high as other retail sectors, but it is not apples to apples with Bunnings and iPhone is it? They aren't selling gear that can cost $200k+ and their average sale price on an item wouldn't be anywhere near as high as the audio industry. Again, you can't expect 500% on an item that costs $2k+. Not that I think Bunnings or iPhone are doing the right thing, they are worse really.

May not sell like hot cakes, no-one has made that comment. However Martin Logan would be close off the top of my head. I purchased a Martin Logan Balanced Force 212 which had an RRP of $8k in 2017 and I got a discount to $5300. Now assuming the dealer still made 20%, that takes it to $4240 cost. That's close to 90% on top. Even if the dealer made 10%, that's just shy of 70% increase from cost. Not being a dealer, I don't know how many products achieve these kinds of results, but I don't think this is the only brand either. I'm sorry, but the discount however much it is does seem like a prerequisite. If it was a privelige, you wouldn't be offered 5 to 15% off just for signing up to the newsletter to receive great deals and hot prices etc. It should be an obligation at the prices customers are paying. I haven't even gone into the smaller profit margins made on cost no object items in the realm of $50k plus. Sorry, but dealers are doing ok.

I mean like audio gear.... Don't know why you need to justify your point by bringing in completely off topic reasons. I 100% agree with you that what I'm talking about is rampant in all business's, not just audio. You can't deny though that on this topic, this is also happening. It may not be happening at the percentages of Bunnings or iPhone, but how can it? We're talking purchase prices in the tens of thousands mostly, not 100's of dollars.

So, firstly I don't have any issues with dealers. I just don't think they're all angels and I also don't think they're all doing it that tough. Obviously in any business, how you run it is most important and some dealers will actually be struggling, again like in any business, not just audio. I get the feeling on Stereonet though, you can't possibly think the dealers are doing good and they all must be struggling to make ends meet. As soon as you do think or question this, you get these ridiculous replies from other do gooders protecting dealers. I just don't get it, we as customers have to stick together. I do know it is product dependant, however I think if you average out all products margins across the board, you will see a very healthy margin for most dealers. Some products may give only 10% which the dealer wouldn't want to discount, I get it and everyone in business needs to make a dollar. What I don't like is when the RRP is waaaaaaayyy above the actual cost of the product. If you're smart, you will bargain the dealer down, if you're not or haven't been told about the unwritten rule, the dealer will blink dollar signs as he sells something at full price with 50% to 80% profit. This unwritten rule that most products should be bargained down is what I don't like. It is taking the piss plain and simple. If it was that tough in this game and most dealers were struggling, they'd be more than happy to show their books as proof right before they go under. With my eyes open, I just don't see this happening. Take Covid for example where a LOT of small businesses went under, I haven't heard of an audio business copping the same fate yet. If there is 1 or 2, still not in the same league as other retail sector's.

That has nothing to do with anything.

Further information: Brand new in box, never left the wrapping. Box opened only. Wanted to use these in my room, but never got around to it and now we're moving house. Plenty of info online of what these hybrid panels can do. RRP was ~$2500.

Withdrawn from sale

Further information: I have a Vienna Acoustics Klimt Series 'Poetry' centre channel speaker for sale which comes with the matching stand. I'm not sure of age as I am the third owner. It is the High Gloss Black version and current retail is ~$14.5k for the setup. About the condition, it has swirl marks and a chip as shown in the photo's (which can be hidden by the cover) hence the price. Otherwise works as it should. The stand has a few small scratched on the side and some felt liner has come away. Felt liner sits under the speaker and is hidden, the scratches are at the back side. Shipping is possible if the buyer wants to organise, I do have the original boxes but no foam. I may be able to source/make some if required. Happy to drop it to a local postal service ccompany, but it won't be cheap and will need a pallet for transport. Boxes are huge. The weight of the speaker is roughly 50kg and the stand roughly 40kg. Photos: PLEASE READ If you include any reference to pricing whatsoever in this section (excluding RRP), your ad will not be approved If you are advertising multiple items, you must post one bulk price only, or post seperate ads for each item If you don't include photographs of the actual item being sold, your ad will not be approved You understand that upon successful sale of your item it is expected you pay Seller's Fees. - if you have previously sold items and not made a contribution, your advertisement may not be approved.

Yes please mate

Cheers. Going by this math, the average at 0.90 for 2014 should be more like $26,200 roughly, vs $27,995 that it is. I think you're right that there is more to it though, and I don't think it works in the customers favour, just a hunch. I found the RRP in 2014 for the MC1.2's at $21,000 USD a pair. That's $10,500 USD each compared with $18,495 AUD. That seems a lot more than the Aus to US dollar conversion would imply. Seems someone was being very greedy back then more so than now. My point in any case is audio has become further unobtainable to the common man with these rich prices that I now don't think just comes down to dollar conversions. If anyone can explain why, that would be great. Otherwise I think keeping this thread up to date with recommended retail pricing can only be a good thing to customers and audio enthusiasts.

Can you show how you did the maths please mate? I'm trying to get the same figures as you, but I'm not able to. I may be missing something.

Fair point, I didn't take that into consideration. Only thing I'll say to that is the yearly average was .90 with a high of .95 and a low of .81 according to a quick google, so not quite $27,680. Still possible to haggle them down to whatever that new figure is. I might have to find a product that more closely shows my point of view Hopefully I can!