Lenehan Audio Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 On 10/24/2017 at 3:23 PM, Rob181 said: Size matters...so this one would be my pick... 7½" SATORI MW19P-8 Hi Rob thats the beast mate ! I have a pair hear at the factory now . Mike
Rob181 Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 On 10/18/2017 at 8:27 PM, Lenehan Audio said: On 10/27/2017 at 2:33 PM, Lenehan Audio said: Hi Rob thats the beast mate ! I have a pair hear at the factory now . Mike Will be very interested to read how they compare with the current Peerless driver...
Lenehan Audio Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 19 hours ago, Rob181 said: Will be very interested to read how they compare with the current Peerless driver... So far the Peerless Nomex drivers have produced the best midrange I have heard this side of the best paper diaphragm woofers . The problem with the paper drivers historically is that the bass performance is generally poor ! I know ! The mids are the most important but if you can have both you gotta grab it . The Nomex drivers sound like paper in the mids and do the bottom end like more conventional drives . This new Satori 7.5 inch has the big advantage of superb TS specs that predict an awesome bottom end and yet we also have a superb paper diaphragm ! WT ! This normally does not happen Lads ! I must admit to being a little sceptical , but we shall see . I'm still completing the kit speaker project at the moment but as soon as I'm finished I'm into it . Cheers. Mike Lenehan 4
ljmac Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 If there 's one thing that I can say really stands out about all of Mike's speakers, it's the midrange - I haven't heard better. So those humble Nomex cones must indeed be good midrange drivers.
zenelectro Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 16 hours ago, Lenehan Audio said: So far the Peerless Nomex drivers have produced the best midrange I have heard this side of the best paper diaphragm woofers . The problem with the paper drivers historically is that the bass performance is generally poor ! I know ! The mids are the most important but if you can have both you gotta grab it . The Nomex drivers sound like paper in the mids and do the bottom end like more conventional drives . This new Satori 7.5 inch has the big advantage of superb TS specs that predict an awesome bottom end and yet we also have a superb paper diaphragm ! WT ! This normally does not happen Lads ! I must admit to being a little sceptical , but we shall see . I'm still completing the kit speaker project at the moment but as soon as I'm finished I'm into it . Cheers. Mike Lenehan To add to above importantly it has much lower VC inductance than Peerless, 0.2mH versus 1.4mH . They've obviously paid a lot of attention to the motor design. The real benefit of this is lower inductance modulation over the travel of driver. This inductance modulation plays havoc with your xover. Should be very clean in midrange and upper MR. People usually look at cone weight etc as indication of clean extended response but VC inductance is a real factor. Keep us posted Mike. - So, how do you get real bass out of such a small driver - I wonder what it's power handling is compared to Peerless. 1
Lenehan Audio Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 5 hours ago, zenelectro said: To add to above importantly it has much lower VC inductance than Peerless, 0.2mH versus 1.4mH . They've obviously paid a lot of attention to the motor design. The real benefit of this is lower inductance modulation over the travel of driver. This inductance modulation plays havoc with your xover. Should be very clean in midrange and upper MR. People usually look at cone weight etc as indication of clean extended response but VC inductance is a real factor. Keep us posted Mike. - So, how do you get real bass out of such a small driver - I wonder what it's power handling is compared to Peerless. Hi Terry Your right the low. VC inductance is an excellent advantage for Xover design the VC inductance for the ML2 Peerless Nomex is even lower at 0.18Mh . In an 8 mtr long room with around 90 cubic mtr volume I reckon we can get flat down to 35hz and maybe a bit lower . Cheers Mike 1
Rob181 Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 44 minutes ago, Lenehan Audio said: the VC inductance for the ML2 Peerless Nomex is even lower at 0.18Mh . That may confuse some Mike... Terry was comparing the ML3 Peerless with the Satori... And now you are comparing a different Peerless used in the ML2... Please can we stay with ML3/5 comparisons... Apples with apples my good man...
Darren69 Posted November 10, 2017 Posted November 10, 2017 ML5's in da house. Was a nice day up to the Goldie and back, was nice to meet @TerryO and @Gambit , natures gentleman, both. Enjoyed some Mexican with Mike for lunch and allowed myself a lunch time Stone & Wood Pacific Ale as a little celebration. Was generally nice to not be at work and to go for a good long solo drive. Everywhere you look up here at the moment, it highway upgrade! And only 30 or 40 years in the making, haha. Massive cranes or piling borers sticking up along the horizon signalling another bridge going across somewhere, geez they don't muck around these days. There needs to be more ML5's out in the world. Once you hear them, you'll have to have them. They are the most easy listening naturl sounding speakers I have ever heard and now I have a shiny black pair of Reference level ML5's in my humble little loungeroom. ...and yes Mike, the bass build up in 'The Pot' got the occasional 'thwack' out of the woofer, a nice little effect as I know the speaker is telling me, 'hey Daz, that's it mate', haha. Will position them more on Sunday, got the son here with me at the moment. 2
Darren69 Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Mike, thank you. Bernard Fanning is currently pouring his heart out in my lounge room. Your speakers do the human voice and emotion like nothing I have ever heard. For me, as a first-and-foremost lover of music and the poetry, this is heaven sent. Just beautiful. Thank you. 3 1 1
awayward Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 6 minutes ago, Darren69 said: Mike, thank you. Bernard Fanning is currently pouring his heart out in my lounge room. Your speakers do the human voice and emotion like nothing I have ever heard. For me, as a first-and-foremost lover of music and the poetry, this is heaven sent. Just beautiful. Thank you. Welcome to the Lenehan fanboy club 2
Rob181 Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Darren69 said: Your speakers do the human voice and emotion like nothing I have ever heard. Oi...there's copyright on that... I've been banging the drum about the ML3/5... Midrange - especially human voice - reproduction... For maybe a couple of years now...its why I love ribbon speakers... Nothing beats them for human voice reproduction... The ML5's do a LOT of other things better than most ribbons... Edited November 15, 2017 by Rob181 4
Lenehan Audio Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Thanks Darren It’s the new Seas Exotic tweeter that has allowed the ML5 to shine , particularly in the midrange . Getting a floorstander to do what a mini monitor can do in the mids was quite a trial . The ML3 could certainly do it to a degree but running a grunty 8 inch bass driver over to a 1inch dome was quite a job . The other big advantage is those Duelund Silver bypass caps . I have historically not been an advocate of silver of any kind but these caps definitely improve any speaker we have run them with . Very organic and musical . Go Daz ! And many thanks for the feedback. Regards Mike Lenehan 2
rantan Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Speakers sorted. Any chance of making the website interesting and functional? 3
Lenehan Audio Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Hi rantan It’s bloody awful isn’t it ? We are halfway through the new website build now, so should only be a few weeks.Building most of our product is debilitating time wise ! There’s just myself and my two sons . Maybe I should just have junk built overseas and spend the dough on marketing (AKA legal lying )Sorry I’m on my third glass of 2002 Penfolds Bin 28 and it’s awesome .There’s about 80 man hours in building a pair of ML5Reference over a period of about 6weeks . Not a lot of time mate. Ha Haaa. Mike 5
rantan Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 7 minutes ago, Lenehan Audio said: Hi rantan It’s bloody awful isn’t it ? We are halfway through the new website build now, so should only be a few weeks. Building most of our product is debilitating time wise ! There’s just myself and my two sons . Maybe I should just have junk built overseas and spend the dough on marketing (AKA legal lying ) Sorry I’m on my third glass of 2002 Penfolds Bin 28 and it’s awesome . There’s about 80 man hours in building a pair of ML5Reference over a period of about 6weeks . Not a lot of time mate. Ha Haaa. Mike No problem Mike. Your priorities are spot on. Speaker development 1st 2nd and third, I fully understand your time pressures Cheers 2
Guest Muon N' Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 3 hours ago, Lenehan Audio said: Hi rantan It’s bloody awful isn’t it ? We are halfway through the new website build now, so should only be a few weeks. Building most of our product is debilitating time wise ! There’s just myself and my two sons . Maybe I should just have junk built overseas and spend the dough on marketing (AKA legal lying ) Sorry I’m on my third glass of 2002 Penfolds Bin 28 and it’s awesome . There’s about 80 man hours in building a pair of ML5Reference over a period of about 6weeks . Not a lot of time mate. Ha Haaa. Mike You need more workers, Mike! If you get cracking now you can have more labor in time for the release of the ML-10
Lenehan Audio Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 No Noum You’ve given me an idea ! I can run a sweat shop upstairs in the factory!! A feed a night and $3 per hour [emoji106] any volunteers? Remember you could listen to ML5’s all day ! No overtime though ??♂️ 2
Darren69 Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 9 hours ago, Lenehan Audio said: No Noum You’ve given me an idea ! I can run a sweat shop upstairs in the factory!! A feed a night and $3 per hour any volunteers? Remember you could listen to ML5’s all day ! No overtime though ??♂️ Sure but only if you don't traipse through in that night shirt you like, I need to advise it just isn't quite long enough. @Wongy you should drop in, not sure if you have heard these or not. ;D Daz 1
Rob181 Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 26 minutes ago, Darren69 said: Sure but only if you don't traipse through in that night shirt you like, I need to advise it just isn't quite long enough. Don't look up...don't look down... 1
Celts88 Posted May 16, 2018 Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) Ok Mike, time to give this thread a dust down What have you done to my speakers , I send over a pair of ML3’s for an upgrade (and reference one’s at that) and they come back totally unrecognisable . I keep having to turn down the music (easily 6-8dB less than the ML3’s), and what’s with all the other sounds in the music that wasn’t there with my ML3’s – how did you manage to throw in all those extra notes (magic dust I suppose ). The bass is much cleaner (did you do a bit of spring cleaning on the Woofer), and with more weight too. Also with guitars, pianos, violins, etc. who knows how you managed to add a couple of extra strings to each instrument (now that really is clever) Sorry to be a bit rude, but the phrase “**** in **** out” was never so true with these ML5’s – whatever you put through them they spit it out with a vengeance (be that good or bad). If you want to hear how good (or bad) your system is then get a pair of ML5’s . Whatever magic dust you sprinkled on these baby’s you better start making some more as they’re bloody addictive . I’ve never heard a pair of speakers like them - Mike, you keep making speakers better and better, I really haven’t got a bloody clue where it will all end (sorry for keep saying bloody, but that’s what these speakers do to me ). I’m no good at spelling out all the nuances of what different sounds these speakers can produce, but I can say it sounds bloody good (there I go again with that word). Another thing that stands out to me (except for all the extra sounds I never knew were in my recordings) is that they’re sharp as a tack and stop on a sixpence (dime) . Only 2 words to say mate - BLOODY RIPPER!!!!!!!!! Cheers John PS I'll write a more "Audiophile" (had to google how to spell that) write up later, but a few photos of the new ML5's in my humble abode. Edited May 16, 2018 by Celts88 6 1
Celts88 Posted May 16, 2018 Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) SEAS Exotic T35 X3-06, with Alnico Magnet, but Mike has changed over the faceplate to a new Copper Plate he's just started doing (Mike can explain the theory behind it). SEAS Exotic T35-X3-06 Tweeter As an aside my wife knows nothing about Hi-Fi, and doesn't want to, but this is the first thing she noticed when the ML5's arrived. She said she loves the look of my new ML5's (number 1 because of the Copper Faceplate and 2nd she likes the Spring Footers). Tweeters before faceplate change: Tweeters with Copper faceplate change: Edited May 16, 2018 by Celts88 2
Lenehan Audio Posted May 16, 2018 Posted May 16, 2018 Hi John. Many thanks for the great review ! I’ll go into a few of the improvements below 1. You hadn’t mentioned this ! Both woofer and tweeter have had their cheap brass male spade terminals replaced with pure copper tube .In the case of the Seas T35 tweeter (already the worlds best I believe) the voice coil wire itself is crimped directly into the copper tube (no signal loss here compared to solder) see first pic . In the second pic you can see the completed new terminal.In the case of the woofer the voice coil tinsel leads are crimped directly into the ends of the copper tubes . Pic 3 shows the original brass spade connectors. Pic 4 shows the tinsel leads directly crimped into the new copper tubes . Pic 5 shows the end product ready for install The driver terminal upgrade alone reduces termination losses significantly and improves detail retrieval to an amazing degree.2. Tweeter Copper faceplate .The standard T35 uses a 130mm 4mm thick aluminum face plate !! It rings slightly (as all standard plates do) this energy reflects forward with a delay causing distortion . The new 6mm pure copper faceplate has significantly reduced ringing due to coppers ability to convert amplitude based distortion to heat instead of amplitude ( better to convert the energy into heat rather than vibration . The new faceplate is not round in shape it’s oval and also much smaller in diameter which means the distortive frequency which is reflected forward is much higher up the frequency spectrum . The oval shape means that what small amount of bad energy that is reflected forward is spread between approximately 4K to 8 k instead of being centralized at around 3k with the standard plate . I’ll stop here I think and continue tonight with the rest of the upgrades . Cheers. Mike Lenehan 4
Darren69 Posted May 17, 2018 Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) Got the sprung footers @Celts88 good one!! Had a huge grin reading your blurb, thanks for sharing, Mike has been sweating over them for some time now so they might need a wipe down and polish. Yes they are head and shoulders above the ML3. Edited May 17, 2018 by Darren69 1
Celts88 Posted May 17, 2018 Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) Before I go any further would like to give a massive Kudos to Craig @rawl99, not only for the work he put in with Mike developing the ML5's, but the assistance he gave me with bouncy info back and forth, especially with the copper connections to the Tweeters & Woofers Mike mentioned above. Without your input Craig I would never have these in my ML5's, and for this and everything else I owe you a huge thanks Not forgetting Bill @bhobba who also helped with lots of questions, and pointed me in the direction of the Jupiter Coppers (not everyone's cup of tea, but each to their own) PS you didn't do too bad a job to Mike @Lenehan Audio Edited May 17, 2018 by Celts88 1
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