atsq Posted January 26 Posted January 26 (edited) Unless negotiated, I usually agree to pick up the fee cost. It does make sense. It's like buying insurance. I am glad that I am not some offbeat idiot asking for PayPal when it wasn't the right thing to do anymore. I thought I was going insane. It is pretty logical that PayPal is the fairest way to do things and even if there is an odd attempted scam buyer who tries to have their product and try to get their money back; it is much harder to scam a proper PayPal deal than for someone to do a bank deposit and be ripped off. Thanks for the confirmation. I will indeed stick to my guns going forward. Edited January 26 by atsq 1
075Congo Posted February 15 Posted February 15 A very nasty scamming technique is currently infesting the Facebook Marketplace in particular. The Facebook Buyer will respond to your advert and insist using PAYID for the purchase. During the course of further emails the Buyer will ask that the price be rounded up from say $300 to a $1000 figure.......some type of PAYID regulation is alluded to.....and the extra $700 will be refunded asap. How stupid can you be....right! Anyway thats the current scam to watch out for. The response from my Bank for my loss was totally negative.......not only would they not investigate the scammer but I was reminded that I voluntarily transferred the $700.The current balance of the Buyers bank account was displayed as $49,000........active mob!! Anyway thats my story. 4
betty boop Posted February 15 Author Posted February 15 1 hour ago, 075Congo said: A very nasty scamming technique is currently infesting the Facebook Marketplace in particular. The Facebook Buyer will respond to your advert and insist using PAYID for the purchase. During the course of further emails the Buyer will ask that the price be rounded up from say $300 to a $1000 figure.......some type of PAYID regulation is alluded to.....and the extra $700 will be refunded asap. How stupid can you be....right! Anyway thats the current scam to watch out for. The response from my Bank for my loss was totally negative.......not only would they not investigate the scammer but I was reminded that I voluntarily transferred the $700.The current balance of the Buyers bank account was displayed as $49,000........active mob!! Anyway thats my story. facebook market place... sadly affords no protection for buyer or seller.. unfortunately the overpayment scam has been used for many forms of electronic payment .. where they even send you a fake payment email showing the fake sum... yep dont be paying anyone for anything they are buying from you... with PayPal.. send them a request to pay.. this recognises as a transaction... for which you are protected for ... they simply respond to the request to pay... 2
cafe67 Posted February 15 Posted February 15 (edited) On 25/1/2025 at 10:38 PM, atsq said: There’s a trend now of sellers treating buyers who want to use PayPal as if they have the plague. More than once this week, I thought I’d done a deal only for it to stall the moment I brought up the dreaded p word. Didn’t always used to be like this. Because buyers have been using PayPal, then claiming they didn’t get the item or it was different/damaged then lodging a BS complaint with PP, who then lock down the sellers money until the matter is resolved , I’d be very hesitant to sell something via PP , without a lot of communication to ensure that the buyer was legit and sincere. Edited February 15 by cafe67 1
rantan Posted February 15 Posted February 15 On 26/01/2025 at 8:29 PM, atsq said: it is much harder to scam a proper PayPal deal than for someone to do a bank deposit and be ripped off. I disagree. As a seller I absolutely will not allow PP for payment unless I know and trust the person or business. Sellers accepting PP can (and often are ) ripped off buy shonky buyers who receive complain to PP that the item was damaged or not even in the box and PP will almost always accept the buyer's word over the seller's. So YES, if you are a buyer it is a good way to be safe, but just remember that both buyers AND sellers can be ( and sometimes are ) dishonest. 4
betty boop Posted February 15 Author Posted February 15 Just now, cafe67 said: Because buyers have been using PayPal, then claiming they didn’t get the item or it was different/damaged then lodging a BS complaint with PP, who then lock down the sellers money until the matter is resolved , I’d be very hesitant to sell something via PP as seller i will only ship ever with signature on delivery.. so cant claim didnt get the item, also take photos of item as packed and also take a photo literally in auspost on the scales never had an issue.. yes however as documented in the guidelines you can have someone still claim not as described just as a seller can send you a box of bricks... thats just the pit falls of buying and selling on line if electronic payment is not for you ... then that just leaves cash and in person... rather than online... go with whats most comfortable... 2
Kaynin Posted February 15 Posted February 15 1 hour ago, rantan said: Sellers accepting PP can (and often are ) ripped off buy shonky buyers who receive complain to PP that the item was damaged or not even in the box and PP will almost always accept the buyer's word over the seller's That’s exactly what happened to me. I sold a perfectly working router, only for the buyer to lodge a complaint directly to PP that it didn’t work. He never contacted me, but told PP he had tried but I ignored him. He said he’d posted it back and wanted a refund, I asked PP for proof of postage which they failed to provide. PP just paid him out - I never received the router. 1
atsq Posted February 15 Posted February 15 Whenever I had to deal with PayPal about a dispute, they seemed to listen and we would collaborate on what was fair and what the expectations was and what the options were and then once PayPal and I had an understanding, the situation would sort itself out. Also as someone with a flawless reputation on sna, headfi, ebay, etc. I don't understand the point of reputation if people still tell me they won't accept paypal from me despite like a perfect record with many hundreds of transactions. There are scammers in this world sure and I've had to deal with some, but they aren't usually SNA members who've been around and traded for over 10 years plus. By this time I start suspecting the seller because what good reason would they have to force me into a position where I would have ZERO power. At least all my dealings with PayPal have resulted in the scammer NOT having the upper hand. I do believe that more precautions might be needed but PayPal is still the fairest way for both parties. I mean think about what you're asking... oh you want my amp? Direct deposit 3 grand. There's no guarantee I won't screw you but do it anyway or I won't entertain you. Totally unreasonable. 2
betty boop Posted February 15 Author Posted February 15 2 minutes ago, atsq said: I do believe that more precautions might be needed but PayPal is still the fairest way for both parties. I mean think about what you're asking... oh you want my amp? Direct deposit 3 grand. There's no guarantee I won't screw you but do it anyway or I won't entertain you. Totally unreasonable. yes direct deposit to a stranger is the most riskiest.. infact you are also passing on bank details to someone.. hello nigerian scammer .. thats all they want is steal your identity.. and you give them your name, address, phone number and bank details ...last thing definitely to do on face book market place over here ? there is heaps of due diligence to be done with someone dont know from bar of soap... this thread goes to some length to help with that.. however what means use to pay will come down to what both parties comfortable with... i have done PayPal, bank deposit.. cash on pick up COD... drop off for cash .. friend picking up with cash.. heck eBay even has a means for doing that safely now ... 2
075Congo Posted February 16 Posted February 16 Lots of excellent advice and caution in the preceding discussion. I think the underlying message is to approach the purchase in a cautious manner. I often create a checklist of issues to stick by throughout the buying process......for example.....pricing of the item (check for lower pricing).......original packaging (and its condition) is available........Seller Communication "style" (if its "off" I'm out of the transaction).......and so it goes. If the transaction feels "odd" keep your emotions on hold and seek to clarify any issues. My buying transactions have been satisfactory but I do take my time to protect my investment. 1
Astrosound Posted March 14 Posted March 14 On 15/02/2025 at 5:48 PM, betty boop said: as seller i will only ship ever with signature on delivery.. so cant claim didnt get the item, also take photos of item as packed and also take a photo literally in auspost on the scales never had an issue.. yes however as documented in the guidelines you can have someone still claim not as described just as a seller can send you a box of bricks... thats just the pit falls of buying and selling on line if electronic payment is not for you ... then that just leaves cash and in person... rather than online... go with whats most comfortable... I have received high value item from Switzerland ( I paid forsending repaired item back to me) and aussie postman counterfeit my signature! Complaint to Australian Post was useless - you cannot do online at all.
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