davewantsmoore Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 On 04/01/2017 at 5:51 AM, roh008 said: They will form but would require a number of reflections from the walls to achieve this. Expand Yes, but that is true no matter where in the room you are sitting.... as by the time one or more wavelengths have passed by your ears, they have already bounced off the walls multiple times.
betty boop Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 speakers especially multi driver ones are voiced to be listed to from a certain distance at a minimum. so the drivers can work tougher for a coherent sound. I cant for the life of me understand with these speakers and scale they are how sitting so close can work to their benefit. and thats without even going into the imaging which have mentioned prior. 1
Guest Eggcup The Daft Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 On 04/01/2017 at 7:40 AM, davewantsmoore said: So, at Kraftwerk, either there wasn't any "stereo" information encoded ..... or it wasn't important (you didn't miss it). Expand There most definitely was stereo and it was noticeable. Both stable, positioned "instruments" and moving effects. With processed sound, I'm not going to dispute your claim of distortion from the side position. But what I did hear was a stable image, which is what we are talking about if using a balance control for such a purpose in a domestic system, and any distortion was not an issue in that environment. There may also have been a sophisticated setup with additional processing and extra speakers, of course.
davewantsmoore Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) On 04/01/2017 at 8:38 AM, Eggcup The Daft said: I'm not going to dispute your claim of distortion from the side position. Expand The third possibility is there wasn't any response difference between the L and R ... and so standing in either position was similar. The point is that "image", and most of the other things we enjoy about 2 or more channels .... is provided by encoded differences in the channels .... and so any difference inherent to each channel (ie. which isn't in the signal) harms the SQ. Your experience doesn't change that fact. EDIT: which is why EQ like a balance control is essential - differences in level between L and R is gross distortion. Edited January 4, 2017 by davewantsmoore
Darren69 Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 @GAM are the lads going to come around and have a GTG/set up sort of thingy? It would be interesting to hear back from those in attendance and yourself of course. Yes, such a shame you cant find a bigger area, that system is bloody mega.
Atjan Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 I must agree with the posters who mentioned that sitting so close to big multi-driver speakers looses more of the sound than is gained. At a very close distance like that, the sound from the various drivers have not integrated into a 'whole' and one would tend to hear certain frequency bands more pronounced than others. That in itself can lead to auditory issues that could be perceived as problematic. For instance an instrument that playes a higher note and then a lower one will seem to drop away due to the position of the speaker drivers. Further to the issue of not being able to hear a sound that was not 'fully formed': I bring the case of headphones and ear channel monitors, and leave it at that.
Phil G Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 On 04/01/2017 at 6:34 AM, GAM said: Once I was looking for new speaker and by chance I bumped into DYNAUDIO evidence temptation in KLAPP audio video in Melbourne. They were being driven by vitus integreted Ri 100 and that was the most amazing sound I have heard . So much realism and my test CD which I have always used to test system , I was looking around the whole room as I was chasing the sounds around , so real as if someone is there and I could not stop smiling. So I know if the things are right these speakers can sound incredible. Expand When hearing the memorable experience at Klapp I'd hazard to guess that they were set up very different to how you are attempting to enjoy them. It seems you have some idea/belief on how you want to arrange your system that is at odds with your speakers construction & design. There is lots of helpful advice already in this thread. My advice is to set the speakers as the designer intended (refer to their manual) or move them on and get more suitable speakers designed for near field listening. 3
Chill3 Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) Agree 100% with Phil G - think about it, the distance between the top bottom speakers drivers would be more than you sitting from the tweeter ! how can that possibly integrate ? the time signatures will be all over the place ( in a very bad way ) It looks like the room may well be to small for the speakers - do you have any other - bigger rooms you could try on a temp basis ? My bet, in that room, would be if you swapped for some Dynaudio Confidence C1s or perhaps C2's and positioned them more conventionally you would get much better result ( and save a bit of cash !) Edited January 5, 2017 by Chill3 2
twwen2 Posted January 11, 2017 Posted January 11, 2017 On 04/01/2017 at 7:49 AM, :) al said: I cant for the life of me understand with these speakers and scale they are how sitting so close can work to their benefit. Expand +1 The setup shown in the photos is ludicrous. Those big Dyns need to be pushed right back towards the wall; I'd have them level with the front of the equipment rack to start with. And go easy with the toe-in; in my experience with Dynaudio speakers they sound best firing straight ahead without any toe-in whatsoever. IMHO, your room is also far, far too small for speakers of that size. A pair of large standmount speakers would be more appropriate, and I think you'd find them to sound more coherent as well. 1
Keith_W Posted January 11, 2017 Posted January 11, 2017 On 11/01/2017 at 12:45 AM, twwen2 said: IMHO, your room is also far, far too small for speakers of that size. A pair of large standmount speakers would be more appropriate, and I think you'd find them to sound more coherent as well. Expand It isn't. It's actually a decent sized room. 1
GAM Posted January 11, 2017 Author Posted January 11, 2017 I really appreciate all the input.I know it seems odd and even last night again I pushed them back next to the racks and lost all the energy ,soul,intimacy and emotion out of it.Well they are NOW not as close as before and I have placed them IN FRONT of me now ,still close but the sound energy ,the presence is exciting .I have also kind of figured out how to get the lob sided soundstage sorted out.I find if the toe in is MORE then I have to push the the left hand speaker more BACK(toward the front wall)and when the toe in is less then the LHS don't have to be position as Back as wth greater toe in and the sound stage can be reasonably balanced if not ideal.It's still going but last night I was very happy.Yesterday I also got another toy PAD DOMINUS Luminist PC.Thanks again for such support and advise.I will post some pics tonight .Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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