JSmith Posted February 14, 2017 Posted February 14, 2017 Acoustic room treatments IMO will improve any system above and beyond what any cable change may make... JSmith 3
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted February 14, 2017 Posted February 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, Soundwise said: It's Ok if you don't share my sense of humor. Will @steve u 's test change your mind about audiophile power cables? No. Because I already know what the results will be. You forget: I have already performed many power cable tests, using people who believed that power cables did make a difference. At no time was any listener ever able to hear a difference between some highly rated (and expensive) power cables and a standard, Australian approved one.
joz Posted February 14, 2017 Posted February 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, JSmith said: Acoustic room treatments IMO will improve any system above and beyond what any cable change may make... JSmith I agree 100%, but let's let the cable thing play out here as that's the debate here.
Soundwise Posted February 14, 2017 Posted February 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, JSmith said: Acoustic room treatments IMO will improve any system above and beyond what any cable change may make... JSmith Agree. I always suggest to people audiophile power cords should be the last upgrade after, source, tubes, caps, interconnects, speaker cables, speaker placement etc. It's a bit like icing on your cake and takes your system to another level. If you don't do the other improvements you probably won't be able to hear the difference between different power cables anyway.
Soundwise Posted February 14, 2017 Posted February 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: No. Because I already know what the results will be. You forget: I have already performed many power cable tests, using people who believed that power cables did make a difference. At no time was any listener ever able to hear a difference between some highly rated (and expensive) power cables and a standard, Australian approved one. I know what the result will be as well Care to bet?
Soundwise Posted February 14, 2017 Posted February 14, 2017 If @Zaphod Beeblebrox already knows the outcome of @steve u test then what will @steve u achieve out of the test? I'm sure @steve u has already hear the differences in his system many times.
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted February 14, 2017 Posted February 14, 2017 Just now, Soundwise said: I know what the result will be as well Care to bet? Sure. Come up to Sydney, I will conduct the test on you, with your choice of fancy cable. Think on this: Here is a complete list of frequencies that must be effectively handled by mains power cables: 50Hz.
Soundwise Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 7 minutes ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: No. Because I already know what the results will be. You forget: I have already performed many power cable tests, using people who believed that power cables did make a difference. At no time was any listener ever able to hear a difference between some highly rated (and expensive) power cables and a standard, Australian approved one. Australian approval has nothing to do with sound quality of power cables, They are two different issues.
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, Soundwise said: Australian approval has nothing to do with sound quality of power cables, They are two different issues. Australian approval ensures that the cable is properly constructed and safe to use. I've seen a number of non-approved cables which employ very poor construction techniques.
Soundwise Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: Sure. Come up to Sydney, I will conduct the test on you, with your choice of fancy cable. Think on this: Here is a complete list of frequencies that must be effectively handled by mains power cables: 50Hz. I don't have a Nordost Odin, but you are welcome to test in my system next time you're down in melb, I'll shout wine and food.
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, Soundwise said: I don't have a Nordost Odin, but you are welcome to test in my system next time you're down in melb, I'll shout wine and food. Unless you have the same equipment I have, then I see little point. I can hot-swap power cables on my amplifier (ie: without switching off and without interruption to the music). Can you?
Soundwise Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: Unless you have the same equipment I have, then I see little point. I can hot-swap power cables on my amplifier (ie: without switching off and without interruption to the music). Can you? Maybe we can do both places. I need my esl as they are very revealing.
custom_made Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 If you plan on testing with Klei cables, don't forget that you need to wait for the cable to settle for at least 1hr.... Quote Settling Time: >1hr and preferably >24hrs (once unplugged and replugged) 1
Soundwise Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, custom_made said: If you plan on testing with Klei cables, don't forget that you need to wait for the cable to settle for at least 1hr.... I don't think @Zaphod Beeblebrox is going to buy into that one as it's on 50hz
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, custom_made said: If you plan on testing with Klei cables, don't forget that you need to wait for the cable to settle for at least 1hr.... Why?
Rob181 Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, custom_made said: If you plan on testing with Klei cables, don't forget that you need to wait for the cable to settle for at least 1hr.... Waiting....waiting...waiting...
Rob181 Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, Rob181 said: Waiting....waiting...waiting... Just now, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: Why? Why not...
custom_made Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: Why? I don't know why. The quote is the recommendation on their website.
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, custom_made said: I don't know why. The quote is the recommendation on their website. Such a ludicrous demand requires an explanation. Has anyone asked?
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, Rob181 said: Why not... There is no logical, technical or valid reason for such a demand on a power cable. Unless the manufacturer can provide a solid technical explanation, I would ignore such advice out of hand. I place it in the same category as astrology, numerology and Bach flower remedies. 4
Rob181 Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: There is no logical, technical or valid reason for such a demand on a power cable. Unless the manufacturer can provide a solid technical explanation, I would ignore such advice out of hand. I place it in the same category as astrology, numerology and Bach flower remedies. You would...have you ever actually tried it...
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, Rob181 said: You would...have you ever actually tried it... Nope. And after reading the misleading information attached to their site, I doubt I ever will. 2
rantan Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 19 minutes ago, custom_made said: If you plan on testing with Klei cables, don't forget that you need to wait for the cable to settle for at least 1hr.... If this is actually true then their cables must be faulty. It is the most ridiculous thing I have seen. Just one more reason why I would never deal with KLEI again. 3
Rob181 Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 15 minutes ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: Nope. And after reading the misleading information attached to their site, I doubt I ever will. Then as much as I respect your skill set (& I do)...your credibility & comments on this issue are null & void... 10 minutes ago, rantan said: If this is actually true then their cables must be faulty. It is the most ridiculous thing I have seen. Just one more reason why I would never deal with KLEI again. Your credibility & comments on this issue are null & void....
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, Rob181 said: Then as much as I respect your skill set (& I do)...your credibility & comments on this issue are null & void... So, my blind tests on power cables are invalid, because the results don't agree with your belief system? Is that your point? Just now, Rob181 said: Your credibility & comments on this issue are null & void.... The cable operates at 50Hz (sine wave). Nothing more, nothing less. Speaker cables operate over a very wide range of frequencies and variable and varying impedances. Considerable evidence, along with rigorous double blind tests show that such cables do sound different. Mains power cables operate with 50Hz sine waves. Nothing more, nothing less. I have never seen any rigorous double blind tests that have been performed on mains power cables. I wonder why?* *I don't really wonder why. I know exactly why. 3
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