steve u Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 Synergistic Research, Cardas, Skogrand and many others all advocate settling time for cables. For the purposes of my test I thought I would burn a 6-8 track evaluation CD, with various styles and recording quality and just play it for each cable and maybe go back to a track or two that "could" highlight a difference. About 30 minutes of settling time would be the most my patience would stretch, for a possible 6-8 cable changes. And the lab assistants patience isn't as flexible as mine.
Rob181 Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) ... Edited February 15, 2017 by Rob181
Rob181 Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 17 minutes ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: So, my blind tests on power cables are invalid, because the results don't agree with your belief system? Is that your point? The cable operates at 50Hz (sine wave). Nothing more, nothing less. Speaker cables operate over a very wide range of frequencies and variable and varying impedances. Considerable evidence, along with rigorous double blind tests show that such cables do sound different. Mains power cables operate with 50Hz sine waves. Nothing more, nothing less. I have never seen any rigorous double blind tests that have been performed on mains power cables. I wonder why?* *I don't really wonder why. I know exactly why. 1. If your "blind" tests hot swapped cables then listened for 5 minutes or so...then in this instance...yes that is exactly what I am saying... 2. My belief system is not relevant...my experience/s are... 3. I don't need a lecture on the scientific reasons why not...I know them... 4. Unless/until you are willing "to park" your deep held belief/s & trial an alternative with an open mind then I don't care if you have a PHD in Electronics...your comments in relation to a cable "sounding better after 1 hour of playing" are null & void...
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, Rob181 said: 1. If your "blind" tests hot swapped cables then listened for 5 minutes or so...then in this instance...yes that is exactly what I am saying... The tests I have performed allowed the cables to remain untouched from several seconds to several days. Just now, Rob181 said: 2. My belief system is not relevant...my experience/s are... 3. I don't need a lecture on the scientific reasons why not...I know them... 4. Unless/until you are willing "to park" your deep held belief/s & trial an alternative with an open mind then I don't care if you have a PHD in Electronics...your comments in relation to a cable "sounding better after 1 hour of playing" are null & void... I need, we all need, to know why a manufacturer suggests that a product requires a warm-up period. 1
Rob181 Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 Why...does everything in life have to have a scientific reason to be valid... 1
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Rob181 said: Why...does everything in life have to have a scientific reason to be valid... Because every observed phenomena has a possible explanation. Without such an explanation, we have mysticism. If humans accepted the observed phenomena as mystery, we'd all be still living in caves. Edited February 15, 2017 by Zaphod Beeblebrox
tesla13BMW Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: Because every observed phenomena has a possible explanation. Without such an explanation, we have religion. If humans accepted the observed phenomena as mystery, we'd all be still living in caves. Don't mention Religion or this thread will definitely be closed and I want to hear the reasons.
Juicester Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: Because every observed phenomena has a possible explanation. Without such an explanation, we have religion. If humans accepted the observed phenomena as mystery, we'd all be still living in caves. "possible explanation" doesn't necessarily equate to fact.
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, Juicester said: "possible explanation" doesn't necessarily equate to fact. I chose my words with some care, as there have always been mysteries for humans to uncover. From the structure of the atom to the structure of the universe, allowing mysteries to remain un-investigated is the antithesis to human endeavour.
rantan Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Juicester said: "possible explanation" doesn't necessarily equate to fact. The fact that an explanation is possible does not diminish its ability to be fact. Edited February 15, 2017 by rantan 2
JSmith Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 1 hour ago, custom_made said: If you plan on testing with Klei cables, don't forget that you need to wait for the cable to settle for at least 1hr.... Now that was f****** trippy... JSmith 2
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted February 15, 2017 Volunteer Posted February 15, 2017 13 minutes ago, Rob181 said: Why...does everything in life have to have a scientific reason to be valid... It doesnt. Alternative facts will do just fine. 4
Rob181 Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: Because every observed phenomena has a possible explanation. A significant number of scientific discoveries would never had been made had mankind held rigidly to the known scientific knowledge (and/or observed phenomena) as it was at...or prior to...said discovery being made... Therefore... Until you can genuinely state that you have trialed letting cables "settle for an hour" then have heard no discernible difference...you cannot state that it is not true...
Rob181 Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Sir Sanders Zingmore said: It doesnt. Alternative facts will do just fine. Just ask Trump's entourage...
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, Rob181 said: A significant number of scientific discoveries would never had been made had mankind held rigidly to the known scientific knowledge (and/or observed phenomena) as it was at...or prior to...said discovery being made... Therefore... Until you can genuinely state that you have trialed letting cables "settle for an hour" then have heard no discernible difference...you cannot state that it is not true... Already stated. I have allowed mains power cables to settle for as much as a week. No differences detected.
Guest m_james Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 There are no facts at all, only appearances. We cannot know what the world is in the absence of a knowing observer.
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted February 15, 2017 Volunteer Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, Rob181 said: Just ask Trump's entourage... My point exactly. Btw with these klei cables, what do they sound like before they've settled in?
Rob181 Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: Already stated. I have allowed mains power cables to settle for as much as a week. No differences detected. When...& what...
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted February 15, 2017 Volunteer Posted February 15, 2017 1 minute ago, m_james said: There are no facts at all, only appearances. We cannot know what the world is in the absence of a knowing observer. You say that as if it's a fact 1
Rob181 Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, Sir Sanders Zingmore said: My point exactly. Btw with these klei cables, what do they sound like before they've settled in? Oh that is easy..."cold & sterile"...why...cause they hadn't warmed up of course...
rantan Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Sir Sanders Zingmore said: My point exactly. Btw with these klei cables, what do they sound like before they've settled in? Probably like a $6 cord from Jaycar. Then miraculously, after settling in they are suddenly worth $500 2
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted February 15, 2017 Volunteer Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Rob181 said: Oh that is easy..."cold & sterile"...why...cause they hadn't warmed up of course... So it should still be easy to tell them apart from bog standard bunnings cords, right ? Edited February 15, 2017 by Sir Sanders Zingmore
steve u Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 I'm just wondering if hearing differences in cables could be like noticing cork taint in wine. Some people are just more susceptible to variation. Cork taint can be picked up by people who are sensitive to it at 2-5 drops in an Olympic swimming pool. That's not much but some people pick up on it and others don't. Could it be that people that don't perceive a difference to a cable change just not feel it, or hear it. Could they be drinking the corked wine and still loving it? I have heard cable changes, but I want to rig up this unsighted trial just to see if I do pick up on some differences. I've tasted wine blind, but never cables. 1
Guest Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 Stay on topic guys. I've just removed the analogy to sperm, which was completely off topic! 2
JSmith Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 People using overseas power cables that are modified DIY to put on an Aussie plug... be careful as these are not certified under Aust. regulations and so if a fire was to occur, insurance may become an issue. JSmith 1
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