steve u Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 It amazes me a little. We have an Australian manufacturer that is working as hard as he can to produce the best cable that he can and you have people that sign up to this site just to vindictively tear him down. People like that probably say more about themselves and who they are associated with, than what they are actually commenting on. I have bought a number of KLEI cables at retail prices because they do the job better than any other cable that I have found. I have tried Atlas, Chord, DH Labs, ETI, Lenahan, Nordost, Chinese clones and KLEI, I have selected the KLEI cables, because they deliver and out perform all others, at the right price point for me. I agree they are not the same as similarly spec'd, similar looking cables or plugs that you can source from China or the UK. I haven't met anyone as passionate and as knowledgeable as KL in the field of system tuning and cable development. He works tirelessly to produce the best sounding cables that he can and he delivers. He is very generous with his time and experience to fine tune a system. And he is a friend of mine. He delivers almost too well as people that listen to his cables question and often say, how can this guy do "it" without the price tags of the super high end stuff and without all that NASA space shuttle and pacemaker wire marketing hype? I'm sure people here can try and build a Valhalla, or an Odin or an Absolute Dream or a Purity888, good luck to them, but would they even get close? I don't understand the science of KLEI cables, but I like what I hear in my system and it demonstrates the difference that good cables can make. Have a listen, come and listen, the proof is where your ears are at. The OP heard it. I heard it.... and I doubt anyone can prove otherwise. 1
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted February 11, 2017 Volunteer Posted February 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, steve u said: It amazes me a little. We have an Australian manufacturer that is working as hard as he can to produce the best cable that he can and you have people that sign up to this site just to vindictively tear him down. People like that probably say more about themselves and who they are associated with, than what they are actually commenting on. I have bought a number of KLEI cables at retail prices because they do the job better than any other cable that I have found. I have tried Atlas, Chord, DH Labs, ETI, Lenahan, Nordost, Chinese clones and KLEI, I have selected the KLEI cables, because they deliver and out perform all others, at the right price point for me. I agree they are not the same as similarly spec'd, similar looking cables or plugs that you can source from China or the UK. I haven't met anyone as passionate and as knowledgeable as KL in the field of system tuning and cable development. He works tirelessly to produce the best sounding cables that he can and he delivers. He is very generous with his time and experience to fine tune a system. And he is a friend of mine. He delivers almost too well as people that listen to his cables question and often say, how can this guy do "it" without the price tags of the super high end stuff and without all that NASA space shuttle and pacemaker wire marketing hype? I'm sure people here can try and build a Valhalla, or an Odin or an Absolute Dream or a Purity888, good luck to them, but would they even get close? I don't understand the science of KLEI cables, but I like what I hear in my system and it demonstrates the difference that good cables can make. Have a listen, come and listen, the proof is where your ears are at. The OP heard it. I heard it.... and I doubt anyone can prove otherwise. Surely it isn't vindictive to ask whether a cable is compliant. If it's something else you're talking about then apologies. TBH I've found this thread a bit confusing so I may well have missed something else 5
steve u Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 18 minutes ago, Sir Sanders Zingmore said: Surely it isn't vindictive to ask whether a cable is compliant. If it's something else you're talking about then apologies. TBH I've found this thread a bit confusing so I may well have missed something else Sir Z, I wouldn't expect so from someone with your post count and insight. And it may be an issue with more cables than those just highlighted here.
JohnL Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 14 hours ago, hedalfa said: If Aust made products stake up against others, why nott support local out money into the local economy. Feel free disagree , its just it is factor not often mentioned. I am glad we still have some retailers and manufacturers here. Very happy to support local gear that "stakes" up well against others!!...........LOL Love my ME amps and Whatmough speakers........... But if it doesn't stack up well then I ain't buyin it regardless!!!
JohnL Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, steve u said: It amazes me a little. We have an Australian manufacturer that is working as hard as he can to produce the best cable that he can and you have people that sign up to this site just to vindictively tear him down. People like that probably say more about themselves and who they are associated with, than what they are actually commenting on. I have bought a number of KLEI cables at retail prices because they do the job better than any other cable that I have found. I have tried Atlas, Chord, DH Labs, ETI, Lenahan, Nordost, Chinese clones and KLEI, I have selected the KLEI cables, because they deliver and out perform all others, at the right price point for me. I agree they are not the same as similarly spec'd, similar looking cables or plugs that you can source from China or the UK. I haven't met anyone as passionate and as knowledgeable as KL in the field of system tuning and cable development. He works tirelessly to produce the best sounding cables that he can and he delivers. He is very generous with his time and experience to fine tune a system. And he is a friend of mine. He delivers almost too well as people that listen to his cables question and often say, how can this guy do "it" without the price tags of the super high end stuff and without all that NASA space shuttle and pacemaker wire marketing hype? I'm sure people here can try and build a Valhalla, or an Odin or an Absolute Dream or a Purity888, good luck to them, but would they even get close? I don't understand the science of KLEI cables, but I like what I hear in my system and it demonstrates the difference that good cables can make. Have a listen, come and listen, the proof is where your ears are at. The OP heard it. I heard it.... and I doubt anyone can prove otherwise. ALL others at a specific price point?? Only the ones you mentioned........... That still leaves a stack out there (including my Japanese Acrolinks) that you haven't tried which could well be even better. Anyway.......my only concern regarding the KLEI's is the apparent connector quality. Obviously overall sonic performance is paramount but surely using a decent connector with copper conductors as a minimum can only help. If KL is not prepared to offer the cable unterminated for DIY'ers ............it would be nice if he at least gave the Buyer some connector options which could be factored into the price.........which does seem a tad high considering the connectors used appear to be of very cheap Chinese origin. As he is a friend of yours it would be great if you could ask him to set things straight as I and others are intrigued by the OP's findings and hope they are indeed reproducible in our own systems. Edited February 11, 2017 by JohnL
JohnL Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, rocky500 said: I doubt it is the same. You can deal direct with Sean and get it a bit cheaper than on ebay. LINK I am in talks to buy some with his Silver plated IEC's and Aussie plugs. The problem again is it is not certified for use use here In Australia. To me that is not a problem at all. Couldn't give a fig and wonder what all the technical fuss is about. I can understand some people having misgivings re potential insurance issues though. TBH my friends and I have been using various imported power cables for YEARS...........and with a variety of U.S. plugs and power conditioners too. NEVER EVER HAD A SINGLE ISSUE...............apart from getting clearly better sound of course!!!!...........LOL Edited February 11, 2017 by JohnL 2
hedalfa Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 4 hours ago, JohnL said: Very happy to support local gear that "stakes" up well against others!!...........LOL Love my ME amps and Whatmough speakers........... But if it doesn't stack up well then I ain't buyin it regardless!!! That's fair enough.......... 2
hedalfa Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 15 hours ago, Weka said: I would be asking the seller whether those Chinese made mains connectors are certified for use in Australia before handing over any money. Domestic 3 pin mains plugs are deemed High Risk Articles and have to be certified to AU/NZS 3112 before they can be legally sold.. Sure if that is important to you this is a question that applies to all cables, not just this one.
steve u Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 4 hours ago, JohnL said: ALL others at a specific price point?? Only the ones you mentioned........... That still leaves a stack out there (including my Japanese Acrolinks) that you haven't tried which could well be even better. Precisely, there could be many others out there that are "better", I can only comment on what I have tried and what worked "for me". And I agree good connectors would surely "help". As far as the commercial decision on how to bring a product to market, that is up to that business, whether it is a cable company, a speaker company or how a baker sells his bread. And it is understandable that some business's would like to protect their IP and others choose to make all parts available to everyone. As a friend, I wouldn't ask and if I did, I don't think he would tell me. And that wouldn't worry me. I haven't known the provenance of any part of any cable that I have purchased.
Weka Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 9 hours ago, rocky500 said: You could always buy this cable as it looks like a good one. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=182430458119 That's just common SY type cable as manufactured by LAPP, Belden, etc and is readily available off the shelf in Aus and NZ. Better to use the CY type cable that has a tinned copper braid shield rather than the SY steel braid.
POV Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) Hilarious thread. Someone posts a thread entitled 'shootout' then folks start getting upset when questions are asked about methodology. And as for the Australian Certification issue, can dismiss as not required as much as you like but the standards exist for a reason, and low quality mains connectors have been the cause of a great many house fires. Edited February 12, 2017 by POV 3
Rob181 Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 1 hour ago, POV said: low quality mains connectors have been the cause of a great many house fires. How many of the "low quality" mains connectors where after market HiFi cables... 1
POV Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Rob181 said: How many of the "low quality" mains connectors where after market HiFi cables... I have no idea. I'm not sure how detailed the data is post house fire investigation but it may well be available if it interests you. I'm relatively certain that fire doesn't discriminate between uses of power cables.
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted February 12, 2017 Volunteer Posted February 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Rob181 said: How many of the "low quality" mains connectors where after market HiFi cables... 4.37% 2
Soundwise Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 Agree with Steve u, KL is a brilliant Australian designer who makes some great sounding products and deserves to be supported as much as possible. My personal opinion is that if a product has certification it gets an extra tick of approval but won't stop me from buying and trying non certified ones. It's really up to the individual to decide if a product has been manufactured by a qualified individual or company and buy and use accordingly. If one wants to be pedantic about certification, how many items sold on the Stereonet classifieds have Australian Approval and how many do not? Just courious 1
rocky500 Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, Soundwise said: Agree with Steve u, KL is a brilliant Australian designer who makes some great sounding products and deserves to be supported as much as possible. My personal opinion is that if a product has certification it gets an extra tick of approval but won't stop me from buying and trying non certified ones. It's really up to the individual to decide if a product has been manufactured by a qualified individual or company and buy and use accordingly. If one wants to be pedantic about certification, how many items sold on the Stereonet classifieds have Australian Approval and how many do not? Just courious Just because something else might not have been approved, even here on SNA, does not mean a Re-seller/manufacturer should do the same. I think a lot of retail shops stop selling unapproved power cables a while back. The normal shopper might not know of these Australian approval certificates and take it for granted that a shop would look after them and only sell the correct certified power cables. At least if we know they have not passed Australian safety standards, we can all then make our own buying decisions on that. 2
Soundwise Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 I don't believe the KLEI power connector has Australian approval otherwise it would say so on their website. No one from KLEI has provided an approval number like this one from Furutech. http://www.avgallery.com.au/shop/parts/connectors/ac-power/fi-au3112/ 1
Soundwise Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 Not sure if my Nordost power cable has approval either but I'm still enjoy it and the KLEI as well
davewantsmoore Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Soundwise said: It's really up to the individual to decide if a product has been manufactured by a qualified individual or company and buy and use accordingly. The whole point of compliance with mandatory standards, is that the individual is rarely able to accurately do this. Quote If one wants to be pedantic about certification, how many items sold on the Stereonet classifieds have Australian Approval and how many do not? Just courious Laws in each state are (or were) different-ish, but mostly don't apply to second hand items sold by individuals. Edited February 12, 2017 by davewantsmoore 2
Rob181 Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 1 hour ago, POV said: I have no idea. I'm not sure how detailed the data is post house fire investigation but it may well be available if it interests you. I'm relatively certain that fire doesn't discriminate between uses of power cables. Nor will fire discriminate between certified or otherwise...
davewantsmoore Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 46 minutes ago, Soundwise said: I don't believe the KLEI power connector has Australian approval That's a brave move on their part (criminal law applies)
Guest BobbyD Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 These threads get so off topic so easily, good luck to the OP
rocky500 Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) I just think people need to be aware if they are buying something that is potentially illegal to use in Australia. No matter how good it sounds, each person can then way up the pro/cons of that item and if they are prepared to take the risk (however small) that could eventuate. My mate was keen to buy one from reading the reviews unknown to the fact that it may be illegal to use. He was under the assumption that if he buys it from a reputable business then it is safe and certified to use in Australia. This came out after that USB charger incident. http://www.esv.vic.gov.au/Portals/0/Alerts-and-Recalls/usb2.htm Edited February 12, 2017 by rocky500
POV Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, SETSergio said: These threads get so off topic so easily, good luck to the OP I honestly don't know why people get so stressed about threads going off topic. Some of the best threads both here and on DTV have been miles off topic. Just like conversations threads take on their own life and I dunno, seems like it's not the end of the world when they do? 3
POV Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Rob181 said: Nor will fire discriminate between certified or otherwise... Strange comment!? The point of the standard is to provide a level of governance on electrical product safety. The certification gives you confidence that the products design, manufacturing, and testing is suitable to operate within its design envelope on our mains circuits. Without it you have no means of doing this and unless you are an electrical engineer this is not something one can just review and decide for themselves imho.
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