Guest BobbyD Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 1 hour ago, POV said: I honestly don't know why people get so stressed about threads going off topic. Some of the best threads both here and on DTV have been miles off topic. Just like conversations threads take on their own life and I dunno, seems like it's not the end of the world when they do? As promised a while back finally finished a shoot out of a dozen or so Aust. Plug Audiophile Power Cables. No involvement with any company, and as always completely unbiased. Here are my findings: LETS STAY ON TOPIC NOW. No stress from my part, just empathy to the OP..............
davewantsmoore Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 2 hours ago, rocky500 said: I just think people need to be aware if they are buying something that is potentially illegal to use in Australia. indeed. "Most people" (average ordinary consumers - ie. nobody on this site) don't know there are rules, and wouldn't know how to work out whether or not a product complies .... this is part of the reason why compliance is a criminal issue (as in other sectors/industries). 37 minutes ago, POV said: Strange comment!? I thought so.
davewantsmoore Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 38 minutes ago, SETSergio said: Here are my findings: I was told not to discuss the findings... so we have to find something else to bang on about, I guess. 3
rantan Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 39 minutes ago, SETSergio said: As promised a while back finally finished a shoot out of a dozen or so Aust. Plug Audiophile Power Cables. No involvement with any company, and as always completely unbiased. Here are my findings: LETS STAY ON TOPIC NOW. No stress from my part, just empathy to the OP.............. Nah. A little bit of deviance is healthy and all in good fun. Threads are living entities, that continually evolve, just like an actual verbal conversation does 3
POV Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 2 hours ago, SETSergio said: As promised a while back finally finished a shoot out of a dozen or so Aust. Plug Audiophile Power Cables. No involvement with any company, and as always completely unbiased. Here are my findings: LETS STAY ON TOPIC NOW. No stress from my part, just empathy to the OP.............. Interesting. How can you say that this was completely unbiased?
steve u Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 12 minutes ago, POV said: Interesting. How can you say that this was completely unbiased? I think his comment was a little tongue in cheek and he's just enjoying the experience and sharing his findings. A great attitude. 4
Soundwise Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 6 hours ago, davewantsmoore said: The whole point of compliance with mandatory standards, is that the individual is rarely able to accurately do this. @davewantsmooreTell me something useful for once. As a consumer I have the right to buy whatever I want. Why don't you do some research and provide me with names of aftermarket power cables that sound good and have certification? I will buy them and do a shootout 1
davewantsmoore Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 11 minutes ago, Soundwise said: As a consumer I have the right to buy whatever I want. Indeed. I never intended to imply otherwise. I was talking about the seller (being required to sell compliant products). 12 minutes ago, Soundwise said: Why don't you do some research and provide me with names of aftermarket power cables that sound good and have certification? I will buy them and do a shootout I only know of ones which didn't sound any different to 'ordinary ones' .... None of the commercial products were certified in Australia as far as I understand it .... many others were DIY (by me and others, mainly variations on the VH Audio recipes).
Soundwise Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 Like many others,I read this topic because I'm interested in the improvements that power cables can make to my system. I have zero interest in lectures about seller compliance, DBTs a or technical discussions about measurements, None of your comments help me in any shape or form to make my system sound better. I'm better off buying and trying different things on my own. 3
davewantsmoore Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 50 minutes ago, Soundwise said: None of your comments help me in any shape or form to make my system sound better. <shrug> I got different results to what some people (including this thread) has posted. Sorry if that doesn't help you.
Soundwise Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, davewantsmoore said: <shrug> I got different results to what some people (including this thread) has posted. Sorry if that doesn't help you. Why don't you start your own topic about the nil benefits of expensive power cords and post your comments there. Is it too much to ask to leave this topic for people that have heard substantial improvements from power cord upgrades.
davewantsmoore Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 I'm sorry, but I don't see why this thread would only be for people who "have heard substantial improvements from power cord upgrades." The OP said to stay "on-topic". My comment was that I got different results (and then some other banter to others who responded to the thread). 8 minutes ago, Soundwise said: Why don't you start your own topic about the nil benefits of expensive power cords and post your comments there. I'd prefer to discuss the various different results, and how and why they might have been arrived at (that's the interesting part). I'm extremely interested in how a power cord could actually have an effect (ie. the actual mechanisms at play, if any) .... and whether this is real (ie.electrical), or only perceived (ie. it is some element of psychoacoustics - and how and why that might manifest). Understanding both are very relevant to getting good sound (I certainly fall into psychoacoustic traps all the time in the speaker design process). 5
rantan Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 1 minute ago, davewantsmoore said: I'm sorry, but I don't see why this thread would only be for people who "have heard substantial improvements from power cord upgrades." The OP said to stay "on-topic". My comment was that I got different results (and then some other banter to others who responded to the thread). I'd prefer to discuss the various different results, and how and why they might have been arrived at (that's the interesting part). I'm extremely interested in how a power cord could actually have an effect (ie. the actual mechanisms at play, if any) .... and whether this is real (ie.electrical), or only perceived (ie. it is some element of psychoacoustics - and how and why that might manifest). Understanding both are very relevant to getting good sound (I certainly fall into psychoacoustic traps all the time in the speaker design process). Absolutely right. This thread is for discussion by all members with various opinions. I am quite sure there are no rules regarding what opinions may be posted in a particular thread so long as they are not insulting, demeaning or offensive,none of which are evident here 2
Ancientflatulence Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) Lets have a discussion on the various benefits of various religions ............ we may stand a chance of reaching a consensus ............. or not .......... .................... (for those who may have missed it) ........ Edited February 12, 2017 by Ancientflatulence 1
POV Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Soundwise said: None of your comments help me in any shape or form to make my system sound better. I'm better off buying and trying different things on my own. Well...I think the comments that try to open people's minds to the power of conscious and subconscious bias (especially when combined with visual stimulation) could be helpful if people were open to it. Personally I find the 'I know what I can hear and nothing and no one can tell me different' crowd on here to be interesting. Why come to an audio forum, which exists primarily to facilitate discussion between audio enthusiasts with such a fixed mindset? 1
Soundwise Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 Wow, you guys must be listening to mp3! A discussion about whether power cords make a difference is ancient history. We're all past that now. It's about which power cords sound better and where that are used in your system to change the sound. It's also about whether to use conditioning or plug direct or use non filtered power board, they all affect the sound. Even the position of the cord in the power board affects the sound.
POV Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ancientflatulence said: Lets have a discussion on the various benefits of various religions ............ we may stand a chance of reaching a consensus ............. or not .......... .................... (for those who may have missed it) ........ Interesting analogy. I think there are some parallels here between fundamentalist and evolutionary thinking. 1
POV Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Soundwise said: Even the position of the cord in the power board affects the sound. Ah...I see. That is actually possible, and is a result of emi on the voltage rail of the powerboard. This is usually a factor where either very poor quality, or faulty power supplies are employed. I would suggest that you get your equipment checked out by a qualified technician. Also avoid using any two pin (double insulated no earth) equipment on the same board as your audio gear. Australian company Thoroughbred make a sequenced isolator designed to deal with the problem you are experiencing. Edited February 12, 2017 by POV
steve u Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 I think if you spend too much time on this site, or spend too much time reading high end audio magazines or hanging out in hifi shops your hobby is tweaking your system. A better hifi rack, cleaner power or better cables most of us will try anything. Blindfolded would I be able to tell the difference of my gear on a $500 rack or a $2000 rack, I'm sure I couldn't. Expectation bias, price bias, psychoacoustic mumbo jumbo, it doesn't matter. If you can hear it and can afford it and like it, then go for it. Cables have made improvements in my system. But sometimes I think good ear hygiene is more important. 5
Soundwise Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 11 hours ago, POV said: Ah...I see. That is actually possible, and is a result of emi on the voltage rail of the powerboard. This is usually a factor where either very poor quality, or faulty power supplies are employed. I would suggest that you get your equipment checked out by a qualified technician. Also avoid using any two pin (double insulated no earth) equipment on the same board as your audio gear. Australian company Thoroughbred make a sequenced isolator designed to deal with the problem you are experiencing. Thanks @POV for the advice. It's OK if you can't hear subtle differences between different components and configurations, we are all at different levels in this hobby and in this audio journey. Some listen to Wilson Audio WAMM speakers while others are happy to listen to JB HiFi speakers
POV Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, Soundwise said: Thanks @POV for the advice. It's OK if you can't hear subtle differences between different components and configurations, we are all at different levels in this hobby and in this audio journey. Some listen to Wilson Audio WAMM speakers while others are happy to listen to JB HiFi speakers Thanks for letting me know that it's ok. I guess it's also ok for folks to believe in the tooth fairy. 1
rantan Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 17 minutes ago, Soundwise said: Thanks @POV for the advice. It's OK if you can't hear subtle differences between different components and configurations, we are all at different levels in this hobby and in this audio journey. Some listen to Wilson Audio WAMM speakers while others are happy to listen to JB HiFi speakers Since exactly when, did any one require your approval, or your puerile patronising attitude? Trying to defend the indefensible, also shoots numerous holes through your credibility about what level of attainment you appear to have ascribed to those with whom you disagree. If your journey was a vehicle it would presently have 4 flat tyres and no spares Carry on and don't panic 2
Soundwise Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 42 minutes ago, rantan said: Since exactly when, did any one require your approval, or your puerile patronising attitude? Trying to defend the indefensible, also shoots numerous holes through your credibility about what level of attainment you appear to have ascribed to those with whom you disagree. If your journey was a vehicle it would presently have 4 flat tyres and no spares Carry on and don't panic Whatever .....
Guest m_james Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 15 hours ago, davewantsmoore said: I'm sorry, but I don't see why this thread would only be for people who "have heard substantial improvements from power cord upgrades." The OP said to stay "on-topic". My comment was that I got different results (and then some other banter to others who responded to the thread). I'd prefer to discuss the various different results, and how and why they might have been arrived at (that's the interesting part). I'm extremely interested in how a power cord could actually have an effect (ie. the actual mechanisms at play, if any) .... and whether this is real (ie.electrical), or only perceived (ie. it is some element of psychoacoustics - and how and why that might manifest). Understanding both are very relevant to getting good sound (I certainly fall into psychoacoustic traps all the time in the speaker design process). What could be realer than having been perceived? If I see you standing before me, can I not say you are real?
POV Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, m_james said: What could be realer than having been perceived? If I see you standing before me, can I not say you are real? Fantastic question. If you swear black and blue you can hear something, but no one else can hear it and there is no measurable change is it real? 1
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