Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted March 5, 2017 Volunteer Posted March 5, 2017 This is a bit cheeky. they aren't even pretending it's genuine https://m.aliexpress.com/s/item/32423451027.html?trace=storeDetail2msiteDetail 2
Addicted to music Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 Bargain the case would cost that much, better than buying super expensive csbles. 2
betty boop Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 Instead of "Bargain" Deathtrap !!!! Is probably more appropriate ! highly unlikely meets any Australian electrical safety requirements and goodness knows what incompetant put it together !
michaelw Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 On 05/03/2017 at 11:36 AM, Sir Sanders Zingmore said: This is a bit cheeky. they aren't even pretending it's genuine https://m.aliexpress.com/s/item/32423451027.html?trace=storeDetail2msiteDetail Expand better than trying to pass it of as real ? it's not even a convincing fake ML. the feedback suggests one has made it to nz ? will be scouring trademe ! checkout the accuphase copy.
Lansche plasma guy Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 On 05/03/2017 at 11:36 AM, Sir Sanders Zingmore said: This is a bit cheeky. they aren't even pretending it's genuine https://m.aliexpress.com/s/item/32423451027.html?trace=storeDetail2msiteDetail Expand Far out! Well spotted Trevor. It's just incredible that this sort of stuff can be made for so little money. Copying the faceplate and Mark Levinson logo is not cool in my opinion but one of Mark Levinsons competitors copied some of these circuits and sold them as they're own proprietary designs (can't say who it is on a public forum but it was pretty shocking when i found out) and another minor manufacturer did too who also said it was they're unique circuit so i'm sure there are others also. Would still love to hear what it sounds like at that price! LPG
Addicted to music Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 On 05/03/2017 at 8:26 PM, :) al said: Instead of "Bargain" Deathtrap !!!! Is probably more appropriate ! highly unlikely meets any Australian electrical safety requirements and goodness knows what incompetant put it together ! Expand I wasnt think on those lines, I just want the cabinet and gutted the insides....
Wimbo Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 Its nothing like an ML2. 2 channel for a start. Good price though if it works properly.
mavi Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 For how long does the copyright apply to the circuit ? The cabinet and look is certainly cheeky . Cheers
betty boop Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 Just like the Chinese fake replica cars and such that run around china. I don't think they care about copy right ! theres one thing buying a dodgy fake and doing so knowing full well, what bothers me more is some scum buying it bringing in the country then selling to some unsuspecting person either here or on eBay as the real thing. IF there were forsale pics for something like this, doubt I'd be able to know it's a fake or real thing and something we unlikely to know till the unsuspecting actually recieved it ! ebay has had the fake ML and gold munds and such, I've reported to them, but not something they give two hoots even though there policy forbids it. 1
eman Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 On 05/03/2017 at 10:50 PM, :) al said: Just like the Chinese fake replica cars and such that run around china. I don't think they care about copy right ! ................. Expand No; they just don't care. "Let's copy something good but make it crap". I found a China copy of our own MWHouston Thermionics and linked it to him. Nothing he could do about it. He makes it by hand here (very well) to order, why would he be selling from China ? TopGear UK tested the China Fake Rolls Royce. Just big. Rubbish on every bit that had some function. At least all the early Japanese cars we imported in the early 1970s were useful (and took the market by storm). Great Wall (of sh!te) anyone ? 1
Weka Posted March 6, 2017 Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) I see you can also buy "genuine" fake Accuphase A65 Power Amps... https://goo.gl/hxTlmR Woops! I see that michaelw had already spotted this one. Edited March 6, 2017 by Weka
mavi Posted March 6, 2017 Posted March 6, 2017 The Patents on products seem to be valid for 20 years in the US .Using the original circuits ( assuming the patent has expired ) Is it possible that ML amps could be built from better ( today ) components eg Capacitors , resistors and semiconductors etc at a fraction of the original price and actually sound better than the original ? Would the sound quality stand up in todays market ?? Mavi
mrbugeyes Posted March 6, 2017 Posted March 6, 2017 You can buy the empty case from Ali for around $300 if you fancy doing your own thing - cheers
Guest scumbag Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) On 05/03/2017 at 10:50 PM, :) al said: Just like the Chinese fake replica cars and such that run around china. I don't think they care about copy right ! theres one thing buying a dodgy fake and doing so knowing full well, what bothers me more is some scum buying it bringing in the country then selling to some unsuspecting person either here or on eBay as the real thing. IF there were forsale pics for something like this, doubt I'd be able to know it's a fake or real thing and something we unlikely to know till the unsuspecting actually recieved it ! ebay has had the fake ML and gold munds and such, I've reported to them, but not something they give two hoots even though there policy forbids it. Expand Who ya calling scum? Actually, I think this is one of those First Watt rip offs that do the rounds on Ebay stuck into a fancy case. The build on the components looks sort off OK from the piccies they show (for what that's worth) and assuming they've copied the circuits correctly then that part should be OK. I don't fancy my chances in the long term as they components will no doubt start to go South within a few years. Ironic that they seem to have managed to have ripped off 2 manufacturers in one device. Edited March 7, 2017 by scumbag
Guest scumbag Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 But it does go to highlight one thing. When you see something come out of China and you think "sh*t that's cheap", be assured that even at that price, everyone (except the poor guy assembling it) is making good money. I worked on an architectural project about 10 years ago where we had a choice between using german door handles on the cabinetry on 1000 units that were priced at about $11 each, or using some made in China. I got a sample and a data sheet from the Chinese manufacturer done in that quint style that they use. They had a price per unit on the thing in USD. Go on guess how much they were..... 0.001c each. I kid you not. No wonder manufacturing in most western countries is up the proverbial. Even if we started discounting to sell things below cost, we still couldn't compete. Rant over.
krakatana Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 I posted this recently on another thread. This was taken from another hifi product sold on Aliexpress, apparently fully designed and made in China. The irony is delicious: Design Features: 1, no copy of foreign products, tourmaline plus graphite design, but their own research and development of semiconductor chip technology to achieve electronic grounding box. Small size, low cost, the effect is stronger, customers often brought and imported from Europe and the earth box contrast. This is the real domestic research and development of their own innovative technology to maintain the dignity of the Chinese people, do not copy, do not learn from.
Guest scumbag Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 On 07/03/2017 at 3:51 AM, krakatana said: I posted this recently on another thread. This was taken from another hifi product sold on Aliexpress, apparently fully designed and made in China. The irony is delicious: Design Features: 1, no copy of foreign products, tourmaline plus graphite design, but their own research and development of semiconductor chip technology to achieve electronic grounding box. Small size, low cost, the effect is stronger, customers often brought and imported from Europe and the earth box contrast. This is the real domestic research and development of their own innovative technology to maintain the dignity of the Chinese people, do not copy, do not learn from. Expand
Tasebass Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 On 05/03/2017 at 11:36 AM, Sir Sanders Zingmore said: This is a bit cheeky. they aren't even pretending it's genuine https://m.aliexpress.com/s/item/32423451027.html?trace=storeDetail2msiteDetail Expand Should sound good with those best in the world made in USA patented speakers........EH!! Tase
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted March 7, 2017 Author Volunteer Posted March 7, 2017 On 07/03/2017 at 4:24 AM, Tasebass said: Should sound good with those best in the world made in USA patented speakers........EH!! Tase Expand You wait until you've heard those speakers, young fella. You'll be singing their praises
audiofeline Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 On 05/03/2017 at 9:37 PM, Lansche plasma guy said: Far out!... but one of Mark Levinsons competitors copied some of these circuits and sold them as they're own proprietary designs (can't say who it is on a public forum but it was pretty shocking when i found out) ... Expand You could say that xxx manufacturer allegedly copied... (providing you are reasonably confident of your source).
betty boop Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 On 07/03/2017 at 1:43 AM, scumbag said: Who ya calling scum? Actually, I think this is one of those First Watt rip offs that do the rounds on Ebay stuck into a fancy case. The build on the components looks sort off OK from the piccies they show (for what that's worth) and assuming they've copied the circuits correctly then that part should be OK. I don't fancy my chances in the long term as they components will no doubt start to go South within a few years. Ironic that they seem to have managed to have ripped off 2 manufacturers in one device. Expand yep should be no reason to think the components are ok ? seeing its not what it says on the case... no way id presume the caps for instance are what they say on the tin ? plenty of cheapo chinese rip offs on the net where they re skin some cheapo's with what ever your hearts desire... yes ironic and I suspect you will be right re going south within a few years... thats unless hasnt killed someone before ...
mavi Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 I in no way believe that the copied gear coming out of China would be anywhere like the Genuine article but we just pay way too much for gear in Australia . I was in the Electronic Industry for 35 years and remember on a trip to Japan being told that a product that sold in Australia for $2k had a factory cost of around $250 + marketing , shipping ,warranty etc etc . Most Hi fi stores have a 40% mark up on speakers plus the wholesaler that sells to them has a 25% mark up . The price of the product increases around 65% just in Australia . I have had my rant as well . Mavi 1
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