Guest jakeyb77 Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) Jeepers and @Silver Audiophile and @Guzzista have no skin in the game?? I think you two have missed the point. I’m sure there would be many people interested in the Princesses but no information really is forthcoming. Yet you two blokes seems to know every thing about these elusive speakers down to a molecular level except the price. Ball park or no. I guess the million dollar question was raised as there was said to be a huge noticeable upgrade that made the Sovereigns sound inferior. Tough task of many speaker regardless of price. So we ask ourselves, geez they must be good but are they $40,000 good or $70,000 good or what? Also as @Kiat has been reading he hasn’t bothered to comment makes it even more and more weird. Maybe he speaks through mouth pieces. Anyway I stand by previous comment that heading north of $50,000 I think the SGR Illuminators would savage these. But then I’ve not been in the hidden sanctum to comment to the contrary really. Also as a person that has had, and still has many Australian made audio parts I can say your comments about Duntech being unique in sales/service are unfounded. ME Amps/pre, Osborn Speakers, @Gieseler Audio, Holton amps and Weston amps etc I’ve always had better service than any mass produced product. So back on track, as lovers of the brand, we’d like to know a bit more under the covers. Edited February 21, 2020 by jakeyb77
Guzzista Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, jakeyb77 said: Anyway I stand by previous comment that heading north of $50,000 I think the SGR Illuminators would savage these. @Gieseler Audio SGR!? would savage them? If you have not heard the Duntech's how could you make such a ridiculous statement?
Guest jakeyb77 Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Guzzista said: SGR!? would savage them? If you have not heard the Duntech's how could you make such a ridiculous statement? I can look at two engines and tell which one has more horsepower without having to drive the car.
Guzzista Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, jakeyb77 said: I can look at two engines and tell which one has more horsepower without having to drive the car. "........................................ must be bliss!"
Guest rondine Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Silver Audiophile said: ........... Quality and passion, from small production is Duntech's future. After I purchased my Senator, my friend also ordered a new pair. After the Senator speaker was completed for him, it was tested for frequency response and listen tests. Something wasn't right. The ruler flat response was amiss. The critical listen audition proved something was slightly off with the sound. Everything was dissembled. After much thought, it was the driver to blame. Same high quality Danish driver. A slight variation in the amount of glue for the cones! After communication with the Danish manufacture, the explanation, the new batch of drivers were produced in summer. The factory internal temp is slightly higher and hence more glue oozes from the glue guns. Well, Duntech spent a week to redesign the cross over, and tweak it to the new driver batch. Problem fixed. The advantages of small boutique production runs! ?........ You really think this is a positive? An expensive speaker where the manufacturer couldn't be bothered to check the drivers meet spec and then blame the weather. Get real. ron
Hazzzy Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, frednork said: Well at least its not boring here! I'm enjoying the ride but it is a bit bumpy. 1 1
Silver Audiophile Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, jakeyb77 said: Jeepers and @Silver Audiophile and @Guzzista have no skin in the game?? I think you two have missed the point. I’m sure there would be many people interested in the Princesses but no information really is forthcoming. Yet you two blokes seems to know every thing about these elusive speakers down to a molecular level except the price. Ball park or no. I guess the million dollar question was raised as there was said to be a huge noticeable upgrade that made the Sovereigns sound inferior. Tough task of many speaker regardless of price. So we ask ourselves, geez they must be good but are they $40,000 good or $70,000 good or what? Also as @Kiat has been reading he hasn’t bothered to comment makes it even more and more weird. Maybe he speaks through mouth pieces. Anyway I stand by previous comment that heading north of $50,000 I think the SGR Illuminators would savage these. But then I’ve not been in the hidden sanctum to comment to the contrary really. Also as a person that has had, and still has many Australian made audio parts I can say your comments about Duntech being unique in sales/service are unfounded. ME Amps/pre, Osborn Speakers, @Gieseler Audio, Holton amps and Weston amps etc I’ve always had better service than any mass produced product. So back on track, as lovers of the brand, we’d like to know a bit more under the covers. "I think you two have missed the point. I’m sure there would be many people interested in the Princesses but no information really is forthcoming. Yet you two blokes seems to know every thing about these elusive speakers down to a molecular level .." Well, I believe it is you who has missed the point. I am a happy Duntech owner. We both know things about the speaker, because we one: each own a new pair. Two: The guys at Duntech are really nice folks that are only to happy to answer our questions. To arm chair keyboard warriors, get offline and get out there more and audition Aussie made audio gear!!! Just another point. No where in my comments have you noticed I've made any disparaging remarks about any Australian audio manufacture. A big thumbs up to all Australian audio manufacturers. I think we make great audio gear, at reasonable prices. Probably, under appreciated by many abroad. Edited February 21, 2020 by Silver Audiophile
tubularbells Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 On 16/02/2020 at 5:30 PM, Silver Audiophile said: Sovereign's dimensions and weight: Size Height Width Depth 1875mm (74") 360mm (14") 862mm (34") What gen are these specs from as mine are slightly different being Height 1875mm Width 370mm (520mm inc plinth) Depth 775mm (890mm inc plinth) Mine also weigh in at 178kg according to the previous owner who weighed them as these were the first revision and apparently had some steel inner sub frame? You can see by the back panel mine only have one set of binding posts (later ones had dual) as well as the 3x 1db bass reduction switches 1
Guest Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 10 hours ago, jakeyb77 said: Jeepers and @Silver Audiophile and @Guzzista have no skin in the game?? I think you two have missed the point. I’m sure there would be many people interested in the Princesses but no information really is forthcoming. Yet you two blokes seems to know every thing about these elusive speakers down to a molecular level except the price. Ball park or no. I guess the million dollar question was raised as there was said to be a huge noticeable upgrade that made the Sovereigns sound inferior. Tough task of many speaker regardless of price. So we ask ourselves, geez they must be good but are they $40,000 good or $70,000 good or what? Also as @Kiat has been reading he hasn’t bothered to comment makes it even more and more weird. Maybe he speaks through mouth pieces. Anyway I stand by previous comment that heading north of $50,000 I think the SGR Illuminators would savage these. But then I’ve not been in the hidden sanctum to comment to the contrary really. Also as a person that has had, and still has many Australian made audio parts I can say your comments about Duntech being unique in sales/service are unfounded. ME Amps/pre, Osborn Speakers, @Gieseler Audio, Holton amps and Weston amps etc I’ve always had better service than any mass produced product. So back on track, as lovers of the brand, we’d like to know a bit more under the covers. I asked the question about where they were made, but received no response but I also believe they are manufactured (the cabinets at least) in Asia. There's not necessarily anything wrong with that, of course. My Everests are made in Malaysia, assembled by just one person and inspected at every point along the way - it doesn't mean the quality and workmanship is not there. I have asked for official information from Kiat previously (In Hong Kong at the launch in person, and later as a follow up on email) but received nothing. Wanted to do my bit to support Aussie brands/manufacturers and give them some exposure, but I get the feeling Australia is not the target market for the revamped Duntech, and like most high-end brands now, the Far East is where the buyers are and what is keeping the top end manufacturers alive right now. 1
tubularbells Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) As per my above post here's what it looks like with the faceplate removed. Im keen to hear from any experts on whether in there opinion anything should be done to the crossover seeing that it is now a handful of decades old. Not necessarily wanting to change anything for changes sake but if there's any suggestions on what could be substantially improved id appreciate the input. Edited February 21, 2020 by Tubularbells 2
frednork Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 26 minutes ago, Tubularbells said: As per my above post here's what it looks like with the faceplate removed. Im keen to hear from any experts on whether in there opinion anything should be done to the crossover seeing that it is now a handful of decades old. Not necessarily wanting to change anything for changes sake but if there's any suggestions on what could be substantially improved id appreciate the input. Probably best to contact @Kiatfor some pointers. He was very generous with his knowledge and time when I upgraded mine. 2
Bill125812 Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 I’ve been invited to this. Will let you know how it goes. Is anyone in Brissy is going Hi Bill, This is an official invitation to our Event Night on Wednesday 26th February. We’re very excited to demonstrate a multitude of high end brands in-store amongst a select group of people who are as passionate about Hi-Fi as we are. Not only will we have leading brands such as Duntech, Halcro and Aqua, but also key speakers to help introduce, demo and provide a Q&A about these amazing products as well! When: Wednesday 26th February - doors open 5:30pm, event commences 6pm. Where: The Audio Tailor - 9/20 Rivergate Place, Murarrie 4172 Parking: Available car park on or the street What: Duntech, Halcro and Aqua system main demonstration. Listening time slots will be allotted to attendees upon arrival with their choice of song from a pre-determined playlist. Other high end demonstrations will also be available during your wait with beer, wine and nibbles provided. It’s going to be an awesome night, listening to some really fantastic equipment with some very cool people. The free drinks are also a bonus (; Spots are filling phenomenally fast. We’ve had an overwhelming response to this event night so please please please RSVP by replying to this email with a simple Yes or No ASAP!. Thanks Gabby TRUSTED BY 40,000+ CUSTOMERS READ OUR CUSTOMER REVIEWS GABBY BROOME CUSTOMER SERVICE ADDRESS: Unit 9, 20 Rivergate Place, Murarrie, 4172, QLD PHONE: 1300 308 711 EMAIL: gabby@theaudiotailor.com.au WEBSITE: www.theaudiotailor.com.au 2
Silver Audiophile Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Marc said: I asked the question about where they were made, but received no response but I also believe they are manufactured (the cabinets at least) in Asia. There's not necessarily anything wrong with that, of course. My Everests are made in Malaysia, assembled by just one person and inspected at every point along the way - it doesn't mean the quality and workmanship is not there. I have asked for official information from Kiat previously (In Hong Kong at the launch in person, and later as a follow up on email) but received nothing. Wanted to do my bit to support Aussie brands/manufacturers and give them some exposure, but I get the feeling Australia is not the target market for the revamped Duntech, and like most high-end brands now, the Far East is where the buyers are and what is keeping the top end manufacturers alive right now. "Wanted to do my bit to support Aussie brands/manufacturers and give them some exposure, but I get the feeling Australia is not the target market for the revamped Duntech, and like most high-end brands now, the Far East is where the buyers are and what is keeping the top end manufacturers alive right now." Probably a lot of truth here. Not just affecting Duntech but all high end manufacturers. Better Duntech in business making loudspeakers than no Duntech Audio. Edited February 21, 2020 by Silver Audiophile 2
Silver Audiophile Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) Just on the topic of Aussie speakers, it was fortuitous my mate just happen to drop by last night, having made the trip to Sydney to pick up a pair of lightly used Mike Lenehan ML3T speakers. Notwithstanding incorrect speaker separation, absence of installed spikes, and no spare basalt slabs for them, they sounded absolutely wonderful. For the money, hard to go wrong. Of course, the Senator in a direct A-B comparison was simply better in every aspects we both easily agreed, but it is a more expensive speaker. I remember auditioning a 'certain' well known brand speaker made in France retailing for $57,000, powered by those same MF M8 700i monoblocks. Those French speakers never came within a candle to the fidelity of these Lenehans, and they retailed for over 8 times the price! Assie HiFi gear once again punching above its weight. Never ceases to amaze me. Edited February 22, 2020 by Silver Audiophile 3
Whites Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 @Silver Audiophile your Duntech Senator speakers look absolutely stunning. 1
kelossus Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Whites said: @Silver Audiophile your Duntech Senator speakers look absolutely stunning. I agree. The Lenehan looks like a DIY speaker next to those Duntechs. Edited February 23, 2020 by kelossus 4
Chemout2 Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 As silver audiophile writes, these mlt3s are sensational for the price. Great cabinet finish, heavy internal bracing, nice drivers, quality crossovers. I can't find any obvious corners cut. They sound great too with a silky top end, and meaty bottom end with good control. Not in the same league as senators, which are another level of awesomeness again at that price point. We should be proud both are Australian designed and manufactured. Wouldn't buy anything else at their price points. 3
afa Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 These were listed on gumtree yesterday, the seller also has a Krell amp listed for sale https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/hobart-cbd/speakers/duntech-sovereign-2001-speaker-pair/1242449202
Guest jakeyb77 Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 32 minutes ago, afa said: These were listed on gumtree yesterday, the seller also has a Krell amp listed for sale https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/hobart-cbd/speakers/duntech-sovereign-2001-speaker-pair/1242449202 Yep listed on Aussie Audio a few days before that. There have been lots of eyes on these
gat474 Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 Damn, just came back from Hobart this morning. Could have squeezed them in my 7kg carry on luggage!
Guzzista Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) $15,000.00 for a pair of 35 year old speakers, wondering how "they sound great" as stated in the add when they admit they are "untested"? CAVEAT EMPTOR!! Edited February 29, 2020 by Guzzista spelling 1
Guest jakeyb77 Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Guzzista said: $15,000.00 for a pair of 35 year old speakers, wondering how "they sound great" as stated in the add when they admit they are "untested"? CAVIAT EMPTOR!! How do you know they are 35 years old? Peanuts for that type of speaker. And judging by the gear it’s been looked after. Look at the Krell. The son has stated he’s selling for a late father. I’m assuming he’s saying they work but further testing be done buy the buyer. Also your Latin needs work. Any issues can be fixed by Atilla here in Melbourne for reasonable cost, as has been done to many pairs of Sovs in the past Edited February 29, 2020 by jakeyb77
Guzzista Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 1 minute ago, jakeyb77 said: How do you know they are 35 years old? Peanuts for that type of speaker. And judging by the gear it’s been looked after. Look at the Krell. The son has stated he’s selling for a late father. I’m assuming he’s saying they work but further testing be done buy the buyer. Also your Latin needs work. Jake These speakers were built between 1985-89, "how do I know" I just do. Apologies for my Latin typo but thanks for being so quick to point out my mistakes. G 1
afa Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 Ive just heard from someone who went to inspect the sovereigns and the krells. The sovereigns need the woofers refoamed and one of the krells doesn't fire up and he reckons they are overpriced. cheers, Arthur.
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