john1503559500 Posted November 20, 2004 Posted November 20, 2004 http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/19/internat...cd250668fd316ed […] In an eerie repetition of the prelude to the Iraq war, hawks in the administration and Congress are trumpeting ominous disclosures about Iran's nuclear capacities to make the case that Iran is a threat that must be confronted, either by economic sanctions, military action, or "regime change." […] Leading the charge for a tough line on Iran has been John R. Bolton, under secretary of state for arms control and international security. At the moment, administration officials say there are no prominent members of Mr. Bush's inner circle enthusiastic about the European approach of negotiating with Iran; most of the moderates are lower-level areas specialists in the State Department. But only last week Prime Minister Tony Blair persuaded Mr. Bush to endorse the European approach. […] And so it all begins again!!!!!!!!! But one cannot help but wonder if Iran (and Syria?) have always been the main prize. A pacified Iraq will make a great staging area for the next assult. Added bonus is a stable oil supply and a way to control the price of a barrel of oil.
Digicruiser Posted November 20, 2004 Posted November 20, 2004 I thought I said that here already a while ago. It was known by many insiders in the US that after the election, no matter who got in there, shortly after there was to be another invasion to occur - just wasn't quite sure who was next to be invaded... Unbelievable hey!
Santa1503559644 Posted November 20, 2004 Posted November 20, 2004 I thought I said that here already a while ago. It was known by many insiders in the US that after the election, no matter who got in there, shortly after there was to be another invasion to occur - just wasn't quite sure who was next to be invaded...Unbelievable hey! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You're right - if Kerry won, they'd have invaded Florida. Now Bush has won - Iran, Syria, Jordan, etc - basically any neighbour of/"threat to" the Governing Council of The United States (aka the 52nd state, aka HQ)... BTW: Did you see that footage of the opening of that horrendous Clinton Memorial Library (complete with replica Oval Office & Cigar box)? They showed the last few presidents (excluding the gizzardGipper) up on the podium/whatsit, being feted etc, and then cut to some poor guy with a very long face, looking on from the crowd...
Digicruiser Posted November 20, 2004 Posted November 20, 2004 No, but have you seen all the masonic symbolism they are sticking on monuments etc... Even George Washington plaque somewhere has it. Then we have Camp whatever whre they play sacrifices for so called fun - story on net and pictures too!
john1503559500 Posted November 20, 2004 Author Posted November 20, 2004 I thought I said that here already a while ago. It was known by many insiders in the US that after the election, no matter who got in there, shortly after there was to be another invasion to occur - just wasn't quite sure who was next to be invaded... Sad thing is recent events have demonstrated this to be more than simply conspiracy theory A little over two years, I would have considered some of the issues raised at http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2319.htm little more than conspiracy theory, but now I am not so sure. I find it hilarious when the generals pat themselves on the back for flattening Falluja and claiming raising this city would rid Iraq of insurgents- the weapons and manpower at he USA’s disposal……… In the words of COLONEL DAVID H. HACKWORTH (U.S. ARMY, RETIRED) […]Before the smoke cleared, our grunts were back fighting insurgents in the city – “liberated” by us only two months before – while American aircraft patrolled overhead. After announcing an indefinite curfew, the U.S. military issued a statement proclaiming that Iraqi security forces and coalition forces were – again – in “full control of Samarra.” Expect the same hubris in dispatches from Fallujah, Mosul and other cities in days to come. In mid-1965, in one of the first large U.S. operations of the Vietnam War, the commanding general of the elite 173rd Airborne Brigade declared Vietnam’s formidable guerrilla-infested Iron Triangle to be “no more.” By my count it was retaken at least 20 additional times and remained a hornet’s nest until the end of the war 10 years later. […] http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews....1.6426278335717 Take a look at what Australia as part of the "Coalition Of The Willing" seemS to think is a worthwhile adventure. http://fallujapictures.blogspot.com/
Digicruiser Posted November 23, 2004 Posted November 23, 2004 Hmmm, looks like America Government is the next communism country. They have to be a little careful walking over places that Russia want American free! Russia as you prolly heard, now have hypersonic long range nuke missiles, American Star Wars project or whatever, not made to defend against Russia... Another Cold War? This time Russia trying to control the spread of the American communist? Let's see which of these theories will come true... :ph34r:
john1503559500 Posted December 20, 2004 Author Posted December 20, 2004 Does GWBs arrogance never end? His mate Rummy ignored senior army advice suggesting that an invasion force of several hundred thousand was required to secure the peace (Gen. Eric K. Shinseki); Rummy’s plan called for 50,000. To add insult to injury, Rummy used a signing machine when sending letters out to grieving families. Goerge refuses to sack this ******** GWB has learnt nothing over the invasion of Iraq.
laurie Posted December 21, 2004 Posted December 21, 2004 And I thought this could be left untill Xmas is over cheers laurie
Santa1503559644 Posted December 21, 2004 Posted December 21, 2004 Does GWBs arrogance never end? His mate Rummy ignored senior army advice suggesting that an invasion force of several hundred thousand was required to secure the peace (Gen. Eric K. Shinseki); Rummy’s plan called for 50,000. To add insult to injury, Rummy used a signing machine when sending letters out to grieving families. Goerge refuses to sack this ********GWB has learnt nothing over the invasion of Iraq. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You think that was bad? The neocons' plan after 9/11 was actually to invade Iraq BEFORE dealing with Afghanistan! The only upside of that taking place would have been GWB would have stood no chance of being returned to office if such a monumental cock-up had gone ahead (just imagine the exodus of the AlQ mob from Afghanistan while the US fought Nam II in Iraq taking the light and heat off the Taliban's AlQ assistance efforts)! BTW: GWB cant sack Rummy, he's one of the masters - GWB's just the servant! Anyway... back to the "Festive Season", as Laurie said...
Tweet Posted December 21, 2004 Posted December 21, 2004 Why don't they get on with the Hydrogen Economy and forget oil. In less than fifty years we'll all be getting around in boats. C.M
Digicruiser Posted December 21, 2004 Posted December 21, 2004 It's amazing how we know all this stuff and we can't do much about it... the cr*p in the world just goes on regardless.
KevinG Posted December 21, 2004 Posted December 21, 2004 It's amazing how we know all this stuff and we can't do much about it... the cr*p in the world just goes on regardless. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtop...=0entry125197
john1503559500 Posted December 21, 2004 Author Posted December 21, 2004 Finally got around to watching Fahrenheit 9/11. If I hadn't read about much of the stuff brought up in this film elsewhere, I would have thought Moore was full of sh*t. Upon watching this film I must say his critics are full of sh*t
Digicruiser Posted December 21, 2004 Posted December 21, 2004 On SBS they repeated a program which was even more damning of Bush.
KevinG Posted December 21, 2004 Posted December 21, 2004 Finally got around to watching Fahrenheit 9/11. If I hadn't read about much of the stuff brought up in this film elsewhere, I would have thought Moore was full of sh*t.Upon watching this film I must say his critics are full of sh*t <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If anyone doubts the statements in Fº 9/11 they can check here ... Fº 9/11 Facts
Santa1503559644 Posted December 21, 2004 Posted December 21, 2004 Finally got around to watching Fahrenheit 9/11. If I hadn't read about much of the stuff brought up in this film elsewhere, I would have thought Moore was full of sh*t.Upon watching this film I must say his critics are full of sh*t <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I still havent seen it, but I always pay close attention to who makes claims and why. If Rush Lymphbroth et al say its sh*t, then I'll either ignore their remarks, or assume it must be good! The usual neocon whiners just spurt bile, rather than logic. I'm just an old logician, really (thats why I dont support the neocons, the anti-global warming brigade, the creationists, the flat earth society, etc, etc...) While I know Moore can pull clown antics, and stretch things a bit - he is usually on the ball, generally accurate, and shares a lot of my style of humour! And he doesn't try to ingratiate himself with his "betters", unlike certain Howard genuflectors I wont name, who aspire to be worthy of bowing and scraping before the might of those whose greed they can only salivate at in their dreams...
john1503559500 Posted December 21, 2004 Author Posted December 21, 2004 I am starting to understand Pilger’s anger and the position taken by people such as Moore. Facts that came from sources in no way related to Pilger of Moore: The British gassed the Kurds in 1919 to put down a rebellion. The US supported Saddam during the Iran/ Iraq war. The USS Vencennes in 1986 mistakenly shot down an Iranian Civilian plane killing 290 Passengers. The US ambassador April Glaspie suggested that the US had “no opinion” about Arab-Arab conflicts such as the “border disagreement with Kuwait” when meeting Hussein just days before the invasion of Kuwait. Agent Orange contained one of the most virulent poisons known to man, a strain of dioxin called TCCD which, 28 years after the fighting ended, remains in the soil. The US have used Napalm, Daisy, Phosphorous, Depleted Uranium Munitions etc in Iraq. Some interesting links regarding some of these issues http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWiraq.htm http://www.arena.org.au/archives/Mag_Archi..._current_59.htm http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,...,923715,00.html
john1503559500 Posted December 21, 2004 Author Posted December 21, 2004 GWB's words gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling He also offered strong support for Mr Rumsfeld - calling him "a caring fellow" who has done "a really fine job"."Beneath that rough and gruff, no-nonsense demeanour is a good human being who cares deeply about the military, and deeply about the grief that war causes," he said.
kootaberra Posted December 21, 2004 Posted December 21, 2004 And I thought this could be left untill Xmas is over cheers laurie <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My sentiments. I just wish this site could leave the politcal BS for Canberra and the people that like "playing" politics.
Digicruiser Posted January 2, 2005 Posted January 2, 2005 Ok Christmas is over... John, Iran may not be next. There was a mega-gas deal between Beijing and Tehran worth $100 billion, likely to increase by another $50 to $100 billion, bringing the total approx to $200 billion, when a similar oil agreement, currently being negotiated, is inked real soon. Any threat to this by US and it's supporters, will be deemed as a threat to Chinese Security. Chinese also made a deal with Venezuela for their oil - this will piss off US as they are limiting or won't be suppling anymore to US in future - maybe. Russia will prolly build 4 nuclear reactors in Iran if the deal goes ahead - another problem for the US. Russia having great success with it's new SS-N-22 Sunburn and SS-N-25 onyx missiles (Sunburn not so new and not as good as onyx). The onyx can fly at Mach 2.9 (twice the speed of sound ?2100 mph???) and ends up being a 200 kiloton white flash at it's target. One of these can take out an Aircraft carrier and I wonder what defence systems could target a Mach 2.9 speed bird and flying about 45-60 feet above ground using terrain following technology like some jets have. Russia has not threatened anyone but it is rumoured that if Palestine is attacked by u know who, just one of these might fly - quietly and below most radars. Iran and Syria have been "fitted" with Onyx and/or Sunburns. Russia is donating four [Onyx equipped] Mig 29 SMTs to Cuba free of charge for the purpose of training Venezuela Mig 29 pilots etc... So do you still think Iran is going to be next? It'll be one dangerous playing ground if that was going to happen! There is so much going on and one wishes that all this money that is flying around could be used to help out the needy in our world! Hmmm...
john1503559500 Posted January 2, 2005 Author Posted January 2, 2005 Good news IMHO. I am starting to think we need more than one superpower to keep ***holes Like GWB(junior and senior before him) acting like petty tyrants. I would like to see GWB pull the same sort of crap on China as they did a with a tiny country that was powerless to put up a fair fight. Notice how mad goerge finally came of the ranch to deal with the tsunami crisis.
Digicruiser Posted January 2, 2005 Posted January 2, 2005 Well what's funny is that China and Iran or Russia are calling America "the Satan" - not bad when Bushie boy seems to be preaching from the gospels and making strange associations with the text, in his decision making! Just a bit scarey with Russia arming all those smaller nations though...
Digicruiser Posted January 2, 2005 Posted January 2, 2005 Notice how mad goerge finally came of the ranch to deal with the tsunami crisis. Even though this is opinion that can't be proven yet, Bushie boy wants to have Japan, Australia and themselves to help out in the tusnami crisis and this is to deliberately bypass the UN and the EU because of the non-support in Iraq. UN needs to be the central coordinator for the crisis, Red Cross reports to etc, and with US and others doing their own thing, risks doubling and wasting aid to the survivors where others are still waiting for something to come - that conflict came over not too clear in our news media
john1503559500 Posted January 2, 2005 Author Posted January 2, 2005 The world is going to blow itself. But the saddest joke of mad George’s ranting is that his great mates the Pakistanis have in all likelihood been selling nuclear technology elsewhere. PAKISTAN’S NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROLIFERATION FORMALLY BUSTEDhttp://www.saag.org/papers10/paper915.html
john1503559500 Posted January 2, 2005 Author Posted January 2, 2005 Notice how mad goerge finally came of the ranch to deal with the tsunami crisis. Even though this is opinion that can't be proven yet, Bushie boy wants to have Japan, Australia and themselves to help out in the tusnami crisis and this is to deliberately bypass the UN and the EU because of the non-support in Iraq. UN needs to be the central coordinator for the crisis, Red Cross reports to etc, and with US and others doing their own thing, risks doubling and wasting aid to the survivors where others are still waiting for something to come - that conflict came over not too clear in our news media <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Notice how the US republicans have been attempting to discredit the UN and the French over the last few months?
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