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It was interesting how Africa mentioned how useful the money would be if the world had the donation power of the Asian event for Aids research... 25 million infected over there (?) with aids and still spreading- what a way to self terminate a big chunk of population by them eventually passing over... But would all that money actually speed up Aids research around world - I'm sure research is going full hog at the moment.

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It was interesting how Africa mentioned how useful the money would be if the world had the donation power of the Asian event for Aids research...  25 million infected over there (?) with aids and still spreading- what a way to self terminate a big chunk of population by them eventually passing over...  But would all that money actually speed up Aids research around world - I'm sure research is going full hog at the moment.

BTW I believe Nelson Mandela's son just died of aids... and that goose president Mbeki still is claiming "nah worries, mate, aids not harmful" ... :blink:

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Bill Gates and Dick Smith have been known to be generous supporters of needy causes

Not that either give silently :blink:

Gates ATM has only been giving a miniscule proportion of his greedy hordings, but has promised, uncharacteristically to give most away rather than to his heir(s)... dunno if he will in the end, but they are better than most.

Uncle Dick? Well, he's a bloody legend, isn't he!

(BTW: The other Dick (Pratt) is the really big donator, from memory)

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Dear Santa, changing the subject slightly.

Now that nut bag GWB and his blood lust policies have drawn my attention to American politics, why is it that conservatives appear to hate the UN while loving second rate actors and nutbags ( they make John Howard look like a genius).

Until recently I did not relise that Jimmy Carter, Kennedy and Clinton were Democrates but all these guys appeared to be caring thinking individuals, but it would appear that the right appear to despise them, why is this?

Then agian LBJ was on scary President IMHO

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Dear Santa, changing the subject slightly.

Now that nut bag GWB and his blood lust policies have drawn my attention to American politics, why is it that conservatives appear to hate the UN while loving second rate actors and nutbags ( they make John Howard look like a genius).

Until recently I did not relise that Jimmy Carter, Kennedy and Clinton were Democrates but all these guys appeared to be caring thinking individuals, but it would appear that the right appear to despise them, why is this?

Whoa! Its too late tonight for me to give a decent answer to that!

They are NEOconservatives, by the way (a group I can never join, by definition).

Kennedy was seriously flawed and not a particularly nice guy (but way better than most recent Republicans).

Clinton as we all know was a bit of a goose, if smarter than the last few Republicans put together (and Bush Snr holds those guys up with 90% of the IQ of the lot), and wasted a lot of his term by trying to find common ground with the Republican nutters .. in hindsight a bad move whose repurcussions are still being felt today.

Carter, while not a genius, was the most genuine of the group, and thus the most demonised (well, until Clinton). Neocons and (far) right wingers always hate with more fervour those who they can intuitively tell are honest, caring and have REAL morals....

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Carter is my favourite and when he spoke of Christian principles I believed him.

I will never understand people choosing Reagan over a Carter second term. The man has done some wonderful things out of office.

What I like about Kennedy is that he pulled the world back from the brink of destruction during the missile crisis. Pity about all the girlfriends.

As for Clinton, I prefer a lover over a nut job. He should have come clean over Monika rather than trying the big cover up; but the impeachment proceedings were a load of crock.

Don't know about Bush senior though, perhaps it was the nutjobs that persuaded him to attack Hussein rather than let the man safe face and pull out of Kuwait with perhaps one or two concessions (the disputed oil fields and those islands for a secure port). IMHO the leader of a superpower should act like a grown-up and use the firepower as the very last resort- a peacemaker above all else.

The book "Beyond The Storm: A Gulf Crisis Reader" makes a very interesting read for those interested in the first gulf war.

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Carter is my favourite and when he spoke of Christian principles I believed him.

I will never understand people choosing Reagan over a Carter second term. The man has done some wonderful things out of office.

Plenty of reasons ... not too many of his making. Remember the hostages and the evil deal to make them wait until Reagan was in office?

Remember the Oil Crises?

Carter had to deal with many problems, internal and external. Then Reagan had what is acknowledged as a dream run without having to burn a braincell thanks significfantly to factors beyond his administrations control.

I wont make any comparisons between the Luck of the Howard & Ronny's administration ATM.

What I like about Kennedy is that he pulled the world back from the brink of destruction during the missile crisis. Pity about all the girlfriends.

As for Clinton, I prefer a lover over a nut job. He should have come clean over Monika rather than trying the big cover up; but the impeachment proceedings were a load of crock.

Don't know about Bush senior though, perhaps it was the nutjobs that persuaded him to attack Hussein rather than let the man safe face and pull out of Kuwait with perhaps one or two concessions (the disputed oil fields and those islands for a secure port). IMHO the leader of a superpower should act like a grown-up and use the firepower as the very last resort- a peacemaker above all else.

The book "Beyond The Storm: A Gulf Crisis Reader" makes a very interesting read for those interested in the first gulf war.

You mean he didn't? That dress was fabricated evidence??? :blink:

Sorry! But how can anyone let a quote like that go by! :P

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To think that it was an accidental pun. :blink:

Yep heard about Reagan’s deal (and Nixon’s deal during the sixties). That along with Iran/ Contra and to think they attempted to impeach Clinton!!

It is easy to forget the oil crisis when looking at the performance of Carter, Whitlam or Frasier, but non of these guys had an easy time of it.

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NEOconservatives...

Sounds like Matrix character coated with ruddy jam!

Maybe that's the only way we can get GWB to be even more supportive of the Aid effort, tank up millions of barrels of oil and dump it there...

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I have been wondering why the Bush administration has been pushing the January elections so hard especially as some are suggesting that is just too violent. Bush originally told us the Iraqi people would welcome the liberator with open arms; then the capture of Saddam would solve the problem; now the elections art to be the silver bullet. As Iraq has gone pear shaped, are the elections mostly a propaganda exercise where it can be claimed that democracy was brought to the country and therefore the Bush administration had done good?

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle...ion=focusoniraq

WASHINGTON - US Secretary of State Colin Powell admitted Sunday he is worried about the future of Iraq but said the United States could consider its mission there accomplished once a representative government and an Iraqi security force are in place.[…]

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Kennedy was seriously flawed and not a particularly nice guy (but way better than most recent Republicans).

Altered States (Telecast tonight on Auntie) may have gone some way to explaining his extremely "horney" and erratic behavior.

Like many others I consider Kennedy to have been a great and inspiring leader. Tonight’s revelations have only added to this opinion. The man had Addison’s disease and severe back pain. He took heavy doses of steroids to keep him alive and a wonder drug (the physician never told him it was speed; he was hooked before discovering its nature). One can only admire his determination to rise to greatness. It was suggested the drugs would not have allowed him to make it through a second term

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Well John,

If you write them a letter with a return address....... explaining your reasons for believing that,they may send you a belated Christmas present.

C.M

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Kennedy was seriously flawed and not a particularly nice guy (but way better than most recent Republicans).

Altered States (Telecast tonight on Auntie) may have gone some way to explaining his extremely "horney" and erratic behavior.

Like many others I consider Kennedy to have been a great and inspiring leader. Tonight’s revelations have only added to this opinion. The man had Addison’s disease and severe back pain. He took heavy doses of steroids to keep him alive and a wonder drug (the physician never told him it was speed; he was hooked before discovering its nature). One can only admire his determination to rise to greatness. It was suggested the drugs would not have allowed him to make it through a second term

I was aluding to more than that. However, last night's programme did clearly illustrate his propensity to barefacedly lie through his teeth to achieve what he wanted.

As I say, he wasn't a very nice guy (yes, to a large extent due to his illnesses, pain and father/family upbringing), but he was streets ahead of the modern republicans.

The irony of the perennial tan certainly is a nice touch!

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Santa, perhaps I need to develop a little more cynicism :blink: But seriously don't all these leaders lie through their teeth or is that a little too much cynicism?

Rolf!

Yeah, they do, but some are more serious than others, and some say a lot about the liar.

Of course, there's the old "wouldn't know the truth if it hit him" J. Winston H's, and his beloved mixture of non-core promises, "didnt know"s and "ministerial code of conduct" brand of toilet tissue....

These days most pollies use the J. Winston "plausible deniability" technique.

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