betty boop Posted May 28, 2005 Posted May 28, 2005 It is unlikely that we will ever know the truth of the matter however, the fact that Bashir got 3 years (less in effect) and she got 20 says it all! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> nothing strange about that one, bashir had the best lawyers and defence in indonesia who blocked the evidence of the presecution and put forward better evidence and defence. Schepella on the other hand had a pretty inexperienced lawyer and a poor defence by comparison. also no doubt this is pretty much a trial by media here in oz. there are other aussies in jail in indonesia for life for similar defences. cannot remember a similar media hoopla and interest for them. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Didn't say it was strange - just questioning the morals and ethics (does anybody remember morals and ethics?) of the sentencing approach to a terrorist puppet master as opposed to dealing with a minor dope smuggler with some doubt over her case. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> actually morals and ethics have nothing to do with it - were talking legal systems here !. Theres plenty of examples of injustices I can think of even in the australian legal systems. As far as sentencing approaches keep in mind the asian countries have a very strong/harsh approach to drugs to provide a solid deterent to drug trafficking - this is an approach they have had for decades. To them drugs is a cancer eating away at their society and if you have ever been involved with any one friends or family who is caught up in drugs then you would understand why this is needed. Their laws against terrorism are a relatively new and were only enacted relatively recently infact too late and after the event and could not be retrospectively applied to bashir.
RodN Posted May 28, 2005 Posted May 28, 2005 Just be careful of determining innocence (or guilt) through public opinion. I blame Ray and ACA for this and newspapers like the Sun. We don't know the facts of the case and we don't know the Indonesian legal system so how can we safely say she's innocent? Poll's like "is she innocent?" are really just a waste of time. Or how can the results of a poll say anything really about the case? Ultimately it came down to her word against the customs guy - sucks I know but she had to prove that that stuff had come from somewhere else. This sort of thing happens all the time in Aus too - sorta like crims trying to prove that the widescreen TV's in their bedroom are not thiers. They actually DO have to prove somehow that they didn't know, although it seems like guilty til proven otherwise, it works like that over here too. The gravity of the sentence is another issue altogether. Marijuana is on the same level as Heroin for them so if someone is guilty then it's like being guilty of Heroin trafficking - that's why thier lawyers are appealing because they have a zero tolerance policy in their legal system (which is different to zero tolerance policing) of drugs and all the sentences are high. PS: The terrorist puppet master had big gun lawyers and Shapelle didn't, that sorta rings true on how things happen over here too (fair or not). PPS: I am never travelling to Bali again PPPS: Anyone want to invest in a bag wrapping plastic machine?
betty boop Posted May 29, 2005 Posted May 29, 2005 what happens in australia if the police raided your place and found a stash of drugs that your 'friend' happened to have been storing there without your knowledge. Would you be up for posession and have to prove that the drugs were not yours ? yep I'm not travelling to bali either ! what I don't understand with the plastic wrapping machine is what stops someone unwrapping your case putting the stuff in and re-wrapping it ? you can buy hand held plastic wrappers for nothing - in fact the companies that sell the rolls of plastic will give you one if you ask nicelly.
john1503559500 Posted May 29, 2005 Posted May 29, 2005 It’s not over yet; this woman may yet cop a life sentence or theoretically a bullet
Lindsay1503559500 Posted May 29, 2005 Posted May 29, 2005 If this News Report has any element of accuracy whatsoever, I'm sorry but I just DON'T understand how anyone could condone her continued incarceration, or for that matter, anyone else in her position.
laurie Posted May 29, 2005 Posted May 29, 2005 Why does anyone take drugs to Indonesia? Simple what's there is $hit this may have been better quality stuff worth heaps more? cheers laurie
HDSTC Posted May 29, 2005 Posted May 29, 2005 You left out the obvious option in that poll:- F*** "Schapelle" Freakin' Corby! I don't give a flying f***, and think that the total domination of the airwaves for this kind of tabloid trash is a monumental embarassment and really shows what a dump this country's become under Howard! I'd have picked that one, since I am sick and f******* tired of the constant inundation of "Schapelle" Freakin' Corby 24/7 ... other people have been arrested (wrongly or rightly) overseas .. why the hell does the entire country have to come to a halt over this goose?!? Just because she looks like a wierd caged animal?!? Because Nein bought her story? Because the ABC is totally clueless on its downward spiral into deluded "relevancy"?!?! And the hysteria is so widespread thanks to the power of the media over your minds, even Johnny "Spin-Tuned" Howard is now offering a choice of top QCs at OUR expense for this two-bit nobody!?!? Santa was right all along, this country's gone to the Dogs under Howard! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Couldnt agree more , David Hicks is rotting in prison in conditions that go against the Geneva convention he hasnt been charged with anything , he has no visits from his family , Howard has done nothing to ensure that an Australian citizens welfare is being looked after, no legal assistance no consular visits nothing , why , the British got all there citizens out and home, When the Bali bombers were given the death sentence Howard said that he would respect laws of another country although we did not have the death sentence here yet because of all the media attention with Corby he now says thats an unjust verdict and we now send over QCs , if it was guy there would be no help and no sympthy <{POST_SNAPBACK}> David Hicks wasn't over there to assist the Taliban with their knitting classes - he was picked up fighting with the enemy. You know, the same people shooting at Australian soldiers and our allies. He is what is commonly called a traitor. It's quite reassuring to know that he is slowly rotting away in some mosquito infested hell-hole - far better than execution imho! All in all, I would have thought that the Howard Government's approach to Hicks has been a very considered and appropriate one. They haven't exactly bent over backwards to assist Corby either, but given the doubt over her circumstances the measured response was probably the correct one. Have a lovely day! :-) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> HUMAN RIGHTS AND JUSTICE FOR ALL
EvanOnTheGC Posted May 29, 2005 Posted May 29, 2005 I'm still trying to work out why someone from Tugun on the Gold Coast, which is literally across the road from Coolangatta Airport, travels 100km to Brisbane Airport to fly to Sydney for a flight to Bali. Surely you'd fly OOL -> SYD -> DPS! Seems too suss for me. Evan :->
thesatelliteguy Posted May 29, 2005 Posted May 29, 2005 I'm still trying to work out why someone from Tugun on the Gold Coast, which is literally across the road from Coolangatta Airport, travels 100km to Brisbane Airport to fly to Sydney for a flight to Bali.Surely you'd fly OOL -> SYD -> DPS! Seems too suss for me. There could be numerous explanations for that. The flights from coolangatta may not have timed in with the flights to bali and they could have been waiting hours at Sydney airport and it could have been cheaper to fly from Brisbane-Sydney rather than Coolangatta-Sydney. Satelliteguy
Trickster Posted May 29, 2005 Posted May 29, 2005 You left out the obvious option in that poll:- F*** "Schapelle" Freakin' Corby! I don't give a flying f***, and think that the total domination of the airwaves for this kind of tabloid trash is a monumental embarassment and really shows what a dump this country's become under Howard! I'd have picked that one, since I am sick and f******* tired of the constant inundation of "Schapelle" Freakin' Corby 24/7 ... other people have been arrested (wrongly or rightly) overseas .. why the hell does the entire country have to come to a halt over this goose?!? Just because she looks like a wierd caged animal?!? Because Nein bought her story? Because the ABC is totally clueless on its downward spiral into deluded "relevancy"?!?! And the hysteria is so widespread thanks to the power of the media over your minds, even Johnny "Spin-Tuned" Howard is now offering a choice of top QCs at OUR expense for this two-bit nobody!?!? Santa was right all along, this country's gone to the Dogs under Howard! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Couldnt agree more , David Hicks is rotting in prison in conditions that go against the Geneva convention he hasnt been charged with anything , he has no visits from his family , Howard has done nothing to ensure that an Australian citizens welfare is being looked after, no legal assistance no consular visits nothing , why , the British got all there citizens out and home, When the Bali bombers were given the death sentence Howard said that he would respect laws of another country although we did not have the death sentence here yet because of all the media attention with Corby he now says thats an unjust verdict and we now send over QCs , if it was guy there would be no help and no sympthy <{POST_SNAPBACK}> David Hicks wasn't over there to assist the Taliban with their knitting classes - he was picked up fighting with the enemy. You know, the same people shooting at Australian soldiers and our allies. He is what is commonly called a traitor. It's quite reassuring to know that he is slowly rotting away in some mosquito infested hell-hole - far better than execution imho! All in all, I would have thought that the Howard Government's approach to Hicks has been a very considered and appropriate one. They haven't exactly bent over backwards to assist Corby either, but given the doubt over her circumstances the measured response was probably the correct one. Have a lovely day! :-) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> HUMAN RIGHTS AND JUSTICE FOR ALL <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He's still rottin' away and he can't hear you so you'll just have to yell a little louder! Cheers Tricky
Santa1503559644 Posted May 29, 2005 Posted May 29, 2005 I don't know whether Hicks was really doing much figthing, and it seems he may have been just as clueless as Corby ... but there are many better comparisons to make with Corby than Hicks. One day we may find out the truth behind Hicks ... I'm keeping a somewhat open (yet reasonably convinced) mind till then.
Santa1503559644 Posted May 29, 2005 Posted May 29, 2005 NEWSFLASH: WA's new sports stadium won't be "Anzac Stadium" (as suggested/beat-up in the media here this week)... It'll be "Schapelle Stadium"
HDSTC Posted May 30, 2005 Posted May 30, 2005 You left out the obvious option in that poll:- F*** "Schapelle" Freakin' Corby! I don't give a flying f***, and think that the total domination of the airwaves for this kind of tabloid trash is a monumental embarassment and really shows what a dump this country's become under Howard! I'd have picked that one, since I am sick and f******* tired of the constant inundation of "Schapelle" Freakin' Corby 24/7 ... other people have been arrested (wrongly or rightly) overseas .. why the hell does the entire country have to come to a halt over this goose?!? Just because she looks like a wierd caged animal?!? Because Nein bought her story? Because the ABC is totally clueless on its downward spiral into deluded "relevancy"?!?! And the hysteria is so widespread thanks to the power of the media over your minds, even Johnny "Spin-Tuned" Howard is now offering a choice of top QCs at OUR expense for this two-bit nobody!?!? Santa was right all along, this country's gone to the Dogs under Howard! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Couldnt agree more , David Hicks is rotting in prison in conditions that go against the Geneva convention he hasnt been charged with anything , he has no visits from his family , Howard has done nothing to ensure that an Australian citizens welfare is being looked after, no legal assistance no consular visits nothing , why , the British got all there citizens out and home, When the Bali bombers were given the death sentence Howard said that he would respect laws of another country although we did not have the death sentence here yet because of all the media attention with Corby he now says thats an unjust verdict and we now send over QCs , if it was guy there would be no help and no sympthy <{POST_SNAPBACK}> David Hicks wasn't over there to assist the Taliban with their knitting classes - he was picked up fighting with the enemy. You know, the same people shooting at Australian soldiers and our allies. He is what is commonly called a traitor. It's quite reassuring to know that he is slowly rotting away in some mosquito infested hell-hole - far better than execution imho! All in all, I would have thought that the Howard Government's approach to Hicks has been a very considered and appropriate one. They haven't exactly bent over backwards to assist Corby either, but given the doubt over her circumstances the measured response was probably the correct one. Have a lovely day! :-) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Your obviously very well informed so heres a little more information for your consideration, David Hicks converted to the Islamic religion in Adelaide he then went to Japan to train Horses , from there he decided to further his Islamic Studies in Pakistan, he joined the Pakistani Army so that he could stay in Pakistan and Study, from there he went to Afganistan to study with the Taliban who were the Governing Party , for one week each month he was required to undertake border protection duties all unpaid work. After the US declared war the Northern Alliance captured Hicks in a truck doing Border Patrol , the evidence so far indicates that he was unaware of the 911 attack as he was in a very remote area. The Northern alliance handed him over to the US when they arrived, I hope that you have a clearer understanding of what happened. if we deny Justice and Human Rights to anybody what does that make us.
Tasty Posted May 30, 2005 Posted May 30, 2005 if we deny Justice and Human Rights to anybody what does that make us. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hear hear! There are generally more than two sides to every story, not sure whether the David Hicks info above is true either, but it's as believable as any other story... If you truely believe in the freedoms that most western nations say that they are built upon, however those principals are actually practiced, how can you support years of prison with no trial?
laurie Posted May 30, 2005 Posted May 30, 2005 Has anyone thought if she did not get caught with the drugs at the airport would she have gone to the police and said "this is not mine"!! cheers laurie
Tweet Posted May 30, 2005 Posted May 30, 2005 'It is not flesh and blood that we fight against but rather principalities and powers unseen' Self righteousness is the scourge of humanity,it wil be the end of us if we do not recognise it as such. C.M
Tasty Posted May 30, 2005 Posted May 30, 2005 Holy crap CM, that was deep, I think u broke my brain .
gclark8 Posted May 30, 2005 Posted May 30, 2005 Which begs the question, whats a nice Christian Girl doing in a place like... (Bali) I see one of my Jewish lady friends appealing for the young lady on the TV last night...
BigH Posted May 30, 2005 Posted May 30, 2005 Whether she was guilty or innocent it really makes you wonder what we pay the Foreign Office and Alexander Downer's crew for, other than getting dressed up in women’s clothing?
riley454 Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 There's a notice on Schappelle's beauty parlor door: "BACK IN 20"
Tweet Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 Hey riley ! Shouldn't it be........ "A man's gotta know his limitations" - Mrs. Harry Callahan C.M
laurie Posted June 1, 2005 Posted June 1, 2005 As in the Chamblian case[sorry if wrong spelling] the jokes about Dingoes started to appear soon after well I think it's going to be the same here and here is one now Picture cheers laurie
steve_i Posted June 2, 2005 Posted June 2, 2005 As in the Chamblian case[sorry if wrong spelling] the jokes about Dingoes started to appear soon after well I think it's going to be the same here and here is one nowPicture cheers laurie <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I dunno about you guys but I think its kinda tragic all the jokes etc.. especially for the poor buggers facing the music. Lindy Chamberlain?.. maybe she was right? No-one categorically proved her wrong, yet she did time on circumstantial evidence in the 1980's, which was then tested to be wrong. Schapelle Corby? I have no doubt she's innocent....which, might I add, the government and legal system that trialed her is recognised internationally as being one of the most corrupt in the world, and I say that from wisdom and experience with Indonesian customs... it's just unfortunate that a young life is wasted now because Indonesia doesn't recognise "reasonable doubt" in their legal system. I travel in and out of Indonesia regularly with work. Is all i can think of is.. that could have been me! Stepping off the soapbox now:).... ooh.. ahhhh EEKS...crash... I just fell.. damn.. i've broken my ankle:)
Tweet Posted June 2, 2005 Posted June 2, 2005 Steve, What's that strapped about your ankles ? Looks suspicious........ C.M
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