Santa1503559644 Posted October 10, 2005 Author Posted October 10, 2005 John Howard on his IR Fatwa If an employee doesn't like any Dickensian, virtual slave-labour conditions his boss tells him he's going to have to accept if he wants to keep his job... then he can quit! Whoa! Thanks, Maggie Johnny!
mello yello Posted October 10, 2005 Posted October 10, 2005 Hmm this is strange .....Im not picking up ANY of this on the news (and Ive got the latest HD equipment and aerials ) Fox news... ( news???) ....had good ole Ollie Norths version of dubya dubya 2 and how we opened up a big ole can of whoop ass way back then, but not much on whats actually happening around the place today. So where are you guys getting all this? Do I need a special antenna? oh.......and why has that Amanda woman still got her job?
Foggy Posted October 10, 2005 Posted October 10, 2005 I have the solution gentlemen. I will start a new political party cale The OC Party or the Open Corruption Party. All our candidates will stand with the philosophy that we will pilfer the country's tax coffers in an honest way. We will disclose all our takings and special deals that we make with the corporate world (Hello Bob Carr from Macquarie Bank). At the end of the day, the Public will be much better off, as we will not have the huge overheads of coverups, legal conflicts, marketing and media manipulation campaigns, and endless mouths in the trough from the entire political party and everyone that is related or friends with them. We don't need billions of your dollars to support our relatively meagre spending habits, geez a good Home Threatre can be had for well less than $250k, and a Benz is just over $100k. Hence, our wasteful spending will be minimised to a relative drop in the ocean. We will use internet polling to determine our policies, if you don't have internet access, bad luck, blame the previous government who sold off all your public assets. There's so many more ideas for this concept, but I think I'm on a winner here.
Santa1503559644 Posted October 11, 2005 Author Posted October 11, 2005 Hmm this is strange .....Im not picking up ANY of this on the news (and Ive got the latest HD equipment and aerials ) Fox news... ( news???) ....had good ole Ollie Norths version of dubya dubya 2 and how we opened up a big ole can of whoop ass way back then, but not much on whats actually happening around the place today. So where are you guys getting all this? Do I need a special antenna? oh.......and why has that Amanda woman still got her job? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Fox isn't covering it?!?! Then it can't be true! BTW: Who was the incompetent bozo (or calculating bastard) who scheduled the Chaser Alerts directly opposite Clarke & Dawe?
Santa1503559644 Posted October 11, 2005 Author Posted October 11, 2005 I have the solution gentlemen.I will start a new political party cale The OC Party or the Open Corruption Party. All our candidates will stand with the philosophy that we will pilfer the country's tax coffers in an honest way. We will disclose all our takings and special deals that we make with the corporate world (Hello Bob Carr from Macquarie Bank). At the end of the day, the Public will be much better off, as we will not have the huge overheads of coverups, legal conflicts, marketing and media manipulation campaigns, and endless mouths in the trough from the entire political party and everyone that is related or friends with them. We don't need billions of your dollars to support our relatively meagre spending habits, geez a good Home Threatre can be had for well less than $250k, and a Benz is just over $100k. Hence, our wasteful spending will be minimised to a relative drop in the ocean. We will use internet polling to determine our policies, if you don't have internet access, bad luck, blame the previous government who sold off all your public assets. There's so many more ideas for this concept, but I think I'm on a winner here. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, as far as the first part goes (the Open Corruption) ... they have been trialling that for years now ... its called Italy!
riley454 Posted October 11, 2005 Posted October 11, 2005 So where are you guys getting all this? Do I need a special antenna? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You only get SPECIAL news in the North Pole. You know the song "he knows when you're asleep........" The CIA's got nothing on Santa's resources! oh.......and why has that Amanda woman still got her job? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Because if the government sack Ms Twentystone she will sue them for descrimination on the grounds of obesity! I will start a new political party cale The OC Party or the Open Corruption Party. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The CC Party or the Clandestine Corruption Party will beat you hands down as it has done throughout political history. Fox isn't covering it?!?! Then it can't be true! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Neither has Ray Hairdo so it definitely can't be true! The problem is, if you rely on the media to tell you what's REALLY going on in the world then you'll only hear what Lil Johnny(via George) lets Kerry and Rupert tell you what's happening!
mello yello Posted October 11, 2005 Posted October 11, 2005 The problem is, if you rely on the media to tell you what's REALLY going on in the world then you'll only hear what Lil Johnny(via George) lets Kerry and Rupert tell you what's happening! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So how do I get to know whatreallyhappened ?
mello yello Posted October 11, 2005 Posted October 11, 2005 The problem is, if you rely on the media to tell you what's REALLY going on in the world then you'll only hear what Lil Johnny(via George) lets Kerry and Rupert tell you what's happening! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh OK ... so what youre saying is you have to read between the lines.... so for example, when Johnny says hes "backing down " on his IR reform package by making it possible for us poor underpaid working class to now be able to negotiate and trade-in our family time ie holidays and public holidays for cash, what he is really saying is "it is now open slather for unscrupulous and exploitative employers to offer us the "cash in advance " by offering us the same rate as before ....minus the actual holidays" ........oh ok thats so nice of him for not letting me have to worry about doing all those sums......its been done for me .....gee thanks Johhny you must be the biggest f***wit to think I would never go along with that plan......
riley454 Posted October 12, 2005 Posted October 12, 2005 Correct Mello! And part of the reason you poor working class are getting stitched up is because of the quarter million the government has spent in Melbourne alone today just through newspaper adverts selling the new package, that could be well spent on any number of other things. Four pages in The Age and The Herald-Sun each at about 30 gorillas a page, or so I'm told! If you really want to point the finger of blame, start with the over-powered unions. I am lucky enough, in my working situation, not to be caught up in the debacle of unions and government employment legislation, but millions are and its the pressure that unions have put on organisations to provide unwordly conditions for workers here. Unions want everyone to earn $100k a year, do nothing and go on strike if they don't! Show me 1 union officer who has accepted a weeks loss of pay when they have encouraged the poor working class to strike for a week(and all too often MORE!) for 50c an hour more pay!
Santa1503559644 Posted October 13, 2005 Author Posted October 13, 2005 John Howard was caught on the back foot today! You can always tell when the reptile is angry at being caught out, because he always descends to his abusive, petty, vindictive true self! <wrt KB>"I thought at one stage he did represent an alternative leader of the Labor movement in this country" "But I've watched him over nine-and-a-half years. He does not, Mr Speaker, have the ticker to articulate an alternative policy to the Australian people. Sound familiar? Yep, its the bluster of a natural liar, and the words so often parrotted by his mouthpieces... {BTW: Full story wrt hiding his intentions : Pulped IR documents reveal truth, says Beazley}
Santa1503559644 Posted October 13, 2005 Author Posted October 13, 2005 BTW: Lil Johnny was also fuming because... IR ads broke the law, rules electoral body
Santa1503559644 Posted October 13, 2005 Author Posted October 13, 2005 However, if there was one man who could underline beyond doubt the true aims of the IR "reforms", it would be, of course ... Geoff "Psycho Chainsaw" Dixon! Guess who came out in support of the IR "reforms" today??? OH, and completely off this subject ... I haven't yet seen the nightly news, but I would put good money on every station running a puff piece for those criminals at Mitsushiti tonight...
mello yello Posted October 13, 2005 Posted October 13, 2005 John Howard was caught on the back foot today!You can always tell when the reptile is angry at being caught out, because he always descends to his abusive, petty, vindictive true self! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My missus just calls him Mr Toad..... mainly for the reasons you already outined above Santa. What about Sherrif Dubya.......hes been recently quoted in the press as saying "God told me to invade Iraq " ......of course denied by The Whites-only House. Sounds like somebodies insanity plea in a trial getting his case for the defense ready. These morons have 3 or so more years and this is going to be one long thread by the looks... Who the hell does Mr Toad work for anyway? It sure as hell isnt the Australian People. I didnt catch the whole story but the QLD senator who crossed the floor to vote against stripping the ACCC of its powers ( is that what it was in a nutshell? )? Who benefits from a consumer watchdog being stripped of its powers? And what sort of Government initiates such a thing and whos interests are they looking after? Theres got to be accountablity in all walks of life especially Government. When a government puts itself arrogantly above accountability it is treading down the path of totalitarianism....not very Australian. Riley even though I respect and understand your views on " excessive " unionism I feel it is a VITAL part of our society to be able to collectively stand up and stick up for one another especially the poor checkout chick at the local supermarket or Joe Service-Provider or Sally Call-Centre who are already getting screwed even before these proposed laws take effect. And if you think it wont affect you now think again......how secure is your current job? How secure do you think it will be if your employer can suddenly get someone "willing" ( and I use the term loosely ) to do the same work for less pay and no holidays? Noone will be immune...proffesionals even.....look at Telstras outsourcing of programmers recently... There is already talk of "importing " labour and skilled workers. Without an unfair dismissal safety net any employer could legally sack you with these words "Listen Ive got this guy who is willing to do this job for x dollars less...you have to understand its a business decision and nothing personal....of course if you signed a new agreement after I terminate you, you could keep this job " It would be as simple as that...the sad part is that they actually believe by driving down wages and conditions it benefits the business and creates more jobs....and makes us more competitive for overseas investment..what a load of crap....the savings will go straight to the shareholders who pocket the dividends and sell off for profit. Anyway these are just my views and if I had a handle on the future Id be going down to where Angelina Jolie was drinking tomorrow night. There should be a balance between large and small business interests and the rights of ordinary individuals. Unions play an important role in this. What seems to be happening a lot here and around the world, especially in the States, is a lot of polarisation ( no Santa not a reference to where you live and nothing to do with Bundy Rum either )... the either you are "with us or with them " mentality.....there doesnt seem to be any common ground, and thats what we need, not extremism from either side.....both sides have good and bad points and until we can forget which "side" we are on and maybe see the other guys point of view we might get somewhere. Businesses need to make money sure but workers need to have rights. In the meantime until Mr Toad gets his act together and starts working for the Australian People again.... ( maybe the only way he could achieve that is to just simply resign )...hes going to cop the stick from me and a hell of a lot of people I know. Actually apart from internet postings of support I havent actually met ANYONE who supports him currently..... Im not a political activist either Im just a regular guy.
riley454 Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 I'm not against unions by any means Mello Yello, there are many people who are taken advantage of by their employers and I see it regularly. But union power is often excessive and has given the useless employee a job that inhibits the progression of a potentially fruitful organisation. What happened to Darwinism? The strong survive and the weak are left to fend for themselves. The over-use of health and safety rules that impede the progress of many of the jobs I work on, only protect the dickheads who put their hand in a moving machine or walk in front of heavy equipment etc etc.! Fact is, the same dickheads remove machine guards, still walk in front of trucks and STILL break their leg running up stairs! No wonder humans haven't evolved much in the last few centuries!
riley454 Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 And why does everyone believe they deserve a job? Go out and EARN your place in the world!
mello yello Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 But union power is often excessive and has given the useless employee a job that inhibits the progression of a potentially fruitful organisation. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If they failed to select the right person for the job then I would blame the HR officer for making a bad choice in the first place, not blame the union for being unable to sack him. If he warrants being sacked then there is nothing to stop them. If he is useless because the organisation cannot find work for him then once again they have bad salesmen. If he is redundant then they can terminate him as well. What they cant do is pass judgement based on perceptions or even comparisons and deprive him of his livelyhood....that becomes unfair and unlawful and thats when unions step in. Obviously this organisation would have been more fruitful if it had better management. What happened to Darwinism? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I wasnt aware that "Darwinism" was ever an Industrial Policy. It is after all just a theory A lot of our common laws are designed to prevent the Law Of The Jungle to separate us from the animals. It has taken a long time for us to evolve into an intelligent, compassionate and merciful species. Anything else would be going backwards. What happened to Darwinism? The strong survive and the weak are left to fend for themselves. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think thats been tried before ..... as recently as 1938-1945....lots of casualties. It might start out stomachable but very quickly gets out of hand. In the context of Industrial Relations....everyone deserves and has a guaranteed right to equality......work based on productivity actually disadvantages the disadvantaged....last time I looked this was still illegal.....maybe there are evil forces that want to change this but ultimately it HAS to stay this way. The over-use of health and safety rules that impede the progress of many of the jobs I work on, only protect the dickheads who put their hand in a moving machine or walk in front of heavy equipment etc etc.! Fact is, the same dickheads remove machine guards, still walk in front of trucks and STILL break their leg running up stairs! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wrong...they are only there to protect the organisation from lawsuits. How do you think smoking got banned in public places....fear of lawsuits. Its one of the only effective weapons to get proper safety practices in place. Accidents will always happen....unnecessary accidents should never happen. No wonder humans haven't evolved much in the last few centuries! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well we are still totally depedent on Nature for even our most basic requirement......Water... Sure we can get fancy with crop growing and Technology makes us feel pretty good about ourselves and all that but in the end we still depend on handouts from Mother Nature for survival. Just my spin cycle Riley, not trying to indoctrinate, educate or mass debate...what works for you, works for you ( just make sure youre in the union son lol )
riley454 Posted October 15, 2005 Posted October 15, 2005 Just my spin cycle Riley, not trying to indoctrinate, educate or mass debate...what works for you, works for you ( just make sure youre in the union son lol ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Haha! No offence taken. After all this is a FORUM. The Romans were wise enough to bring us a platform for free(!) speech and open to different ideas and opinions. And sorry, I avoid union jobs like the plague these days, otherwise I'd go broke as a contractor. But you do have some opinions worthy of further discussion If they failed to select the right person for the job then I would blame the HR officer for making a bad choice in the first place, not blame the union for being unable to sack him. If he warrants being sacked then there is nothing to stop them. If he is useless because the organisation cannot find work for him then once again they have bad salesmen. If he is redundant then they can terminate him as well. What they cant do is pass judgement based on perceptions or even comparisons and deprive him of his livelyhood....that becomes unfair and unlawful and thats when unions step in.Obviously this organisation would have been more fruitful if it had better management. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> HR people in large organisations can only rely on resumes to shortlist their applications for general staff, or they may have the resources to interview many, and that shortlist can only be based on the best bullsh1tters! I have never heard of a really bad resume or poor interview that has been rewarded in employment. Employee contracts at least give workers the chance to prove themselves for 1, 2, 3 or more months to prove their worth. Unfortunately too many are prostituted by contracts they can't understand! Many small businesses cannot afford to waste time interviewing people who promise the world and provide nothing. And quite often they will accept a referral from a mate, someone who is attractive or maybe someone they just feel more comfortable talking to. They may employ based on race, religion, looks, personality through gut instinct, even though anyone else may be better qualified. In my work(civil & general construction works) looks are unimportant but if I ran an office based business I would have the best looking chick at the front desk(if she could do the job) because it makes customers feel more comfortable than a fat pimply cow at the front desk! And even in my work, why would you keep someone on the payroll who can't get on with the other blokes? That reduces motivation of the other crew, but sacking him on that basis would be illegal! I wasnt aware that "Darwinism" was ever an Industrial Policy.It is after all just a theory A lot of our common laws are designed to prevent the Law Of The Jungle to separate us from the animals. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We are still animals as far as Mother Nature is concerned. Almost all animals neglect their weak and stupid for the good of the rest of their herd, nest, blah blah, but we waste too much time, money and resources trying to protect OUR weak links. Nature has its way of sorting the grain from the chaff but eventually nature evens things out, when humans don't solve the problems. Earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis etc. In the context of Industrial Relations....everyone deserves and has a guaranteed right to equality......work based on productivity actually disadvantages the disadvantaged....last time I looked this was still illegal.....<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not ever has anyone been equal and those that think they are would be eaten alive by Ms Nature without unions
Santa1503559644 Posted November 1, 2005 Author Posted November 1, 2005 A few new entries today: 1 - Howard's Immigration Department has spent almost $27,000 on rebranding itself... "People Are Our Business", has been printed on mugs, plastic water bottles and banners. Greens Senator Kerry Nettle says the department's money should be used to bring about genuine cultural change, rather than office trinkets. 2 - Howard's "rationalisation" of the CSIRO (it and the ABC being Howard's most hated government entities) continues ... Acting chief executive Ron Sandland recommends research into traditional areas like crops, livestock, medicine, drugs and renewable energy be scaled back. Instead, the report highlights cleaner forms of coal fired energy, minerals, biosecurity and exploration for coal, gas and oil as areas where research should be focussed. Rather than discovering a bird flu cure, Howard and his corporate backers would prefer the State subsidised oil exploration and development. Following Bush/Cheney's Alaskan success, Antarctica beckons... 3 - Howard disputes the ALP's claims that $55 million has been spent on his current IR propaganda. He says "just" $45.7 million. "$38.3 million is expected to be spent on advertising, research, creative agency costs and public affairs," he shrieked. "$2.7 million is expected to be spent on booklets and distribution costs. In addition, it is expected to cost $4.7 million for a call centre which continues to provide information to the community."
riley454 Posted November 1, 2005 Posted November 1, 2005 1 - Howard's Immigration Department has spent almost $27,000 on rebranding itself... "People Are Our Business", has been printed on mugs, plastic water bottles and banners. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Lets say there's 50 staff at the Immig Dept. 2 mugs each @ $2 ea = $200 2 bottles each @ $2 ea = $200 A few banners around the office, lets just round the whole bill up to $5000 What about the other $22 gorillas? Thank would be the cost to screen-print "People Are Our Business" on A-mountain Vanstones toga!
Foggy Posted November 1, 2005 Posted November 1, 2005 They really are a Feral government, but, the bludgers that we pay to keep them honest (i.e. "the opposition") are just as bad. It's the opposition's responsibility to find ways and means of representing alternate views and policies to ensure that we get some balance. If this opposition has not been able to get any evidence on the Ferals, given the number rorts and scams that are being perpetuated, then they are the most incompetent bunch of morons who do not deserve one tenth of the exhorbitant salaries and perks that they receive. ___________________________________________ fe·ral Pronunciation Key (fîrl, fr-) adj. a. Existing in a wild or untamed state. b. Having returned to an untamed state from domestication.
riley454 Posted November 1, 2005 Posted November 1, 2005 fe·ral Pronunciation Key (fîrl, fr-) adj. a. Existing in a wild or untamed state. b. Having returned to an untamed state from domestication. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And I thought it meant covering the whole nation! Pronunciation is the same in my often moderately unsober state
Foggy Posted November 1, 2005 Posted November 1, 2005 And I thought it meant covering the whole nation! Pronunciation is the same in my often moderately unsober state <{POST_SNAPBACK}> you crack me up riley, you always manage to one-up the previous post.
riley454 Posted November 1, 2005 Posted November 1, 2005 you crack me up riley, you always manage to one-up the previous post. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Bear with me Foggy, I'm working on yours. Be right with you. Just give me a minute. OK? Hang on, I see 'crack' and 'up' and 'post' Give me a sec and I'll give you some material that WON'T get me banned
Guest Phar Kennel Posted November 1, 2005 Posted November 1, 2005 Bear with me Foggy, I'm working on yours. Be right with you. Just give me a minute. OK? Hang on, I see 'crack' and 'up' and 'post' Give me a sec and I'll give you some material that WON'T get me banned <{POST_SNAPBACK}> White material?
Santa1503559644 Posted November 1, 2005 Author Posted November 1, 2005 UPDATE: Senior minister Eric Abetz has confirmed expenditure of $55 million, but Prime Minister John Howard insists the cost is much less than that. {From ABC News} Now that's the kind of team to run the country! Thanks, you Howard voters! Your frontbench team of Abbott & Costello could hardly have done a better routine!
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