minchjp Posted December 2, 2005 Posted December 2, 2005 The polls suggest that 50% of Australians beleive that Van Nguyen should have been hanged, so I was wondering, should Australia practice the death penalty? Personally, I believe that capital punishment is cruel and inhumane. I see capital punishment as the premeditated, calculated murder of a human being, to me it doesn't matter what they have done.
DrP Posted December 2, 2005 Posted December 2, 2005 No*. There is no crime that is so heinous as to require someone's like to be forfeit, no matter how much the media beats it up. *this has nothing to do with any religious stance, so don't go there
shinrai Posted December 2, 2005 Posted December 2, 2005 I believe in multiples. Multiple rapes, multiple child molestation, multiple murder. Those three easily demand expulsion from our society.
mello yello Posted December 2, 2005 Posted December 2, 2005 EYE FOR AN EYE. Scum don't deserve to live. Who decides who is scum?...you?....the Federales?..... Some would define anyone who wants to kill anybody as scum. Eye 4 an eye is practiced in the Middle East.....not here... .....next youll be saying its ok to launch rockets into crowded marketplaces to "get the scum" as you put it. Piss off
DavoNogo Posted December 2, 2005 Posted December 2, 2005 I don't believe in the death penalty... however, I believe all types of sex offenders (paedophiles, abusers, rapists) should all get the guillitine, down in the nether region.
shinrai Posted December 2, 2005 Posted December 2, 2005 As a parent i have to say that child sex offenders in this country get off far too easily. And that's not good enough. Children deserve to be protected in our society and we are failing them profusely. Multiple child sex offenders deserve the chair. No person deserves to live after destroying a young childs life in that way.
phase52001 Posted December 2, 2005 Posted December 2, 2005 No. Life in prison for serious crimes. And "life" should mean "life". You die (of old age) in prison. The reason? In the USA over recent years a number of toatlly innocent people on death row have been proven to be exactly that, and set free. (Due to new dna technology). JMO. BTW: Our great friend George W. Bush while Gov. of texas personally signed the death warrants of over 100 people, resulting in his nickname "The Texacutionor". (I hope I spelt that properly). And in case you missed it, in the US just yesterday the 1,000th person was executed since the US re-introduced the death penalty back in 1986.
Autocrat Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 EYE FOR AN EYE. Scum don't deserve to live. If the death penalty applied to Neanderthal bigots, you'd be the one of the first swingin'.
HDSTC Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 The polls suggest that 50% of Australians beleive that Van Nguyen should have been hanged, so I was wondering, should Australia practice the death penalty?Personally, I believe that capital punishment is cruel and inhumane. I see capital punishment as the premeditated, calculated murder of a human being, to me it doesn't matter what they have done. I dont believe in the death penalty , I think a lot of people do becuase some of the people that have committed terrible crimes,serve their sentence and committ further crimes. A number of Forum members have used the Economic argument " why should my taxes etc " If that line is accepted whats next , If you smoke no free medical, if your old and not paying tax you get bumped off, retarded kids killed cos they cant work and pay tax. Round up the homeless cos they dont contribute and bump them off, thats what Hitler did to his own people. The notion that the Death Penalty is a determent clearly does not stack up , Singapore has executed 400 in 12 years , currently 1 every 2 weeks.
minchjp Posted December 3, 2005 Author Posted December 3, 2005 A number of Forum members have used the Economic argument " why should my taxes etc " I completely agree, you can't put a price on a human life, you just can't.
Santa1503559644 Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 (edited) EYE FOR AN EYE. Scum don't deserve to live. Thanks for the thread, minchjp. I know we haven't always seen eye2eye on many of the bits of fat chewed in this forum, but this thread has allowed Mazda6 to speak up and really underline his worth. I seem to recall in previous politically flavoured threads, Mazda6 was really at the clown end of the spectrum in terms of blindly defending his masters and their positions. Well, now at least he can shine bright, with the brilliant simplicity such a tiny mind provides, untroubled by the complexities of reality. As a parent i have to say that child sex offenders in this country get off far too easily. And that's not good enough.Children deserve to be protected in our society and we are failing them profusely. Multiple child sex offenders deserve the chair. No person deserves to live after destroying a young childs life in that way. Its probably better that after a first (real) offence, they lose a certain pair of attachments. After that, the chances of any repeat performance are miniscule. (And if they do, then its time for the donations to medicine.) Edited December 3, 2005 by Santa
DavoNogo Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 Its probably better that after a first (real) offence, they lose a certain pair of attachments.After that, the chances of any repeat performance are miniscule. (And if they do, then its time for the donations to medicine.) ECHO... echo... echo...
Tweet Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 (edited) Politics has always determined the implementation of the death penalty or not and politics to a large extent runs our lives,as to what we can and can not do. In a country like ours where we have a freedom of speech and a right to dissent, if it does not induce civil disobedience, we have the previlage to castigate our politicians for the laws they pass. These privilages are precious to the makeup of our society and should be protected at all cost. There are many societies in the world today where taking such previlages would cost one's life,where the death penalty is used for polictical control of dissent. There is no moral value attached to it, it is used simply to maintain the political status quo. In more liberal societies like ours where we can have open debate on virtually any subject, the death penalty issue is one of a 'moral' debate. We all recognise this,but with this liberty we all share comes also a moral responsibility to one another,and that is, that we do not afford harm to one another by endangering another's life. If we do so ,depending on the mitigating circumstances,we are liable to suffer under the prevailing laws of the State. The point to be made is that there are some crimes so hienous to common humanity that such perpetrators should be put to death for the sake of human decency. C.M Edited December 3, 2005 by Tweet
djOS Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 (edited) I believe in multiples.Multiple rapes, multiple child molestation, multiple murder. Those three easily demand expulsion from our society. Agreed, but I would add upper echeon Drug Lords and their henchmen to the mix too! Personally I think Extra Crispy would be the go! :ph34r: Oh and think of the Minimum $40,000 per year we would save per Serial Killer/Serial Rapist/Serial Peadophile we would save ourselves as Tax payers. Its probably better that after a first (real) offence, they lose a certain pair of attachments.After that, the chances of any repeat performance are miniscule. (And if they do, then its time for the donations to medicine.) Santa the problem with Kiddie Fiddlers is that they normally only get caught after damaging multiple Kids - Carstration is too good for them imo. Edited December 3, 2005 by djos
Dork(original) Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 As a parent i have to say that child sex offenders in this country get off far too easily. And that's not good enough.Children deserve to be protected in our society and we are failing them profusely. Multiple child sex offenders deserve the chair. No person deserves to live after destroying a young childs life in that way. Shinrai,it is beyond a joke.A male cannot sit next to a child on a plane and what about the movies if a child sits next to me should i get up and change seats or risk being accused of being a child molester. Paul
Mazda6 Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 Who decides who is scum?...you?....the Federales?.....Some would define anyone who wants to kill anybody as scum. Eye 4 an eye is practiced in the Middle East.....not here... .....next youll be saying its ok to launch rockets into crowded marketplaces to "get the scum" as you put it. Piss off OK, if (and I'm not wishing this on anyone) someone murders, rapes or hurts someone close to you. Lets just send them to a Country Club for 20 years. Is that how you want justice to be? C'mon! You mentioned rockets, not me. Don't twist things please, it's pathetic.
Mazda6 Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 Well, now at least he can shine bright, with the brilliant simplicity such a tiny mind provides, untroubled by the complexities of reality. And what are you, a genius? I think you need a dose of reality Santa, you have been stuck at the South Pole for too long!
Skid_MacMarx Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 EYE FOR AN EYE. Scum don't deserve to live. The bleeding hearts and artists let him gat away with murder For those, like this post who take such a simplistic response to complex issues. . . [and it is not the only reason I'm against capital punishment] They should consider this.... With all the corrupt dogs [police], corrupt/unjust judical system, corrupt politicans, corrupt conglomo executives, corrupt governors etc....how long would it be before this becomes a tool to reduce dissent. . . no safeguard would protect you from misuse I'm sure Mazda6 could not present any safeguards that would stop such abuse..
Mazda6 Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 The bleeding hearts and artists let him gat away with murder For those, like this post who take such a simplistic response to complex issues. . . [and it is not the only reason I'm against capital punishment] They should consider this.... With all the corrupt dogs [police], corrupt/unjust judical system, corrupt politicans, corrupt conglomo executives, corrupt governors etc....how long would it be before this becomes a tool to reduce dissent. . . no safeguard would protect you from misuse I'm sure Mazda6 could not present any safeguards that would stop such abuse.. Oh well, why don't we just get rid of the police force, politicans, executives, governors alltogether because they must be all corrupt. Then again why don't we just let all the prisoners lose because of the small chance the judge who sentenced him/her was corrupt. Innocent until proven guilty, I do believe in that philosophy. Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world, otherwise these debates would be totally unecessary. I admit mistakes and corruption does happen, there's no denying that. Thats life, deal with it! My responses may be simplistic because I have better things to do, actually my Mazda needs a wash. Ciao!
HDSTC Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 And what are you, a genius? I think you need a dose of reality Santa, you have been stuck at the South Pole for too long! Santa is no genius just someone capable of forming original ideas and opinions, a concept some ignorant uninformed people find difficult to understand
Mazda6 Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 Its probably better that after a first (real) offence, they lose a certain pair of attachments.After that, the chances of any repeat performance are miniscule. (And if they do, then its time for the donations to medicine.) YES, Santa something we both agree on. I like it! Cheers Santa Santa is no genius just someone capable of forming original ideas and opinions, a concept some ignorant uninformed people find difficult to understand That must make you a sheep! Who informed you?
HDSTC Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 YES, Santa something we both agree on. I like it!Cheers Santa That must make you a sheep! Who informed you? You really are quite the interlectual, here's a big word you can use " Wheelbarrow " feel free to use it around your friend ( Cletus or was it Billy Ray )
Santa1503559644 Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 ECHO... echo... echo... Didn't notice your post! Oh well, demented minds, and all that... And what are you, a genius? I think you need a dose of reality Santa, you have been stuck at the South Pole for too long! I'll let the historians decide! Now, to those who think there should be a death penality for paedophiles, drug smugglers, etc. Please consider this: If someone: *assualts/abducts a kid or *deals in drugs and believes they may be aprehended, then, if the default "mandatory" penalty is death, they have nothing to lose by committing murder. Thus, the kid may be killed to cover up the crime ... stop him/her talking - the penalty is no worse, and the chances of capture/punishment could be less. Witnesses of drug dealers may be killed to stop them talking (whats a life worth ... if your punishment for a dozen murders is the same as smuggling/dealing in drugs?) Police may be murdered if they close in on the trail of drug dealers, smugglers, etc. And so-on. The moment you make life cheap ... you make life cheap. And, of course, what eye4eye punishment when GWB fries yet another innocent man? Do you fry GWB?
DavoNogo Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 Oh well, demented minds, and all that... That happens more often than not here
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