murrayt Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 Davonogo That's the thing, if the DVD authoring program rejects the video, how are you going to make the DVD using that program? Of course, you could just use a different program to make the DVD, but that's besides the point, especially since people here are very specific with the programs they want to use to make their DVDs. The thing about well developed DVD Authoring tools is that they will warn you if the Mpeg file is non-compliant, but if you accept the warning, it allows you to Author in the belief that you know what you are doing, and that your DVD player can cope with the "non compliant" result. Details such as the combined bit rate header, the number of frames/GOP are common areas of non-compliance, but many DVDplayers are happy to play the result even though the bitrate header was 15 Mb/s or the frames per GOP was higher than 15. Resolutions that deviate from the norm are also common. But try and author a 576p file and it will reasonably reject the request. I'm surprised that you haven't come across these issues in your experience. Perhaps you don't author disks as a rule ?
DavoNogo Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 Well I never convert anything to anything, so the only failure rate I get is caused by my DVD burner, which is pretty darn crap if you ask me... I've got a Pioneer A08XLB and Sony DRU700a, both of which can't burn at their rated speeds and I'm force to burn at a fraction of the speed, so instead of burning at 8x on an 8x disc (with a 16x burner) I'm forced to burn at 6x, otherwise the failure rate is 50%, 75% for a 12x burn on a 16x disc and 100% at 16x... and instead of burning 8x on an 8x disc (with an 8x burner), I'm forced to burn at 4x, otherwise the failure rate is 100%, or 50% at 6x on an 8x disc on an 8x burner (Did that make any sense?) ps. I only burn Data DVDs, not Video DVDs.
murrayt Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 DavoNogo Maybe you should take a more relaxed approach to these things. Some of us can get to nearly 100% success with these things. It just take a little while longer. But it works every time. Don't blame the technology, think about the the approach ! I can't speak for the Pioneer but My Sony's deliver the goods for me.
DavoNogo Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 (edited) nah, I think I'll be going the BenQ route next... and if that fails, Plextor... As I said, I can get 100% success rate with burning, but only at reduced speeds.. and this is with media that's supposed to be great (Ritek, Ridata, TDK, TTY).. I've yet to try Verbatim though, I've heard good things about those... I've burnt around 850+ discs or so and have had around 39 coasters Edited January 3, 2006 by DavoNogo
murrayt Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 Davonogo Verbatim is good, but you have missed the point I think. The outcome is only as good as the total processing chain. If all the elements cannot sustain the outcome then you will get failure. Reducing the writing speed reduces the demands on all components, and voila a good result. A 7% failure rate donesn't sound too good to me.
DavoNogo Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 I miscounted.. make that a 4.5% failure rate... most of the failures were testing one or two discs from a fresh new batch of spindles at their rated speeds. I think an Athlon XP 3200+ with 2GB of DDR400 RAM is a decent enough system for burning, with nothing else running in the background, though I haven't always had that... my previous system was an Athlon XP 2500+ with 1.5gb of RAM and before that an Athlon XP 2400+ with 1gb of RAM This is over a span of a few years obviously.
DrP Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 That's a pretty bad failure rate. I have a Pioneer DVR110 now that my Liteon packed it in. The Pioneer combined with TY and to a far lesser degree Princo discs as had excellent results. I can't say exactly how many discs have gone through it, but it'd be 300+ and I've only had maybe two discs fail so far. That's writing the discs at their full rated speed too.
DavoNogo Posted January 4, 2006 Posted January 4, 2006 What burning program are you using? Do you verify your discs (if possible)?
digitaladvisor Posted January 4, 2006 Posted January 4, 2006 Observations of burning with NEWER Dual layer Pioneer DVR110: 1. RiTek full white generic label- no failure / DVD playback faultless in Samsung standalone DVD player* 2. A cheap batch of discs that FAILED in a Sony DVD single layer 4 speed burner randomly DOES NOT fail at all to burn consistently with the newer Pioneer burner 3. Nero 6 utilised / no verification / speed @ detected media capability / AMD 3000xp / 512 MB RAM 4. Tech blurb claims a newer type of laser tracking head that can 'tilt' / adjust to micro uneven surface media. * this DVD player is sensitive to uneven surface / dust / scratch DVD/CD media etc. DA
DrP Posted January 4, 2006 Posted January 4, 2006 What burning program are you using? Do you verify your discs (if possible)? Nero, verify and then check to see if the contents is valid (because I had a nasty experience with Nero saying it verified, but Nero had actually written crap to the disc and then verified that is was crap after writing it)
DavoNogo Posted January 4, 2006 Posted January 4, 2006 (because I had a nasty experience with Nero saying it verified, but Nero had actually written crap to the disc and then verified that is was crap after writing it) I was about to comment on that... some of the failed burns I've had successfully passed Nero's verification process, but failed completely when I used Nero's own ScanDisc tool (Start -> Programs -> Nero -> Tools -> Nero CD-DVD Speed) btw, I'm using Nero 7 here and find that it really does depend on the burner, and not on the burning program.
digitaladvisor Posted January 4, 2006 Posted January 4, 2006 ...........find that it really does depend on the burner, and not on the burning program. I agree but would add bad quality level / uneven spinning media causes laser tracking issues on less then tolerant readers. DA
DavoNogo Posted January 4, 2006 Posted January 4, 2006 yeah well my Pioneer A08XLB was meant to be the cream of the crop at the time - http://www.pioneer.com.au/computer/dvdwrit...08xl/index.html So was the Sony (at the time it was released) ...just found out that there's a DVR-A10XL now... as tempting as it may be, I'm never going to buy another Pioneer ever again (after having owned and/or tested quite a few).. definately will get that BenQ (can't afford the Plextor at this time, even though the 18x drive is extremely alluring)
murrayt Posted January 4, 2006 Posted January 4, 2006 Davonogo I read in one of the forums around the place that Nero 7 has some bugs and performance problems (no doubt that will be resolved in time) Perhaps roll back to version 6 and see if performance is close to 100% Let us all know as that would be useful
DavoNogo Posted January 4, 2006 Posted January 4, 2006 Actually, the majority of the coasters were with Nero 6. I've only made maybe 3 or 4 coasters with Nero 7, just for testing purposes.
TonkleChicken Posted January 5, 2006 Posted January 5, 2006 Observations of burning with NEWER Dual layer Pioneer DVR110: I have two DVR110 (Not the 110D) and they are fine. The only observation I can make is that these units, as I expect many others are, are not reliable buting slow media at fast rates. (Obvious I would have thought) The only exception to the rule is that for some strage reason, my "Antique" Pioneer DVD Player I bought 8 Years ago can play x4 disks that have been burnt by the DVR-110 at x8, but my other New Sony DVD Player and Notebook has problems with them. Simple rule, Burn only to the media manufacturers maximum rated speed.
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