Stephen Dawson Posted August 15, 2006 Posted August 15, 2006 I toddled along to the Sony Experience expo in Sydney last week and had a look at their product line up. They've got some new 1080 LCD TVs and a 1080 RPTV (using SXRD - their LCoS system) coming soon. But the most interesting thing was a mock-up of a projector called the VPL-VW50. They didn't have much to say about it, except that it is due (they claim) in October and will be priced under the VPL-VW100 (currently ($15,000). It uses similar SXRD technology. Oh, and it is full HD: 1,920 by 1,080 pixels. More here.
dvduser Posted August 15, 2006 Posted August 15, 2006 I toddled along to the Sony Experience expo in Sydney last week and had a look at their product line up. They've got some new 1080 LCD TVs and a 1080 RPTV (using SXRD - their LCoS system) coming soon. But the most interesting thing was a mock-up of a projector called the VPL-VW50. They didn't have much to say about it, except that it is due (they claim) in October and will be priced under the VPL-VW100 (currently ($15,000). It uses similar SXRD technology. Oh, and it is full HD: 1,920 by 1,080 pixels.More here. As the Iron Chef would say - BRING IT ON
norpus Posted August 15, 2006 Posted August 15, 2006 I toddled along to the Sony Experience expo in Sydney last week and had a look at their product line up. They've got some new 1080 LCD TVs and a 1080 RPTV (using SXRD - their LCoS system) coming soon. But the most interesting thing was a mock-up of a projector called the VPL-VW50. They didn't have much to say about it, except that it is due (they claim) in October and will be priced under the VPL-VW100 (currently ($15,000). It uses similar SXRD technology. Oh, and it is full HD: 1,920 by 1,080 pixels.More here. Nice blog Stephen
Stephen Dawson Posted August 15, 2006 Author Posted August 15, 2006 Nice blog StephenThanks. Did I read your sig correctly? 'Recently obsoleted (sold off) spare gear Hitachi PJTX100 720p projector, 92" pulldown 16:9 screen, Dgtec 2000A footie, Momitsu V880, Sony STRB940 avr, Dream 5.1 spkrs, SW200 sub, B&W603'. You got rid of B&W603 speakers? Nice speakers those. What did you replace them with?
norpus Posted August 15, 2006 Posted August 15, 2006 Thanks. Did I read your sig correctly? 'Recently obsoleted (sold off) spare gear Hitachi PJTX100 720p projector, 92" pulldown 16:9 screen, Dgtec 2000A footie, Momitsu V880, Sony STRB940 avr, Dream 5.1 spkrs, SW200 sub, B&W603'. You got rid of B&W603 speakers? Nice speakers those. What did you replace them with? Yes, bartered the 603 for some electrical work on the HT by a mate who needed a small 2ch setup. Also had bought 802d - even nicer see middle photo showing both 603 and 802d http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?s=&...st&p=388530
Highjinx Posted August 15, 2006 Posted August 15, 2006 Stephen, been visiting your excellent site for many a while now. I heard the Pearl (VPL-VW50) is poised to retail for half the price of the Ruby(VPL-VW100) with a UHP lamp instead of the pricey Xenon as found in the Ruby. Supposed to 5000:1 on/off Cr with the Dynamic iris off and 15000:1 with it on. 900 lumens, 2 HDMI inputs, HDMI 1.3 if we are lucky! Should find quite a following if the price is as speculated.
Jliang70 Posted August 15, 2006 Posted August 15, 2006 I toddled along to the Sony Experience expo in Sydney last week and had a look at their product line up. They've got some new 1080 LCD TVs and a 1080 RPTV (using SXRD - their LCoS system) coming soon. But the most interesting thing was a mock-up of a projector called the VPL-VW50. They didn't have much to say about it, except that it is due (they claim) in October and will be priced under the VPL-VW100 (currently ($15,000). It uses similar SXRD technology. Oh, and it is full HD: 1,920 by 1,080 pixels.More here. I just hope this projector does not have the sort of shortcoming that VPL-VW100 has and by selling it below the price of VPL-VW100 I hope Sony does not screw its customer as hard as it did on the replace lamp with this new projector as it did with VW100. replacement lamp for VW100 is close to USD1000.
Highjinx Posted August 15, 2006 Posted August 15, 2006 I just hope this projector does not have the sort of shortcoming that VPL-VW100 has and by selling it below the price of VPL-VW100 I hope Sony does not screw its customer as hard as it did on the replace lamp with this new projector as it did with VW100. replacement lamp for VW100 is close to USD1000. It's comes with a UHP lamp. Replacement will be cheep, cheep or maybe just Cheap!
Spero D. Posted August 15, 2006 Posted August 15, 2006 It will be interesting to see at what price point the Sony Pearl (VPL-VW50) will be released here. Here are some more pictures of it- http://www.avbuzz.com/audio-video/200608/sony-50/index.htm BTW Stephen nice site.
Highjinx Posted August 15, 2006 Posted August 15, 2006 It will be interesting to see at what price point the Sony Pearl (VPL-VW50) will be released here. Here are some more pictures of it-http://www.avbuzz.com/audio-video/200608/sony-50/index.htm BTW Stephen nice site. Spizz from your thread at AVS on the Pearl, it appears the RRP in the States will be $5k and street for $4k that is mighty tasty!. Considering the price of the Sony HS60 was the cheapest here....but then again the Ruby was more expensive here...ah well 2 months to go!
benthx Posted August 15, 2006 Posted August 15, 2006 Spizz from your thread at AVS on the Pearl, it appears the RRP in the States will be $5k and street for $4k that is mighty tasty!. Considering the price of the Sony HS60 was the cheapest here....but then again the Ruby was more expensive here...ah well 2 months to go! This is good price! This will also have a positive affect for hd dlp. It will help price correct the market. Thanks SONY Bring it on! Ben
ajm1503559545 Posted August 15, 2006 Posted August 15, 2006 Ahhh... a pro Sony thread and Highjinx along to pump it up. Much like night follows day. Why not be upfront and declare your interest, Highjinx? Surely sooner rather than later. I can't imagine I'm the only one who's notice this pattern. Regardless a ~$4000US street price for a 1080p projector will make this thing walk off the shelves if there's not much competition. Although Sony have a habit of ignoring what everyone else does with price and over price most things. The next wave sure will be interesting.
Highjinx Posted August 15, 2006 Posted August 15, 2006 Ahhh... a pro Sony thread and Highjinx along to pump it up. Much like night follows day.Why not be upfront and declare your interest, Highjinx? Surely sooner rather than later. I can't imagine I'm the only one who's notice this pattern. Regardless a ~$4000US street price for a 1080p projector will make this thing walk off the shelves if there's not much competition. Although Sony have a habit of ignoring what everyone else does with price and over price most things. The next wave sure will be interesting. LOL ajm! No ties to SONY!. Just like that they innovate(more so than many others), hey! some products bomb, some succeed!. I have a couple of Sony TV's including a Profeel that never misses a beat, bought in 87'(amazing clarity/quality) and computer monitor as well as an EIZO with a Sony tube...same story, just so good! OooH! Ahhh! When your on a good thing.........XOX...........!
cwt Posted August 15, 2006 Posted August 15, 2006 More here. Stephen ;sorry to be offtopic but your article about pal de-interlacing has me concerned.I own a pioneer 989 dvd player and it can put out 576i over hdmi [ one of few]. It uses a pure cinema mode for de-interlacing to progressive and I have four options- Auto 1 [the default] ;Auto 2 ; ON or OFF. The manual says use one of the last 3 if the picture is unnatural. Which would you pick ? Is OFF the equivalent of forcing film mode ? Any comment appreciated.
cyril Posted August 15, 2006 Posted August 15, 2006 Sorry to hijack the thread, but Stephen, your ariticle on PAL DVD's and progressive flags supports what I have suspected for a long time. I have found 9/10 that when setting up most players and panel displays that the best results still occur when interlace is sent and let the display sort it out. Thanks for the heads up on this. Cyril
Stephen Dawson Posted August 15, 2006 Author Posted August 15, 2006 Sorry to hijack the thread, but Stephen, your ariticle on PAL DVD's and progressive flags supports what I have suspected for a long time. I have found 9/10 that when setting up most players and panel displays that the best results still occur when interlace is sent and let the display sort it out.For those wondering what all this is about, I've recently (and probably belatedly, as is the way of these things) discovered major problems with the use of progressive PAL output from DVD players. In short, the problem is that virtually all PAL movie discs carry a scan mode flag of 'interlaced'. When a DVD player is working out how to deinterlace a DVD, it looks at that flag, sees what it says, and decides to use the deinterlacer for video-sourced material, whereas these discs are mostly film sourced. The result is reduced vertical resolution, poor handling of fine diagonals and moire patterns on some finely spaced repeating lines. That applies to progressive scan output via component video and HDMI (most DVD players are progressive only -- ignoring 1080i, which fixes nothing).The way around it is to force your DVD player into 'cinema' or 'film' mode ... if it has such a mode. Otherwise you'll get a better picture using component video output set to interlaced and let the display device do the deinterlacing. More here.
Stephen Dawson Posted August 15, 2006 Author Posted August 15, 2006 Stephen ;sorry to be offtopic but your article about pal de-interlacing has me concerned.I own a pioneer 989 dvd player and it can put out 576i over hdmi [ one of few]. It uses a pure cinema mode for de-interlacing to progressive and I have four options- Auto 1 [the default] ;Auto 2 ; ON or OFF. The manual says use one of the last 3 if the picture is unnatural. Which would you pick ? Is OFF the equivalent of forcing film mode ? Any comment appreciated.I don't have one of these before me so all I can do is give you some hints. First, try the 'ON' setting. I suspect this will force film mode deinterlacing and you'll get a wonderful picture.To be certain, take any decent quality PAL movie DVD, and play the scrolling credits at the end. White on black background credits are the best. Watch closely any lower case 'e' as it scrolls upwards. If the curve at the top kind of flickers with horizontal scan lines, the DVD player is bobbing the video. Try the different options in the DVD player and repeat until the characters remain well formed as they scroll upwards. A more obvious test is looking for moire patterns. If you have the DVD 'Gigi' (try hiring it from your local video store), go to a scene starting at 34 minutes 16 seconds. There is a smart-mouthed barber shaving an older guy. The barber has a vest with a yellow front and narrow horizontal black lines across it. If the setting is wrong moire patterns will repeatedly wash across his vest in certain sections of the scene. It will be interesting to see at what price point the Sony Pearl (VPL-VW50) will be released here. Here are some more pictures of it-http://www.avbuzz.com/audio-video/200608/sony-50/index.htm BTW Stephen nice site. Thanks! Buy hey, not fair, my photo's only of a wooden mockup and the photos you link to are the real thing! The Sony guys made bit of a song and dance about how hard it was to get even a mockup for the show. I didn't want to speculate on the price, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it at, say, $9,995. If, as has been suggested, it comes in at around half the VPL-VW100 price (ie. it sells for around $7,500), I think Sony had better start getting in container loads. What I'd like to see improved over the VW100 is even light coverage on the screen. When I used that projector the extreme corners were different to the middle, although to be fair I didn't notice during movie viewing, just during blue screen display.
Stephen Dawson Posted August 16, 2006 Author Posted August 16, 2006 Stephen ;sorry to be offtopic but your article about pal de-interlacing has me concerned.I own a pioneer 989 dvd player and it can put out 576i over hdmi [ one of few]. It uses a pure cinema mode for de-interlacing to progressive and I have four options- Auto 1 [the default] ;Auto 2 ; ON or OFF. The manual says use one of the last 3 if the picture is unnatural. Which would you pick ? Is OFF the equivalent of forcing film mode ? Any comment appreciated.I've just remembered that I have a Pioneer DVR-530H, so as it turns out I can give you advice. The 530H only has analogue component video output, but the net effect is the same.As I suspected, switching the Pure Cinema mode to 'on' invokes the proper deinterlacing circuitry for this unit. Any of the other three settings degrades the image quality from PAL movie DVDs. But you will need to switch this back to 'off' or one of the auto settings if you're playing a truly interlaced source, otherwise you will get severe combing (I've just checked this). Alternatively, see if your display supports 576i over HDMI. If it does, see how it handles the signal using the suggestions I made in the earlier email. I'm using the InFocus IN76 which uses Pixelworks DNX for scaling and deinterlacing. With this projector, if you feed it with a 576i signal and switch 'film mode' to 'on', it will switch automatically between film and video deinterlacing modes according to the combing it detects within the picture. See if your display can manage this.
zorg1503559539 Posted August 16, 2006 Posted August 16, 2006 great info and site stephen can't wait to see this when it comes out and hopefully a great price as well....
cwt Posted August 17, 2006 Posted August 17, 2006 I've just remembered that I have a Pioneer DVR-530H, so as it turns out I can give you advice. The 530H only has analogue component video output, but the net effect is the same.As I suspected, switching the Pure Cinema mode to 'on' invokes the proper deinterlacing circuitry for this unit. Any of the other three settings degrades the image quality from PAL movie DVDs. But you will need to switch this back to 'off' or one of the auto settings if you're playing a truly interlaced source, otherwise you will get severe combing (I've just checked this). Alternatively, see if your display supports 576i over HDMI. If it does, see how it handles the signal using the suggestions I made in the earlier email. I'm using the InFocus IN76 which uses Pixelworks DNX for scaling and deinterlacing. With this projector, if you feed it with a 576i signal and switch 'film mode' to 'on', it will switch automatically between film and video deinterlacing modes according to the combing it detects within the picture. See if your display can manage this. Thanks very much Stephen; I truly got lucky buying the Pio . Dont have any video sourced dvds thankfully but the Pio has memory presets I can bring up on screen so I dont have to burrow into sub menus.Remember me mentioning the IN76 a few months ago ? I was concerned with Faroudjas handling of de-interlacing of 1080i- needless to say your information on film mode is truly serendipitous .The replace globe warning has just come up on my Sony VPW 10HT -time for an IN76.All I have at the moment is prog component.
Luke.VDC Posted August 22, 2006 Posted August 22, 2006 Well this projector sure will be a hot seller. At the official price point of $7999, it will be outstanding value for money. Sony sure are being quite aggressive to compete against DLP. The pricing of the SXRD rear pro's arent bad either compared to what was first thought. The 70" SXRD is $7999 and the 60" $5999.
norpus Posted August 22, 2006 Posted August 22, 2006 Well this projector sure will be a hot seller. At the official price point of $7999, it will be outstanding value for money. Sony sure are being quite aggressive to compete against DLP.The pricing of the SXRD rear pro's arent bad either compared to what was first thought. The 70" SXRD is $7999 and the 60" $5999. Nice price. Will be tempting...
RodN Posted August 22, 2006 Posted August 22, 2006 I can't wait for these projectors, think of the possibilities with the new format players coming out. True 24p film source material at 1080 all digital from disk to screen, can anyone say SWEET!
Stephen Dawson Posted August 22, 2006 Author Posted August 22, 2006 I can't wait for these projectors, think of the possibilities with the new format players coming out. True 24p film source material at 1080 all digital from disk to screen, can anyone say SWEET! I'm not sure that Aussie Blu-ray and HD-DVD discs will be able to take advantage of 24p. I suspect we will most likely get 1080p/25 or 1080p/50 for reasons of backwards compatibility. The reasons are here. Of course, I could be wrong. Please advise if I am.
cwt Posted August 22, 2006 Posted August 22, 2006 I'm not sure that Aussie Blu-ray and HD-DVD discs will be able to take advantage of 24p. I suspect we will most likely get 1080p/25 or 1080p/50 for reasons of backwards compatibility.The reasons are here. Of course, I could be wrong. Please advise if I am. Stephen ;going off topic but my Sony DVP-NS730 DVD player is another that can be forced into film mode for de-interlacing -should be easy to sell now
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