TommyGNR Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Wow, compare with Preacher's $6600, this is a whopping $900 difference!!! I checked with a supplier in Sydney. There is no stock yet. But the price should be well below $7000. Patience is required now. The best price from a bricks and mortar specialist AV store I have found is $7000 from Trevor Lees which isn't as disparate.
DuyKha Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 (edited) Just saw it at TAV, and I have to say, WOW!!! If things are going to get better than this then we are all truly blessed! Time to talk to the financial controller me thinks. By the way, they are charging around $7500 Hi adumicic, what screen (type and size) were they projecting the Pearl onto? Last time I was at TAV to demo the Ruby, they were projecting onto Stewart gray screen which I thought did go very well with the Ruby. Majority of owners over at avsforum are matching the Pearl up with the Dalite High Power screens (via table/shelf mount). DuyK Edited October 25, 2006 by DuyK
Foggy Posted October 26, 2006 Posted October 26, 2006 If someone does intend to audition the Pearl, could you please take a standard DVD with you to see how it performs with SD content. Every time I've seen a Ruby on display, it's always been connected to a BluRay player showing slow moving Sony HD demo loops. Given Sony's track record of marketing over performance, I wouldn't be surprised if they pull the same trick again with the Pearl.
djOS Posted October 26, 2006 Posted October 26, 2006 Yes, but the HC5000 will have the superior video processing for 576i and 1080i video. Decisions, decidions... The HC5000 is under $3,900 AUD (inc shipping) from PriceJapan. Now that is very tempting, I might get one around march next year (birthday present to self). PS. it has been confirmed that the LCD panels are the new non-organic variety!
norpus Posted October 26, 2006 Posted October 26, 2006 The HC5000 is under $3,900 AUD (inc shipping) from PriceJapan. Now that is very tempting, I might get one around march next year (birthday present to self). PS. it has been confirmed that the LCD panels are the new non-organic variety! Djos, I wonder what are the black levels and in scene contrast like compared to the pe8720? (same price point). Whilst the specs on the LCD with the iris etc look spectacular, I'd love to see one beside a dlp to check the reality. If it is as good, that would be a winner. Will your mate Samhain be getting one in to BPP I wonder? And to keep on topic, obviously a comparo of these features with the pearl would be mandatory also, given lcos should have superior fill factor but maybe some inferior features also? (Mainly) a demo will tell what is more important to each prospective customer.
Foggy Posted October 26, 2006 Posted October 26, 2006 Djos, I wonder what are the black levels and in scene contrast like compared to the pe8720? (same price point). Whilst the specs on the LCD with the iris etc look spectacular, I'd love to see one beside a dlp to check the reality. If it is as good, that would be a winner.Will your mate Samhain be getting one in to BPP I wonder? I have asked Samhain this question, and he said that he will be getting getting it in, but they still have no confirmation of pricing or date from Mitsubishi Australia.
DuyKha Posted October 26, 2006 Posted October 26, 2006 Latest advertised brick & mortar AV store (Soundcorp) in South Melbourne price (as per today's Greenguide in The Age) is $6,499. And they have them in stock. Cheers, DuyK
Foggy Posted October 26, 2006 Posted October 26, 2006 I have asked Samhain this question, and he said that he will be getting getting it in, but they still have no confirmation of pricing or date from Mitsubishi Australia. I just called Samhain to ask the question again, and he said that the rep told him that the HC5000 would be here next month.... still no definitive pricing though.
djOS Posted October 26, 2006 Posted October 26, 2006 Djos, I wonder what are the black levels and in scene contrast like compared to the pe8720? (same price point). Whilst the specs on the LCD with the iris etc look spectacular, I'd love to see one beside a dlp to check the reality. If it is as good, that would be a winner.Will your mate Samhain be getting one in to BPP I wonder? And to keep on topic, obviously a comparo of these features with the pearl would be mandatory also, given lcos should have superior fill factor but maybe some inferior features also? (Mainly) a demo will tell what is more important to each prospective customer. yeah me too, I really like the image stability of LCD but the blacks on DLP are so much better (eg 8720) - im very curious to see if the HC5000 can match it with the 720p/1080p DLP PJ's and the Sony SXRD PJ's. PS. the black levels on my HS50 really sh!t me now
The_Preacher1973 Posted October 26, 2006 Posted October 26, 2006 yeah me too, I really like the image stability of LCD but the blacks on DLP are so much better (eg 8720) - im very curious to see if the HC5000 can match it with the 720p/1080p DLP PJ's and the Sony SXRD PJ's.PS. the black levels on my HS50 really sh!t me now The HC5000 can't match it with the SXRD or DLP's for black level. It has closed the gap significantly though. Previous D5 panels (AE900, Z4 etc) had a native CR of 450:1. D6's reportedly have about 1500:1 while DC3 I think are about 2500:1. The D6's don't let as much light leak around the pixels as the old D5's. They have closed the gap to SXRD and DLP in other ways though. The switch to inorganic materials means we're no longer at the mercy of PJ manufacturer's QA with regards to what's acceptable vertical banding. Apparently there shouldn't be any VB on these new panels. The panels shouldn't suffer from breakdown due to heat either. So improved contrast, no VB and greater longevity. I believe the Pearl will still be a better PJ with HD material but the HC5000 will destroy it with SD material due to the Reon VX chip. Pick your poison.
adumicic Posted October 26, 2006 Posted October 26, 2006 Hi adumicic, what screen (type and size) were they projecting the Pearl onto? Last time I was at TAV to demo the Ruby, they were projecting onto Stewart gray screen which I thought did go very well with the Ruby.Majority of owners over at avsforum are matching the Pearl up with the Dalite High Power screens (via table/shelf mount). DuyK Not sure what screen was used. It was a 1.0 gain screen that filled the wall, I was told it was 200" (and no the projector was not filling this whole screen area). I saw the Ruby with the Stewark Firehawk too, but whilst I thought the projector was great, I think that screen is absolutely horrible! I'm not a fan of high gain screens basically. Also, I saw it with HD-DVD, D-VHS, HDTV and SDTV. I was amazed at how much detail was delivered from the SDTV source, but I only watched that for a fraction of the time I saw the others (I honestly wasn't interested in seeing any more SD) so I can't comment on interlacing etc, although the D-VHS I saw was 1080i60 and I didn't notice any problem with that.
TommyGNR Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 I'm going PJ hunting tomorrow. I'm going to T Lees after work, so I'll find out if he can sell the VW50 for $6499. If he can it will then be a matter of persuading my dad to buy one. I'll keep you updated. Tom
RodN Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 I think the difference between the HC5000 and Pearl will be black levels (expected SXRD win there) and scaler (reviews seem to really think the Mitus scaler is brilliant). My fear is that the pearl could let down in the scaling department which would really suck as it's comprimise time again with either unit.... (like the HS series perhaps the Sony will probably win out but not by much and we'll have sleepless nights on the price vs performance gains debate.. ) On the screen issue digitals have brightness to burn - so much so grey screens are an option - so I personally wouldn't worry about brightness with the Mitsu. Tommy have fun shopping you lucky bast***
djOS Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 Considering the Mitsu is using a HQV Realta based video processor from Silicon Optix, I would suggest that is scaling etc is going to be a major selling point over other PJ's in it's class. I've found that the scaling in my Sony HS50 is quite competent which bodes well for their 1080p products imo.
djOS Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 Widescreen Review have posted a review. Linkage please?
djOS Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 http://www.widescreenreview.com/ cmon tulkam, if you refer to a story you should post the full link and at least mention it is a teaser for those without subscriptions.
loser Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 I didn't realise it was for subscibers only, they usually make reviews of new projectors available for free.
Highjinx Posted October 28, 2006 Posted October 28, 2006 Just read the review, lookin' good.....better than the RUBY in many areas. BC much less. Excellent for the price point. Image depth not as good as the new Marantz 1080p. But then the DLP is 4X the price of the Pearl! WSR: D65k Iris off 1:2490CR on/off(Max aperture - Proj Closest to screen) D65k Iris off 1:3400CR on/off(Max aperture - Proj Furthest from screen) Auto iris Mode1 = 1:11,200CR on/off Auto iris Mode2 = 1:8790CR on/off Check another pearl review at: http://www.cine4home.com/reviews/projector...LVW50Review.htm I want one!
djOS Posted October 28, 2006 Posted October 28, 2006 That is a great review HJ. Mmmm demoing 1080p PJ's next year is going to be fun.
TommyGNR Posted October 28, 2006 Posted October 28, 2006 I called Trevor Lees today and they still haven't taken delivery of the Pearls and can't say for sure when they will be coming in as every date sony have given them has fallen through. So I'm off to Soundcorp and Sony Central unfortunately Tasman AV is closed by the time I finish work. Does anybody know what the demo facilities are like a soundcorp? I know from seeing the ruby that sony central's demo setup is absolute rubbish (poor light control, no hd material, no hdmi/dvi)
Jliang70 Posted October 28, 2006 Posted October 28, 2006 Considering the Mitsu is using a HQV Realta based video processor from Silicon Optix, I would suggest that is scaling etc is going to be a major selling point over other PJ's in it's class.I've found that the scaling in my Sony HS50 is quite competent which bodes well for their 1080p products imo. I think HS50/HS60 have below average scaling and Panasonic AE700/AE900 have better scaling capability than Sony. Sony is not known in putting much effort in scaling so a video processor or upscale dvd/hd-dvd/bluray will be needed to take advantage of the projector.
Spero D. Posted October 28, 2006 Posted October 28, 2006 I think HS50/HS60 have below average scaling and Panasonic AE700/AE900 have better scaling capability than Sony. Sony is not known in putting much effort in scaling so a video processor or upscale dvd/hd-dvd/bluray will be needed to take advantage of the projector. Accoding to Greg's review of the Sony VPL-VW50 the scaling for 480i sources (DVD) is very good.
HomerJ Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 (edited) Accoding to Greg's review of the Sony VPL-VW50 the scaling for 480i sources (DVD) is very good. I just picked up a Pearl yesterday and the scaling is way better than my previous Sharp 9000. Both 480p and 576i from DVD. I'm also very impressed with contrast/blacks. Now where can I get my hands on a new HD-DVD player? What's the recommend US source? The added resolution is crying out for a larger screen. Looks like another upgrade there too... Any recommendations much appreciated. Edited October 31, 2006 by HomerJ
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