betty boop Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 So al, your saying the French and Poms can actually get along? Wonder if we could find an easy match up for Arab/Jew as well! :ph34r: now now ! personally though do think focal MF is a great combination, seem to complement well ...to my tastes anyway !
betty boop Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 Was that an MF A5? If so why the ribbing afterwards? perhaps he means the anthem A5? nto the most abundantly avaible gear the anthem to try and demo, but sure its very well made quality gear, comes from the same family as paradigm.
Mike Kakay Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 now now ! personally though do think focal MF is a great combination, seem to complement well ...to my tastes anyway ! Kick back and enjoy!
Curious Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 not discounting your player as have no personal experience at all with its analog output. but you might for instance find limited benefit from the the power amp upgrade but much greater benefit from a source and/or pre ? or goign a good integrated instead. some things perhaps to explore. Important to consider the rest of the chain in my opinion. especially at the source pre end, as what is lost there, cant be made up for at the power amplification stage. Oboy, Well, it seems I'm gonna be bringing my player to the GTG as well now doesn't it! Thanks for the input Al, this is exactly what I need to be considering leading up to the big day (taking Divas home) as much as I want this to be simple, it's more important I feed the speakers everything they need to produce their magic...if that means a Pre-Amp instead of a Power Amp, then so be it So much to learn BTW what Player are you using for 2 channel Al? Cheers, Curious
Delnario Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 Was that an MF A5? If so why the ribbing afterwards? No, I meant the Anthem A5. I certainly dont mean to get anybody's nose out of joint.. MF make some lovely gear but i think you can buy better for less.. but as was just said.. pairing certain devices will certainly yield different results.. so my opinion does indeed come from my own experiences with MF to date which isnt too limited but still.. remains my opinion. Id be more than happy for someone to send me some MF to further evaluate, but im not overly fussed. This was the amp i was refering to. http://statement.anthemav.com/HTML/Product...cs/A_Specs.html
Curious Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 BTW what Player are you using for 2 channel Al? No need to respond Al, I checked it out on the Focal thread, dedicated CD player could be a way forward for me but I was hoping my 5000 would stand up as a good stand alone - with HDCD capability I'd like to keep it as my main player for 2 channel. Maybe I could loan it to you for a weekend, be interesting to get an opinion on how it matches up with the Divas Cheers, Curious
kamma Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 That middle one is not quite right Kamma. The AVR just sends two full range signals to your two terminals. The passive crossover networks inside your speakers 'splits' the full signal at each of the speaker terminals, not your avr.Fully active systems with active xovers do what you have written in that second point, your AVR is not active in this sense. that makes sense even for a simpleton like me
Mike Kakay Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 No, I meant the Anthem A5. I certainly dont mean to get anybody's nose out of joint.. MF make some lovely gear but i think you can buy better for less.. but as was just said.. pairing certain devices will certainly yield different results.. so my opinion does indeed come from my own experiences with MF to date which isnt too limited but still.. remains my opinion. Id be more than happy for someone to send me some MF to further evaluate, but im not overly fussed. This was the amp i was refering to. http://statement.anthemav.com/HTML/Product...cs/A_Specs.html I reckon a better match up to that Anthem would be an Elektra Theatre 7, ever tried one? You'd be surprised.
betty boop Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 No need to respond Al, I checked it out on the Focal thread, dedicated CD player could be a way forward for me but I was hoping my 5000 would stand up as a good stand alone - with HDCD capability I'd like to keep it as my main player for 2 channel.Maybe I could loan it to you for a weekend, be interesting to get an opinion on how it matches up with the Divas Cheers, Curious no worries curious. there is another option too if keen on utilising your existing player, could keep using it as a transport and feed an external dac. I was doing this myself upto my current player. dacs can be a handy way to go since not only give a dac upgrade but also an analog output stage upgrade which is what tends to be lacking in many a dvd player. quite a few options with dacs as well from the mf xdacv3 at under $1k theres also the benchmark that norpus is using which is a $1500 option and the larvy ? that spearmint runs though not sure the price on that. mike rowcock runs the elctra dac too but a pricier option at $3k. easy to check the benefit with one of these matter of borrowing eg the xdac from geoff from ehome might soon tell you of benefit. still need keep in mind still is the rest fo the chain which might not let all the sources benefits through if not upto it.
betty boop Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 I reckon a better match up to that Anthem would be an Elektra Theatre 7, ever tried one? You'd be surprised. yes could be an interesting comparison. the elektra theatre 7 is certainly very good including for 2ch. the anthem looks of similar heft to the elektra though I bet you the anthem si a lot more pricier. does anyone sell anthem in melb ?
Delnario Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 I reckon a better match up to that Anthem would be an Elektra Theatre 7, ever tried one? You'd be surprised. Not first hand no, i probably should make the time to have a peak at one, it would want to be pretty spectacular because ive become quite spoiled by this big 5 channel.. from what i read, the power supply in the A5 is the same size as the Elektra Theatre 7 and I quite enjoy feeling like God (having so much power at my command), the amount of headroom is incredible despite the fact my speakers are quite efficient (91db). The sacrifice i find in many power amps that command so much power is they often loose their musical agility, my experience with it so far points to the contrary.. I am very curious indeed to audition the higher (P2 & P5) series but they are a scarse in oz at the moment. Do you own the ET7?
Delnario Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 yes could be an interesting comparison. the elektra theatre 7 is certainly very good including for 2ch. the anthem looks of similar heft to the elektra though I bet you the anthem si a lot more pricier. does anyone sell anthem in melb ? Anthem are imported by Duratone in Canberra.. so you should be able to hear one through Ad Astra.. i believe they would be your best bet.. however that would mean id have to send it to them from my house as i have the demo unit that will eventually tour the country. Ive been giving it a dry run for duratone as they are a new product for them and wanted to gauge how successful it might be. If you'd like a listen im sure i could arrange it somewhere in your vicinity.. however, given its performance so far i anticipate that Anthem will begin to show a greater presence in oz in the not too distant future. We shall see... And yes, they are more expensive than ET7 but still quite conceivable.
Curious Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 no worries curious. there is another option too if keen on utilising your existing player, could keep using it as a transport and feed an external dac. I was doing this myself upto my current player. dacs can be a handy way to go since not only give a dac upgrade but also an analog output stage upgrade which is what tends to be lacking in many a dvd player. quite a few options with dacs as well from the mf xdacv3 at under $1k theres also the benchmark that norpus is using which is a $1500 option and the larvy ? that spearmint runs though not sure the price on that. mike rowcock runs the elctra dac too but a pricier option at $3k. easy to check the benefit with one of these matter of borrowing eg the xdac from geoff from ehome might soon tell you of benefit. still need keep in mind still is the rest fo the chain which might not let all the sources benefits through if not upto it. Oooh the possibilities are mind boggling Ok then, so how do I bypass the DAC in the player (assuming it's a weak link) to utilise an external DAC? I assume this involves shifting the output to 'fixed' instead of 'variable' ? Only problem is it's the variable output that gives me the ability to control the volume via the player (eliminating the need for a Pre-Amp to attenuate) Man, I'm certainly learning alot today Cheers, Curious
alcoop1503559994 Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 Ok then, so how do I bypass the DAC in the player Use digital output coax, spdif etc
Curious Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 Use digital output coax, spdif etc Thanks Alcoop, My player offers Fixed (2 channel), Variable (2 channel), Digital (5.1) and Optical (5.1). Am I to assume the Optical, Digital and Fixed outputs all bypass the DAC? Cheers, Curious
alcoop1503559994 Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 hmm, Digital & optical will bypass the DAC. Are the fixed and variable outputs analog? If so it uses internal DAC
Mike Kakay Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 Not first hand no, i probably should make the time to have a peak at one, it would want to be pretty spectacular because ive become quite spoiled by this big 5 channel.. from what i read, the power supply in the A5 is the same size as the Elektra Theatre 7 and I quite enjoy feeling like God (having so much power at my command), the amount of headroom is incredible despite the fact my speakers are quite efficient (91db). The sacrifice i find in many power amps that command so much power is they often loose their musical agility, my experience with it so far points to the contrary.. I am very curious indeed to audition the higher (P2 & P5) series but they are a scarse in oz at the moment. Do you own the ET7? At 1.8KVA power supply in both, I wonder how Arthur can double his power when dropping ohms by half? eg: 7 Channel at 8 ohms - 185W/ch, 7 Channel at 4 ohms - 370W/ch. The Anthem weighs in at: 5 Channel at 8 ohms - 180W/ch, 5 Channel at 4 ohms - 265W/ch With that, it seems the anthem is wasting power somewhere? Remember, off the equivelant power supply, Elektra is doing those figures into 7 channels, Anthem into only 5. If your getting your specs off the len wallis site, ignore as thats old specs. These are the current up to date specs.
Curious Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 hmm, Digital & optical will bypass the DAC. Are the fixed and variable outputs analog? If so it uses internal DAC Good question, of which I do not know the answer back to the manual (when I get home) assuming it has the information (lot of manual, not a lot of technical info though... ) Curious
betty boop Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 Oooh the possibilities are mind boggling Ok then, so how do I bypass the DAC in the player (assuming it's a weak link) to utilise an external DAC? I assume this involves shifting the output to 'fixed' instead of 'variable' ? Only problem is it's the variable output that gives me the ability to control the volume via the player (eliminating the need for a Pre-Amp to attenuate) Man, I'm certainly learning alot today Cheers, Curious hi curious, I presume the variable output on your player is on hte analog outs which you wouldnt utilise outputing via digital to a dac. I'm little unsure how you are intendign setting up your system presumign that is a combined ht/2ch setup. if you intend using the variable analog outs straight through to the power amp feeding the mains, presume you also want to feed signal from your pre-pro to also feed the power amp driving the mains ? could be done if your power amp has twin inputs one for the disc plaeyr other for the pre-pro. otherwise you'd have to cable swap.
betty boop Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 At 1.8KVA power supply in both, I wonder how Arthur can double his power when dropping ohms by half? eg: 7 Channel at 8 ohms - 185W/ch, 7 Channel at 4 ohms - 370W/ch. The Anthem weighs in at: 5 Channel at 8 ohms - 180W/ch, 5 Channel at 4 ohms - 265W/ch With that, it seems the anthem is wasting power somewhere? Remember, off the equivelant power supply, Elektra is doing those figures into 7 channels, Anthem into only 5. If your getting your specs off the len wallis site, ignore as thats old specs. These are the current up to date specs. keeping in mind power outputs measured differently by both manufactuers to me woudl seem the anthem has a bit mroe power reserve in its supply. it could be little more class A biased too there fore need ing the bigger power supply to make up for power it burns of as heat. the elktra runs cool as a cucumber though that could be its heatsinks dispensing the effectively.
Curious Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 hi curious,I presume the variable output on your player is on hte analog outs which you wouldnt utilise outputing via digital to a dac. I'm little unsure how you are intendign setting up your system presumign that is a combined ht/2ch setup. if you intend using the variable analog outs straight through to the power amp feeding the mains, presume you also want to feed signal from your pre-pro to also feed the power amp driving the mains ? could be done if your power amp has twin inputs one for the disc plaeyr other for the pre-pro. otherwise you'd have to cable swap. Ah, sorry Al, should have made myself a bit clearer, the Divas will be dedicated to 2 channel only, so I'm effectively setting up separate systems in the same room. 5.1 is taken care of with current equipment, now I wish to run 2 channel via Denon DVD5000 - Power Amp - Divas. Cheers, Curious
betty boop Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 Ah, sorry Al, should have made myself a bit clearer, the Divas will be dedicated to 2 channel only, so I'm effectively setting up separate systems in the same room.5.1 is taken care of with current equipment, now I wish to run 2 channel via Denon DVD5000 - Power Amp - Divas. Cheers, Curious 2 physically separate systems ? i'm confused wont the amp and divas still be utilised for ht ? as mains ?
Curious Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 2 physically separate systems ? i'm confused wont the amp and divas still be utilised for ht ? as mains ? Sorry for the delay, (home now)... I wasn't planning to use the Divas for HT, I wanted to keep them purely for music...it's that or I have to buy a Focal centre to match Cheers, Curious
betty boop Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 Sorry for the delay, (home now)...I wasn't planning to use the Divas for HT, I wanted to keep them purely for music...it's that or I have to buy a Focal centre to match Cheers, Curious understand and they are very adept at that curious. to be honest jsut hit realisation before that havent watched a single movie since getting them ! just been too taken in with them on music alone !
norpus Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 Ah, sorry Al, should have made myself a bit clearer, the Divas will be dedicated to 2 channel only, so I'm effectively setting up separate systems in the same room.5.1 is taken care of with current equipment, now I wish to run 2 channel via Denon DVD5000 - Power Amp - Divas. Cheers, Curious Hi Curious Whilst the Denon is/was a beast in its day, and still a fine unit, I am very sure a variable output Droplet would be better in 2ch (and an E1 would also in video).
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