Andre281503560612 Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 As you all know from my countless posts im looking to upgrade speakers. The KDX package has crossed my mind, but after considering placement, a center which i can sit my TV on is becoming more and more appealing. Enter the Centrix. Krix staff have told me it will work with the KDX-M mains, but then again, how completely unbiased is this suggestion? What do you guys think, tonally, will the KDX-M and Centrix package be a good combo? i will be running this on a Denon 1906, is it powerful enough? Also, we dont sit all that far from the TV, Will this be a problem, given the size of this beast?
Mining Man Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 This one might seem a bit out of left field, but it's worth thinking about: Are you likely to upgrade your TV? Anytime soon? Unless you sold them to upgrade to something better (a la Norpus / JohnA etc), you'd hope to get 10 years out of speakers. 5 at least. And 15 is better again. So then, I'd be looking at compromising the set up in the short term, and getting the speaker package right. Rather than getting the set up right in the short term, and compromising the speaker package over the long term. Just a thought...
ianjamo Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 I too was looking at the KDX package but wanted to sit the TV on the centre speaker so have pretty much decided on the centrix. I was also looking to mount the KDX mains on speaker stands, I went down to the local Hi-Fi shop and after speaking to the guy he has convinced me to spend only a little more and get the new Phoenix range. It seemed to me to be a fair bit more speaker for little cost when you add the price of speaker stands in as well. I believe the phoenix is the new series to take over from the lyrix gold, can anyone confirm this?
Guest not-happy-Jan Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 I too was looking at the KDX package but wanted to sit the TV on the centre speaker so have pretty much decided on the centrix. I was also looking to mount the KDX mains on speaker stands, I went down to the local Hi-Fi shop and after speaking to the guy he has convinced me to spend only a little more and get the new Phoenix range. It seemed to me to be a fair bit more speaker for little cost when you add the price of speaker stands in as well.I believe the phoenix is the new series to take over from the lyrix gold, can anyone confirm this? Phoenix is alreay in stores as the replacement for the lyrix gold.
Andre281503560612 Posted August 29, 2007 Author Posted August 29, 2007 (edited) how much more are we talking? The KDX package was the upper limits of my budget, as i was previously looking at a $1200ish setup for mission or Elac, so stretching to $1500 + stands for the KDX and now a further $200 for the Centrix, i really just dont see myself splashing out even more for some new floorstanders instead. If the KDX is a nice tonal match to the Centrix, and if the Centrix wont totally dominate the soundstage then i think i will be quite happy with this setup. I am using some old rears, so i guess down the track i can put the KDX to the rear and upgrade the fronts to symphonix or similar, but this is really gonna have to do for a while. Edited August 29, 2007 by Andre28
Andre281503560612 Posted August 29, 2007 Author Posted August 29, 2007 my other option would be to place a KDX-C in the less than ideal position of the second shelf from the bottom. This shelf is quite low, approximately 25cm from the ground. i imagine much of the sound would just be hitting the bottom of the lounge.
dantan Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 The Krix KDX series was designed as a full complementary set, and it would be best if you have a KDX-C as a centre channel loud speaker, mate. The Centrix is not tonally too different. After all, it's still a Krix loud speaker, so it has a similar family sound. Yes, the Krix Phoenix replaces the Lyrix Gold (and the original Lyrix). Pricing-wise, I reckon it will stay pretty similar to the Lyrix Gold.
Mr.Bitey Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 Centrix is a lot bigger than the KDX's - its got more bass to it than the KDX-C (ive got a KDX-C and father in law Centrix).. it wont blend in seamlessly with KDX-M's as the L/R and Rears.. KDX-C would blend in best... Mind you - my mains dont blend in with my KDX-C (they'd go better with a Centrix but I didnt have the $) - not ideal, but is oK Its not going to sound horrid - but it wont be blended in seamlessly either. Whats your 'less than ideal' placement? - is having all your tweeters aligned more important than having your mid-range to lows being tonally accurate? - It depends how far from ideal your center placement will be compared to the difference of the centrix to KDX-M's Whichever way you go - if it doesnt work out well enough, resale is usually good on Krix gear - especially if its newish Cheers, Bitey
Aspect Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 What's the Krix Phoenix? Are they new? They're not on their website...
dantan Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 The Phoenix is brand-spanking new. Krix decided to name it differently to the Lyrix Gold, as the Lyrix and Lyrix Gold names have been around for a long time, and a lot of people tend to associate the lack of name changes to a lack of modifications/improvements.
CCRider Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 (edited) The Krix KDX series was designed as a full complementary set, and it would be best if you have a KDX-C as a centre channel loud speaker, mate. The Centrix is not tonally too different. After all, it's still a Krix loud speaker, so it has a similar family sound.Yes, the Krix Phoenix replaces the Lyrix Gold (and the original Lyrix). Pricing-wise, I reckon it will stay pretty similar to the Lyrix Gold. Let me assure you that what Dantan is saying is what I would have advised you on. Please be made aware that the folk at Krix would advise you on the best combo package and they have always in my experience have always put the customer first. If they have suggested using the kdx c then I would not be suspicious of their suggestion. This is a company which provides it's customers with exceptional made products and a Rolls Royce after sales service. Edited August 30, 2007 by Seismix
Andre281503560612 Posted August 30, 2007 Author Posted August 30, 2007 I think im going with the whole KDX package. A few have suggested just tilting the low KDX-C up a little by putting something underneath it at the front.
POV Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 just as a thought have you consideded using the equinox bookshelfs instead of the kdx as mains...........i have seen this a number of times and equinox provide good timbral matching with centrix, not to mention that the money you save on the mains will cover the difference in the centre and finish you on around the same budget. Equinox is a remarkable little beast and i prefer their sound to the KDX, not as powerful but more balanced and neutral which i really like. This combo will still get you into some awsome sounding mains but will also get you into a imho much superior centre........and when the time for upgrade comes the equinox will make beautiful surrounds and a set of KRIX floorstanders will slide in seemlessly. This is what i would be doing if i was you.
Andre281503560612 Posted August 30, 2007 Author Posted August 30, 2007 well i know me, and im a very now person. You are probably right, that would make good sense, but i know all i would be thinking about is the KDX mains that i could of had.
POV Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 well i know me, and im a very now person. You are probably right, that would make good sense, but i know all i would be thinking about is the KDX mains that i could of had. just audition the equinox mate...i think you will be suprised by how good they sound.......as i said above i would prefer them to KDX's but we are all different. just remember bigger doesn't mean better particularky in a small room.
???? Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 If you decide to go for a Centrix, shoot me a PM - I will have one for sale pretty soon once I receive my new Epicentrix, so you could save a few dollars.
Serpeant Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 Let me assure you that what Dantan is saying is what I would have advised you on.Please be made aware that the folk at Krix would advise you on the best combo package and they have always in my experience have always put the customer first. If they have suggested using the kdx c then I would not be suspicious of their suggestion. This is a company which provides it's customers with exceptional made products and a Rolls Royce after sales service. What after sales service do you need on a speaker's package? lol...
???? Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 What after sales service do you need on a speaker's package? lol... It is a shame we all seem to have forgotten what service actually means - most stores/manufacturers offer none, and the majority have nothing to offer besides a receipt. It's the little things - like a call after they arrive to check they are in one piece and working correctly, or helping out with the packaging you threw away when you want to sell them, or a little advice on a matching rear channel setup without pushing an upsell on you, or honoring warranty on a product a month or two after they have to... Probably more meaningful to me is that it gives one confidence when making a substantial purchase that the people who made your product actually care.
yamapro Posted August 31, 2007 Posted August 31, 2007 I have both KDX Ms and a Centrix and can assure you they are a fine match. The same drivers are used in both and the crossover is not too dissimilar. The Centrix originally came about way back in the day when Krix wanted to offer people a centre channel large enough to support a 'Big Screen TV' - which meant a 68 or 80CM CRT . IMHO it is a fine product and excellent value. I don't understand why so many people here say it won't be a great match as it has the same tweeter and even mid/bass units but in a larger sturdier cabinet which offers greater low end welly The other advantage of a Centrix is it will match in nicely with larger floorstanding models to should you one day decide to go 7.1 with say a pair of Phoenix and KDXs as the 4 Surround channels... that would be an awesome set-up right there. Personally even regardless of your TV set-up if offered a KDX package with a Centrix instead of the KDX C i would always go for that... but thats just me
CCRider Posted August 31, 2007 Posted August 31, 2007 It is a shame we all seem to have forgotten what service actually means - most stores/manufacturers offer none, and the majority have nothing to offer besides a receipt.It's the little things - like a call after they arrive to check they are in one piece and working correctly, or helping out with the packaging you threw away when you want to sell them, or a little advice on a matching rear channel setup without pushing an upsell on you, or honoring warranty on a product a month or two after they have to... Probably more meaningful to me is that it gives one confidence when making a substantial purchase that the people who made your product actually care. Saved me a response. Well said.
???? Posted August 31, 2007 Posted August 31, 2007 I have both KDX Ms and a Centrix and can assure you they are a fine match. The same drivers are used in both and the crossover is not too dissimilar.The Centrix originally came about way back in the day when Krix wanted to offer people a centre channel large enough to support a 'Big Screen TV' - which meant a 68 or 80CM CRT . IMHO it is a fine product and excellent value. I don't understand why so many people here say it won't be a great match as it has the same tweeter and even mid/bass units but in a larger sturdier cabinet which offers greater low end welly The other advantage of a Centrix is it will match in nicely with larger floorstanding models to should you one day decide to go 7.1 with say a pair of Phoenix and KDXs as the 4 Surround channels... that would be an awesome set-up right there. Personally even regardless of your TV set-up if offered a KDX package with a Centrix instead of the KDX C i would always go for that... but thats just me I know I have one for sale so may look biased, but I totally agree with what you have suggested. The center speaker produces the majority of sound in a HT setup - I think you will benefit more from a Centrix doing the job, and its sound is very well matched to your proposed fronts and surrounds IMO. I am in Sydney (not sure of your location) and you are welcome to come and have a listen if you are able. I think $350 is a fair price for anyone interested.
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