el-ricardo Posted February 20, 2008 Posted February 20, 2008 Anyone happen to own a set of these and able to give me some feedback? Specifically looking at the combination of RF-83 LR mains, RC-64 centre, RS-62 as side and rear surrounds and RT-12D for bass. Will be powered from a Denon 4308 for the time being until I can afford an external amplifier and use the 4308 as a pre-amp.
Psycho! Posted February 20, 2008 Posted February 20, 2008 In my humble opinion, you will be blown away by the shear grunt of them in the shop, the shear size of the fronts, the great looking bronze coloured drivers..but I found them to start to screw my eyes out of my head after about 30 minutes. My own personal opinion is that they are fatiguing to listen to for any length of time. I would say it would be a acquired taste. I auditioned the rf-82 and they were quite impressive, but after about the 3rd or 4th CD I wanted to stop. Never tried their HT abilities but I would say they would produce the goods for that.
el-ricardo Posted February 20, 2008 Author Posted February 20, 2008 In my humble opinion, you will be blown away by the shear grunt of them in the shop, the shear size of the fronts, the great looking bronze coloured drivers..but I found them to start to screw my eyes out of my head after about 30 minutes. My own personal opinion is that they are fatiguing to listen to for any length of time. I would say it would be a acquired taste. I auditioned the rf-82 and they were quite impressive, but after about the 3rd or 4th CD I wanted to stop.Never tried their HT abilities but I would say they would produce the goods for that. Thanks mate, I appreciate the input. I would agree, I listened to a set in Singapore and was literally blown away but 95% of my listening is for movies and HT anyhow, in my humble opinion they sounded very capable of reproducing a movie soundtrack and the way I like to hear it, but everyone does like different things. They wouldn't be my first choice if I was predominantly listening to music.
Psycho! Posted February 20, 2008 Posted February 20, 2008 Thanks mate, I appreciate the input. I would agree, I listened to a set in Singapore and was literally blown away but 95% of my listening is for movies and HT anyhow, in my humble opinion they sounded very capable of reproducing a movie soundtrack and the way I like to hear it, but everyone does like different things. They wouldn't be my first choice if I was predominantly listening to music. agreed, I think the horn loaded speaker design just doesn't suit my ear for some reason.
SDL Posted February 20, 2008 Posted February 20, 2008 Love Klipsch speakers personally, and yes they are mainly designed for HT. However the 83's are more musical than other Klipsch speakers and if you have some use for music better IMO than the THX Ultra2 series. I would love to upgrade to the 83's myslef, but building my dedicated room and getting a projector are my next goals, the 35's will suffice for now.
el-ricardo Posted February 20, 2008 Author Posted February 20, 2008 Love Klipsch speakers personally, and yes they are mainly designed for HT. However the 83's are more musical than other Klipsch speakers and if you have some use for music better IMO than the THX Ultra2 series. I would love to upgrade to the 83's myslef, but building my dedicated room and getting a projector are my next goals, the 35's will suffice for now. Thanks SDL, that's great to hear. It's always bit by bit as our budget's and time allow .
el-ricardo Posted March 30, 2008 Author Posted March 30, 2008 If anyone is interested I thought I would post my experience to date. Last Friday some of my speakers turned up. A pair of RF-83's, two of my four RS-62's and the RT-12d. Had to help the courier get them off the pallet and into the house, I forgot the size of the RF-83's, especially now being boxed, lugging them was a different experience to viewing them at various showrooms! Let's just call the 45kg weight of each one my exercise regime for the day. Courier was nice enough to help me place everything where I thought I would want everything, I felt dwarfed by the RF-83's and so does my 50" Pioneer! Playing around with the placement, true to most reviews I had read it was true that the mains sounded better away from the wall and angled towards the listener. To my surprise the RT12d sounded murky in the corner which it's triangular design is intended. Maybe my ears had just gotten used to have two subs for all these years but after moving it onto the same wall to the left instead of the right hand corner it improved the bass significantly, thinking if I was to go to two RT12d's I think I'd have to find a bigger lounge room, time to win Lotto and build a basement I think. My poor little Bose VS-100 was drowning as a centre channel speaker, I will look forward to the remaining RS-62's to turn up and when the RC-64 does arrive I feel confident the front stage will be matched quite nicely. I was very surprised at how little power was needed for BIG sound which again reflects many reviews, nice to see that people are reflecting how things really are. Now horns are a personal taste, many have commented that you either hate them or love them. I love them, personally I find the quality of voices sound much more like they would in real life, but again this is personal preference. I believe the AVR-4308 doesn't drive them to the best of their ability which doesn't surprise me. The plans are to get a dedicated 7 channel amp at a later stage after I've paid off all the bills for this. I've heard very good things about the Simaudio Moon Titan but pricing in Australia seem ridiculous compared to the US, I may try Singapore but believe shipping a 67kg amp may kill off any cost savings. Time will tell. I couldn't be happier at this stage and really looking forward for the remaining items to turn up to complete the experience. My last set of speakers lasted 12-15 years and I would say this set will last the same if not longer, by then my hearing will more than likely be gone and I'd have to turn them up to appreciate them... surely the neighbours wouldn't mind .
SDL Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 Glad to hear the update and glad you are happy with them. As I say, myself I would love to buy the same setup you are getting and know I would be happy for years. The RF35's I have are great but know with the dedicated room I will be doing I will want the bigger set. Just priorities get in the way - according to the financial director we are off on holiday overseas next year, so need to save for that now too. Will be interested to hear more once you have them all set up and are happy with the placement. Personally I agree that for HT I have heard few speakers in the same price range that sound better, but it is personal taste and I can see how some would not like them.
THMosch Posted May 22, 2008 Posted May 22, 2008 If anyone is interested I thought I would post my experience to date.Last Friday some of my speakers turned up. A pair of RF-83's, two of my four RS-62's and the RT-12d. Had to help the courier get them off the pallet and into the house, I forgot the size of the RF-83's, especially now being boxed, lugging them was a different experience to viewing them at various showrooms! Let's just call the 45kg weight of each one my exercise regime for the day. Courier was nice enough to help me place everything where I thought I would want everything, I felt dwarfed by the RF-83's and so does my 50" Pioneer! Playing around with the placement, true to most reviews I had read it was true that the mains sounded better away from the wall and angled towards the listener. To my surprise the RT12d sounded murky in the corner which it's triangular design is intended. Maybe my ears had just gotten used to have two subs for all these years but after moving it onto the same wall to the left instead of the right hand corner it improved the bass significantly, thinking if I was to go to two RT12d's I think I'd have to find a bigger lounge room, time to win Lotto and build a basement I think. My poor little Bose VS-100 was drowning as a centre channel speaker, I will look forward to the remaining RS-62's to turn up and when the RC-64 does arrive I feel confident the front stage will be matched quite nicely. I was very surprised at how little power was needed for BIG sound which again reflects many reviews, nice to see that people are reflecting how things really are. Now horns are a personal taste, many have commented that you either hate them or love them. I love them, personally I find the quality of voices sound much more like they would in real life, but again this is personal preference. I believe the AVR-4308 doesn't drive them to the best of their ability which doesn't surprise me. The plans are to get a dedicated 7 channel amp at a later stage after I've paid off all the bills for this. I've heard very good things about the Simaudio Moon Titan but pricing in Australia seem ridiculous compared to the US, I may try Singapore but believe shipping a 67kg amp may kill off any cost savings. Time will tell. I couldn't be happier at this stage and really looking forward for the remaining items to turn up to complete the experience. My last set of speakers lasted 12-15 years and I would say this set will last the same if not longer, by then my hearing will more than likely be gone and I'd have to turn them up to appreciate them... surely the neighbours wouldn't mind . Hi, just wondering how your setup is going with with the RC-64 and RS62's. Im looking at getting the same setup but with RB-61's to complete the 7.1 paired with an Onkyo 905. Also where abouts did you get these. Im in Adelaide and i am having trouble finding a store that has them on display (i need to audition them before any perchases). Thanks
el-ricardo Posted May 22, 2008 Author Posted May 22, 2008 Hi THMosch, My apologies, I completely forgot to continue the story and yes it's continuing... The RC-64 turned up and still sits ontop the DVD-3930 and AVR-4308 boxes, I'll get around to cleaning this up later as there are still plans afoot at this stage, it sits snuggly underneath the Pioneer plasma but the screen does look very small dwarfed by all the speakers. All I can really say is wow, I didn't realise how much of a difference the RC-64 would make and also shows me how much audio is being pumped through the centre channel and how much this speakers works in a HT setup, actually I probably did but never really put much thought into it. The front sound stage is now matched very well, there is little tonal difference between the mains and centre which makes voices moving from left to right or right to left sound very smooth and realistic. Now these speakers need a BIG room to do them justice, so much so I am making plans to do that in the coming 12 months, currently running in a 8m by 12m room that could do with curtains all around to be honest. The reflections from the speakers off the walls do make things sound a little sharp, as much as the horns normally do sound sharp, if using a well produced soundtrack I have found they are extremely good, if the material is low grade then the speakers are very unforgiving and reproduce them exactly as the format dictates. Which brings me to how to drive these speakers. I do very much believe that the Denon AVR-4308 as much as it's a great unit does not do these speakers any justice in running them. I am in the process of purchasing a Sim Audio Moon Titan 7-channel amplifier which I feel very confident will bring my listening pleasure up the notch that I believe it deserves. I have heard Sim Audio amplifiers drive cheaper speakers with so much presence it literally blew me away and just goes to prove what a purpose built high-current amplifier that employs separate channel amplification can do and let's face it, the ultimate aim is to have a sound stage that is similar to a real theatre and I believe this will do what I am striving for. Once the unit has arrived I will update all again of my experience. THMosch, I found it difficult to get to audition these speakers myself, so much so that I ended listening to a set of these speakers from a dealer in Singapore before progessing purchasing them here in Australia. I would suggest you contact International Dynamics in Melbourne directly as they are the distributor and ask them who the dealer for Adelaide is and chase it down that way. I have had nothing but good things to say about these guys and all my dealings with them to date have me being a very happy customer. You're welcome to PM me directly if you want to know the dealer I have been dealing with but being in Perth don't think this is really going to help you a great deal.
RosePetal Posted May 22, 2008 Posted May 22, 2008 In my humble opinion, you will be blown away by the shear grunt of them in the shop, the shear size of the fronts, the great looking bronze coloured drivers..but I found them to start to screw my eyes out of my head after about 30 minutes. My own personal opinion is that they are fatiguing to listen to for any length of time. I would say it would be a acquired taste. I auditioned the rf-82 and they were quite impressive, but after about the 3rd or 4th CD I wanted to stop.Never tried their HT abilities but I would say they would produce the goods for that. +1 Must agree with all of this post. Klipsch speakers are very efficient and sound incredibly impressive at first but they could never be called subtle, detailed or delicate. Listening to a couple of CDs through these speakers is akin to going a few rounds with Mike Tyson (my hubby told me to say that).
mrporcelain Posted May 22, 2008 Posted May 22, 2008 I completely disagree with people's appraisal of the klipsch being harsh. If you have a good source and a good amp they're great. I've been really happy with my RF-5's, great speakers (but yes I'm selling them haha).
el-ricardo Posted May 22, 2008 Author Posted May 22, 2008 (edited) I completely disagree with people's appraisal of the klipsch being harsh. If you have a good source and a good amp they're great. I've been really happy with my RF-5's, great speakers (but yes I'm selling them haha). Couldn't agree more but I think what people are forgetting is the source and amp is much more important than what people realise, if you have a bad source and let's face it there are a lot of CD's out there that are badly produced then you will hear that in the sound on these speakers. I can not reiterate enough how a well produced CD/Soundtrack, what have you, driven properly is a magical experience with these speakers, I could not sing their praises any higher. I had a mate around a couple of days ago and his comment was it's like there is a guy with a guitar sitting in front of me playing and he was literally dumbfounded. Edited May 22, 2008 by el-ricardo
SDL Posted May 22, 2008 Posted May 22, 2008 +1Must agree with all of this post. Klipsch speakers are very efficient and sound incredibly impressive at first but they could never be called subtle, detailed or delicate. Listening to a couple of CDs through these speakers is akin to going a few rounds with Mike Tyson (my hubby told me to say that). Don't agree. Which speakers did you listen to? The 83's are brilliant and have extremely good reviews for both movies and music. Maybe if you listen to the Synergy speakers or some of the lesser Reference speakers you might come to this conclusion, but Horn loaded does not have to mean harsh and the better Klipsch speakers are far from it.
el-ricardo Posted June 7, 2008 Author Posted June 7, 2008 I'm amazed now that I believe I have tweaked everything to my listening preferences, I'm very happy and for the record have found myself actually listening to a great deal more music than I did before I received these speakers. It truly is a pleasurable listening experience. The Titan has been ordered but is not expected until sometime near the end of July, I guess the 68kg's takes a while to make it's way from Canada but I'm sure this will be the icing on the cake so to speak.
el-ricardo Posted June 13, 2008 Author Posted June 13, 2008 (edited) Technology is moving at such a fast pace at the moment. Ok, two weeks after ordering the Titan SimAudio announced a new monster amp, the MC-8. It will be six months before it will probably hit Australian shores but after umming and erring about it I've decided I'll wait for this new and improved model, it's not something that will be replaced in my lifetime after I acquire it I'm sure. http://www.simaudio.com/xmoonmc8.htm The interesting comparison's, shipping weight of the Titan was 68kg's, the MC-8 is 89kg's. Fuse in the Titan is 8A, in the MC-8 it's 15A so will require special power. Titan has 200Wpc with a maximum current of 30A, the MC-8 has 250Wpc with a maximum current of 280A (yes this is NOT a typo!). It should be released in the US Aug/Sept. With these amazing spec's I'd rather wait . Edited June 13, 2008 by el-ricardo
broke Posted June 13, 2008 Posted June 13, 2008 My god, that thing is the beastie of beasties!!!! 85w consumption at idle- yikes- 280 amperes of current- double yikes. Your gonna need 3 phase power into your joint. Klipsch being very efficient speakers should make for some VERY LOUD action if you so desired. The wait should be unbearable. The hippies will love ya.
Juicester Posted June 13, 2008 Posted June 13, 2008 how much does one of those cost? reckon i could afford it if i sold my kidney?
el-ricardo Posted June 13, 2008 Author Posted June 13, 2008 Bear in mind 280A is for the DC side, not what it draws from the mains, at full blast (where I would never be able to do that coz I'd be deaf) would be near what the fuse is rated at so just under 15A AC. 85W at idle I believe is fine, it is designed to be powered on all the time due to keeping it at operating temperature, etc, not that bad, just think it like leaving on a 85W globe on all the time, it's really not that much of an issue. And yes I already have 3 phase power . I think this with the Klipsch's will be a fabulous combination. I've been told RRP will be $23K.
Juicester Posted June 13, 2008 Posted June 13, 2008 23k?! who has that kind of dosh?! you are richer than God man....
SDL Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Many people have it, it's just a case of what your priorities are.
el-ricardo Posted June 14, 2008 Author Posted June 14, 2008 (edited) Many people have it, it's just a case of what your priorities are. Exactly and RRP and actual buy price is usually a bit of a difference (not much but a bit!). And put it this way, I'm not married, happily single and never intend on having children so I'm selfish and spend it on myself, even if my friends think my priorities are a bit warped... you only live once, so why not, they're probably just jealous . And everyones desires would be different... hey, I could'nt afford the $85K Dyn Audio speakers but if I won Lotto I'd be doing that . Edited June 14, 2008 by el-ricardo
T and D Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 Hi el-ricardo, I'm interested in Klipsch speakers as well, but I found the price for Klipsch speakers here almost double to in US? Did you have to pay that same ratio for your system? http://sounddistributors.com/productlist.a...Theater+Systems
el-ricardo Posted June 15, 2008 Author Posted June 15, 2008 (edited) Hi el-ricardo, I'm interested in Klipsch speakers as well, but I found the price for Klipsch speakers here almost double to in US? Did you have to pay that same ratio for your system? http://sounddistributors.com/productlist.a...Theater+Systems The RF-83's and RT-12d RRP's are double that of the US but the RC-64 and RS-62 can be quite reasonable but I would say this is mainly due to shipping costs as for example a single RF-83 weigh's 45kg's so you can imagine shipping costs then start to get rather high. I would shop arround as you can find quite a price difference depending on the dealers, most want your business but only a few are willing to deal on the price. Also PM sent, sorry T and D you havn't had a minimum of five postings so I'm unable to send a PM directly. Edited June 15, 2008 by el-ricardo
aj9 Posted August 15, 2009 Posted August 15, 2009 Hi el-ricardo, I'm interested in Klipsch speakers as well, but I found the price for Klipsch speakers here almost double to in US? Did you have to pay that same ratio for your system? http://sounddistributors.com/productlist.a...Theater+Systems Try justklapp as they sell the klipsch range
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