dan2007 Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Oh man I hope for Channel Ten's sake that this is not true.I do like sport, but not 24 hours of it? And if they get rid of HD viewing of their local dramas and overseas dramas, then why in the hell did the waste money on upgrading their shows to be filmed in High Definition then? It would be a total waste if this happens for the drama show side of things.
pgdownload Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 How are ratings still valid thoughLeaving aside your possibly erroneous use of the word 'still'. The ratings are compiled using a quite nifty technology that matches the audio signature of a show with there database. So you can watch a recording of Lost a few days later and you'll still be pinged as having watched the show effectively live. The database is apparently only a week or so long so any longer than that and you are not counted as having seen the show.All that's happening now is that the HD channels will apparently now be included for counting. The ratings are also only menat to reflect the broader communiyt of viewers so those lucky few ahead of the curve that skip ads etc. are effectively discounted anyway. The big problem for the networks is the term 'few' is starting to become quite a significant 'few' since they only get paid according to the number of people actually eye balling the ads. Regards Peter Gillespie
miata Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Leaving aside your possibly erroneous use of the word 'still'. The ratings are compiled using a quite nifty technology that matches the audio signature of a show with there database. So you can watch a recording of Lost a few days later and you'll still be pinged as having watched the show effectively live. The database is apparently only a week or so long so any longer than that and you are not counted as having seen the show.All that's happening now is that the HD channels will apparently now be included for counting. The ratings are also only menat to reflect the broader communiyt of viewers so those lucky few ahead of the curve that skip ads etc. are effectively discounted anyway. The big problem for the networks is the term 'few' is starting to become quite a significant 'few' since they only get paid according to the number of people actually eye balling the ads. Regards Peter Gillespie As opposed to your definite grammatical error? "show with there database." (It should have been their!) Thank you for the explanation of how the rating boxes work though. I do remember that every time my friend turned it on/off, there were a couple of things he had to do, buttons to push (or similar).
davmel Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Regardless of whether sport will be on 24x7 on the HD channel or a new SD channel, it will ultimately be detrimental to what we have now. Sport 24x7 on the only HD channel means no more HD quality National Geographic docos and other tv shows. If what some people are guessing that a 2nd SD channel arrives then that will rob the current HD channel from it's roughly ~16.5Mbps data rate back down to ~12.5Mbps which will look utterly frickin terrible. Whenever the camera pans across a football field of grass it will totally pixelate and look like crap. Looks like my prediction that 2008 will be the last year of good visual quality HD FTA television will come true, as the other networks will surely run themselves into the ground by making the same mistake as well. Looks like all the fat asses that watch sport all day rather than play it themselves won't have to worry about their deteriorating vision as they won't notice how blurry FTA TV will be from 2009 on!
MrMan Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 No HD anything else. Simply wont happen. Pull ya head in Ten
Traitorsgate Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 I do realise that it's one of the rules of this forum that your not meant to talk about illegal torrent downloads, but under the circumstances you have to concede that this sort of decision will simply drive even more people to download HD MKV files of their favourite Dramas. As so few of these shows are getting the HD treatment they deserve in Australia you can't blame people if they simply give up on FTA television in Australia and just download whatever they want to watch. As much as I like the idea of a FTA 24/7 sports channel it simply can't be at the expense of Drama on TV, surely Australian society hasn't been dumbed down that much?
davmel Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 I do realise that it's one of the rules of this forum that your not meant to talk about illegal torrent downloads, but under the circumstances you have to concede that this sort of decision will simply drive even more people to download HD MKV files of their favourite Dramas. Not only that, but it will do the reverse of what Ten wants and push people that want to see amazing National Geographic docos onto Foxtel HD as that will be the only way to see them in HD quality (legally). As much as I like the idea of a FTA 24/7 sports channel it simply can't be at the expense of Drama on TV, surely Australian society hasn't been dumbed down that much? Well aparently we have become a nation of fat asses that loves to watch sport rather than play it ourselves. We're also becoming more like the Americans in not wanting to utilise our remaining brain cells if we have a choice not to. It's truly ironic that Ten have an ad to go out and 'Live Life' by going out and playing sport etc but they are now going stop showing how amazing the world is with documentaries and instead show us hours and hours of NASCAR cars driving endlessly around an oval loop. The human race is doomed if TV execs were ever put in charge of anything more important than a TV station.
moa999 Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 (edited) 4-page announcement on the ASX http://www.asx.com.au/asx/statistics/annou...;issuerCode=TEN "ONE will be broadcast from early 2Q09 in HD on Channel 1 and will also be available in SD on the network's second SD Channel (Channel 12) New logo as well Edited October 28, 2008 by moa999
tonymy01 Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 WTF! Dual-cast sport on SD and HD now!??!?!??!??!??!?! ARGH. So the journalist isn't as stupid as we thought (even though she still got a few things wrong in her report).
Locust Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 "ONE will be broadcast from early 2Q09 in HD on Channel 1 and will also be available in SD on the network's second SD Channel (Channel 12)New logo as well Bloody hell. What an utter waste. SD and HD? And we lose the Thursday night sci-fi programs, too. Ripped off.
LBM Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Am I reading that correctly? ONE will be both SD AND HD AND Ten SD for selected sports!? That is three (reduced HD) channels playing the exact thing that I never watch at the moment? Are Ten completely insane!?
pgdownload Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 (edited) Not only that, but it will do the reverse of what Ten wants and push people that want to see amazing National Geographic docos onto Foxtel HD as that will be the only way to see them in HD quality (legally).Well that, or they could just change the channel to Nine, Seven, Two etc. (hopefully they're stilll legal ) We're not talking about FTA TV all going to 24x7 sport. Channel 10 has decided to try a particular strategy with this. If it works for them (ie revenue exceeds costs) then they'll stick with it. Otherwise they'll presumably switch back to a more conventional mix of shows.Regards Peter Gillespie NB Have to laugh, the ASX statement says Ten will be required to show some of their sport on its primary channel (anti siphoning laws). This would see the event appearing on all three channel 10 shows at once . Also interesting that Ten see the SD Sports channel's role as promoting the 'premium' HD channel. This might suggest the second SD channel might now be a 100% simulcast of the HD one. Perhaps being decommissioned to provide extra bandwidth to the HD channel on the BIG events that also appear on the SD 1 channel. Edited October 28, 2008 by pgdownload
Shonky* Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 I agree that the SD and HD simulcast is a bit dumb. They should be forcing people to go to HD tuners/decoders. Really, anyone serious about sport shouldn't have much issue with this. And then they're going to flog the HD channel on the SD channel too... NBA and MLB + College football and basketball is going to put quite a bit of pressure on Foxtel too. I know people who have Foxtel for just those sports.
DarkElf Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 are they basically replacing the current HD channel or are they adding a new HD channel?
davmel Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Am I reading that correctly? ONE will be both SD AND HD AND Ten SD for selected sports!? That is three (reduced HD) channels playing the exact thing that I never watch at the moment? Are Ten completely insane!? No. Channel 1 - Dedicated HD channel for sport 24x7 (but at noticeable inferior quality to what we have now on TenHD due to reduced bitrate) Channel 10 - Standard SD channel for showing news and other non-sport TV shows Channel 12 - Downscaled SD version of channel 1 for those without HD STB's. Obviously there isn't anyone with a clue at Ten as this is going to piss off everyone. Non-sports fans are going to miss out on the HD quality of all the shows they currently watch, and sports fans are going to be pissed off that the picture quality is going to degrade badly from next year - the SD channel may look better with sports that have rapid movement! Please god, if you have any spare brains the people that work at Ten would really need some right now.
Shonky* Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Am I reading that correctly? ONE will be both SD AND HD AND Ten SD for selected sports!? That is three (reduced HD) channels playing the exact thing that I never watch at the moment? Are Ten completely insane!? 3 channels total. 1 HD + 2 SD 1 = HD Sport 12 = SD Sport (same as 1 otherwise) 10 = SD Normal Programming Currently 12 is a redirect to 1 (which is HD). So you'll see 12 change from HD to SD. It means 1 extra SD channel which will be at the expense of the HD channel bandwidth
Basil1503559642 Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Hi It will be interesting to see the final mix,i've only glanced thru both reports but it sound like its being set up like C7,a separate Channel. Its only a few Months since Ten said they were committed to broadcasting new release Movies in HD so not sure where's "ONE" HD is going to fit into the sceme of things.
davmel Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 are they basically replacing the current HD channel or are they adding a new HD channel? The current HD channel will become a dedicated HD sports channel. The only thing different to now is that a new SD channel (12) is being added. Currently the LCN 12 is just a redirect to the HD stream the same as LCN 1. However LCN 12 will from next year point to an entirely new SD stream which is just a downscaled re-coding of what is shown on LCN 1.
tonymy01 Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Maybe, just maybe, crossing every finger and toe, the 24x7 sport is on the SD channel, and the premium HD sport is on the HD channel, and we still get our HD non-sport shows we love on the HD channel. GOD GOD GOD may it be so.... (and Alah, and the BSG gods). Regards
djOS Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Im happy about the dedicated channel of sport but to have the HD channel duplicated in SD is just stupid!!! I thought that conroy was changing the regs so that the broadcaster could have 1 HD + 1 SD or 2 SD channels and would stop the anti-siphoning laws from applying to multi-channel FTA DTV. I suspect 7 & Nein will follow with a Drama channel & something else so each has a specialist channel as part of their version of "FreeView".
LBM Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 No.Channel 1 - Dedicated HD channel for sport 24x7 (but at noticeable inferior quality to what we have now on TenHD due to reduced bitrate) Channel 10 - Standard SD channel for showing news and other non-sport TV shows Channel 12 - Downscaled SD version of channel 1 for those without HD STB's. What do you mean "no". That would be "yes" - HD (1), SD (12) will be multichannels playing the same content. It also lists that some MUST be shown on their primary channel (10) which would make three channels with the exact same content. Currently 12 is a redirect to 1 (which is HD). So you'll see 12 change from HD to SD. It means 1 extra SD channel which will be at the expense of the HD channel bandwidth ...which is exactly what I said... Did I miss something?
pgdownload Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Im happy about the dedicated channel of sport but to have the HD channel duplicated in SD is just stupid!!! I thought that conroy was changing the regs so that the broadcaster could have 1 HD + 1 SD or 2 SD channels and would stop the anti-siphoning laws from applying to multi-channel FTA DTV.The issue here isn't anti siphoning (which is basically set to dissapear). Its that only 50% of households in Oz have access to digital and probably only half that to HD digital. The second SD channel is simulcasting the HD one simply to gain the maximum possible audience.The ASX statement is quite clear that the HD channel will be 100% sport. Its a bit vague on if the second SD one will be 100% simulcast or might simulcast some stuff and at other times show drama etc. Regards Peter Gillespie
digitalj Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Ten's going to be talking about this in their 5pm news bulletin.
moa999 Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Agree the statement is somewhat vague on the SD channel but is clear as daylight that Channel 1 will become 24hr one sport... I would have thought this would have been a better solution for TEN. Given not all content (both sport and regular TV is in HD and probably won't be for a while - eg I can't see HD for the Aus/NZ Netball, and even F1 doesn't bother with it) Channel 1 - one - 24 hr SD sports channel Channel 10 - ten - existing SD channel Channel 12 - HD channel - showing mix of HD content from one/ ten for those viewers with HD sets
tonymy01 Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Has anyone tried calling the numbers at the bottom (and end) of the ASX report? I am still fractionally sceptical. There is no doubt there will be "24hour sports coverage" as they say, but this is on their "ONE" branded channel. But you read later, and it talks about ONE SD advertising the benefits of ONE HD, suggestion that premium stuff is on the HD, and of course duplicated on both for other stuff. Maybe given the lineup they show, which isn't a *huge* amount more than what they show now, that their "24hour sports coverage" channel can have our fave normal shows still at some time or another? Maybe 24hour means that it will have sports all day, when it is available, but slot in standard progs between the sports coverage.
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