Dork(original) Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 It just goes to show what a mess DTV has been from day one. No surprises really. Paul.
MACCA350 Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 (edited) so are channel 10 still only going to have 1 HD channel = OneHD?YES.......1HD will become OneHD..............in other words channel 10 will have sport and sport ONLY shown in HD...........everything else will be in SD...........No HD movies, No HD TV shows, No HD documentaries, No HD News, No HD kid's shows, etc etc, NO HD AT ALL FOR ANYTHING BUT FRACKING SPORT NO 10 IN HD FOR ME!!!! Anyone notice they quietly left this part out of their announcement on the news................anyone who saw it would be assuming this is an extra HD channel Edited October 28, 2008 by MACCA350
hazzad Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 (edited) No.Channel 1 - Dedicated HD channel for sport 24x7 (but at noticeable inferior quality to what we have now on TenHD due to reduced bitrate) Channel 10 - Standard SD channel for showing news and other non-sport TV shows Channel 12 - Downscaled SD version of channel 1 for those without HD STB's. Obviously there isn't anyone with a clue at Ten as this is going to piss off everyone. Non-sports fans are going to miss out on the HD quality of all the shows they currently watch, and sports fans are going to be pissed off that the picture quality is going to degrade badly from next year - the SD channel may look better with sports that have rapid movement! Please god, if you have any spare brains the people that work at Ten would really need some right now. Jeez that Sports HD channel is gonna look bad. Their current NFL games on the weekends look bad as it is when there is any sign of movement. Reduce the bitrate any further and its gonna look like a pile of poo. Man what a waste. To be fair i never considered 10HD to be very good when it came to HD content anyway...very little in 5.1 and to much sports. Great for sports heads but what about the rest of us. Edited October 28, 2008 by hazzad
tonymy01 Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 And in the Ten news tonight (youtube link above) they mentioned HD sport and showed the F1. It will be snowflakes chance in hell that the F1 will be in HD... but would be great if it was. Bring on MPEG4, my Wiz should be able to decode it :-)
LBM Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 That is the thing - people will think (and already are) that everything will be high definition when this is completely false. It is a waste of bandwidth using the HD 24 hours a day no matter how Ten (or One) tries to spin it. I can't see it lasting the year without changing back to what it currently is. We are all moving to bigger TVs while the networks only supply us LQ WS images. Fortunately 720p rips aren't too bad and there are shows such as "True Blood" that offer the full 1920x1080i TS as well as "House" complete with DD5.1 audio. BTW, Neon Kitten mentioned a link about the copyright police not being worried (from The Age). Any chance of a link to that article?
Colin 2905 Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 it will actually be called "OneHD". They should've put a "B" in front of it, and made the "H" silent.
Guest cemalley Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Just about everything I watch on free to air is on Ten HD - Eureka, Supernatural, NCIS, Smallville, Torchwood, Battlestar. Looks like I won't be watching much FTA especially since the new sports channel doesn't cover A-League football.
tonymy01 Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 I have noticed a quality reduction on 10HD lately also, maybe they have been seeing how bad they can make it... e.g. audio conversion artifacts are really really bad for some shows lately (it used to be you could just hear it in a sustained note, like the BSG long sustained singing in the theme song), but the other night I was hearing it in peoples speech. And a few shows recently seem to have really lousy black levels (e.g. Californication scrolling credits were obvious, the screen was not anywhere near black, I thought my LCD was playing up but brought some Wiz OSD.. pause icon, that has black in it, and it was proper black still... maybe Californication doesn't have pure black in the credits.. but the whole show seemed a bit like that)? Regards
pgdownload Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Just about everything I watch on free to air is on Ten HD - Eureka, Supernatural, NCIS, Smallville, Torchwood, Battlestar.Looks like I won't be watching much FTA especially since the new sports channel doesn't cover A-League football.Channel 10 has been taking lots of low rating shows and putting them on the HD channel startup (instead of just canceling them or showing them at midnight on Christmas eve) For the few of us that like these shows and have a HD PVR its been fantastic but its hardly sustainable. Whether the show is in SD or HD if it rates low then its just costing the network money. Channel 10 (and the other networks) obviously decided its about time to get serious about the HD channels and try use them to grow an audience and maybe even make some money. Tens shot is a sports channel that I'd be pretty certain would probably outrate all of the above shows put together on a single Friday sports night.People are also assuming TenSD is going to be the same as it is now. This obviously isn't going to be the case. All the shows Eureka, Supernatural, NCIS, Smallville, Torchwood, Battlestar are presumably now probably going back to the SD channel to be programmed in at some time (same as in the old days). Most viewers of these shows will probably watch them in SD quite happily (PQ has never been a huge factor for most households). Those more technically minded will make the effort to discover more palatable options. Regards Peter Gillespie
Neon Kitten Posted October 28, 2008 Author Posted October 28, 2008 (edited) How are ratings still valid though, unless thay take into account that an increasing number of people "Timeshift" using one method or another. A friend of mine used to have a box, they took it off him because he watched only (seriously) ABC and nothing else. He must have skewed their results too much? And that, right there, is why the Oztam ratings figures are completely bogus and statistically unsound. As much as I like the idea of a FTA 24/7 sports channel it simply can't be at the expense of Drama on TV, surely Australian society hasn't been dumbed down that much? Unfortunately it has; as someone either here or on TV Tonight commented, when repeats of Border Security rate close to 2 million viewers, you know that Australian society prefers their TV inane, manipulative and fed to them with information repeated 10 times in half an hour so it stands a chance of sinking in. BTW, Neon Kitten mentioned a link about the copyright police not being worried (from The Age). Any chance of a link to that article? http://www.theage.com.au/news/web/illegal-...1935645031.html Key paragraph: For years Australia's copyright enforcers have privately admitted they have no intention of dragging local file-sharers through the courts US-style. The head of the Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft now publicly admits the group has no interest in prosecuting file- sharers. Executive director Adrianne Pecotic says AFACT has more interest in catching those releasing bootleg movies than those sitting on the couch downloading them for their private consumption. "Our aim is not to be going in and bashing down people's doors or suggesting that the police should be taking enforcement action against people who are downloading," Ms Pecotic says. "It's not something we should be wasting police resources on. "Police resources ... need to be used very appropriately to target people who are stealing copies of movies and then uploading them." Edited October 28, 2008 by Neon Kitten
MACCA350 Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Channel 10 has been taking lots of low rating shows and putting them on the HD channel startup (instead of just canceling them or showing them at midnight on Christmas eve) For the few of us that like these shows and have a HD PVR its been fantastic but its hardly sustainable. Whether the show is in SD or HD if it rates low then its just costing the network money. Channel 10 (and the other networks) obviously decided its about time to get serious about the HD channels and try use them to grow an audience and maybe even make some money. Tens shot is a sports channel that I'd be pretty certain would probably outrate all of the above shows put together on a single Friday sports night.People are also assuming TenSD is going to be the same as it is now. This obviously isn't going to be the case. All the shows Eureka, Supernatural, NCIS, Smallville, Torchwood, Battlestar are presumably now probably going back to the SD channel to be programmed in at some time (same as in the old days). Most viewers of these shows will probably watch them in SD quite happily (PQ has never been a huge factor for most households). Those more technically minded will make the effort to discover more palatable options. Regards Peter Gillespie Sorry Peter but I can't swallow that, they could have simply left things the way they are and added the 24/7 sport channel to the extra SD channel...........that makes more sense to me. Even if you are a sport fan you still spend some of your time watching prime time programs <-----which should have the prime viewing option.cheers
pneu Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 I have noticed a quality reduction on 10HD lately also, maybe they have been seeing how bad they can make it...e.g. audio conversion artifacts are really really bad for some shows lately (it used to be you could just hear it in a sustained note, like the BSG long sustained singing in the theme song), but the other night I was hearing it in peoples speech. And a few shows recently seem to have really lousy black levels (e.g. Californication scrolling credits were obvious, the screen was not anywhere near black, I thought my LCD was playing up but brought some Wiz OSD.. pause icon, that has black in it, and it was proper black still... maybe Californication doesn't have pure black in the credits.. but the whole show seemed a bit like that)? Regards I've noticed a lot of shows on 10HD dont have proper black levels, like the people mastering it set the brightness too high or something...Supernatural, NCIS, Californication, Letterman, all have blacks that = dark grey. Considering that most HDTV's cant do black anyway this makes it even worse. Also I am noticing the audio stutter/warble as well, for example The Office.
ummyeah Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 You have to look at the big picture as far as Ten is concerned... Their share price is down so they have to make as much money from as little outlay as possible. A sports channel can easily solve this for them, they buy cheap programming which attracts viewers and in this country, that is sport. This is a forum filled with people that own fantastic set-ups and with quite a bit of knowledge on how good things can be, unfortunately you're not the majority. The Australian majority is happy to watch their favourite game on a pub plasma with an incorrect aspect which has been remodulated 5 times on a dodgy in-house system and not blink an eyelid. What is the percentage of people in this country that believe DVDs are HD? The network's are still taking baby steps as we're such a small competitive market, but the wheels are slowly turning. Ten are a business, so they have to make decisions based on making as much money as possible. The unfortunate fact (well for people in here at least) is that more people will watch the IPL at 11:30pm than a SciFi program. In fact ABC radio's late night cricket commentary out rates Ten's late line-up...and that's pictureless and in mono...
djOS Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 I've noticed a lot of shows on 10HD dont have proper black levels, like the people mastering it set the brightness too high or something...Supernatural, NCIS, Californication, Letterman, all have blacks that = dark grey. Considering that most HDTV's cant do black anyway this makes it even worse.Also I am noticing the audio stutter/warble as well, for example The Office. Maybe your TV needs to be properly calibrated - My ISF calibrated Pio Plasma is delivering excellent PQ inc Black's from 10/10HD.
HSV Guy Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 They should've put a "B" in front of it, and made the "H" silent. rofl I think this would have ti be one of the stupidest decisions made yet (and digital TV hasn't been short on those :-(). Pretty much the only stuff that I watch on TV is in HD and if it isn't in HD I either won't bother at all or find other ways of obtaining it. As for simulcasting the HD sport on an extra SD channel that is just pointless. A much better idea would have been to have 10 (SD) as it is now, 12 (SD) with 24x7 sport and 1 (HD) with prime time tv (dramas etc...) that is available in HD and then HD sport at other times. How manly people are really going to watch NASCAR, netball or golf or even NBA? ...apparently a lot more than what I and many other people would have thought if we would believe some.
dan2007 Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 I am absolutely jacked off about this. For someone who likes to watch all my current Free to Air shows, on then TenHD currently (Neighbours- I know I'm tragic, what can I say, Eureka, House, NCIS, Life and Supernatural) I don[t think I will be able to go back to the Ten normal digital station, I haven't viewed that in months as I'm more included to enjoy my shows in High Definition. I love sports, don't get me wrong, but 24 hours of it!? Yikes, I don't think I will be doing a re-scan in April to get this channel - stuff that! In fact, I'll just delete it and keep the normal Ten digital channel. There I solved this problem. Sports enthusiasts such as my dad, my bro and my uncle, may enjoy this - but me - nah. Not 24 hours of it. Not sure what the other networks have planned, but no doubt they'll do a better job of this, then Ten. I just can't see the benefits of having a 24 hour sports channel and have all the dramas that people enjoy watching in HD canned back into crappy Standard digital quality. A dark day for me and my affair with Channel Ten.
pneu Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Maybe your TV needs to be properly calibrated - My ISF calibrated Pio Plasma is delivering excellent PQ inc Black's from 10/10HD. My black level (brightness) is properly calibrated using DVE. It's only some of 10HD's shows that have really poor blacks, maybe youre not watching those shows or maybe the pio's have such good blacks anyway that it doesnt matter
tonymy01 Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Also I am noticing the audio stutter/warble as well, for example The Office. Ahh, that's right, I knew it was on a recent show I watched, it was really really terrible during The Office.
ger Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Now if they get The A league soccer EPL soccer they will make a killing me thinks
DigitalTV-Whiz Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 (edited) There is gonna be a primetime sports tonight. Edited October 28, 2008 by DigitalTV-Whiz
LBM Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 All the shows Eureka, Supernatural, NCIS, Smallville, Torchwood, Battlestar are presumably now probably going back to the SD channel to be programmed in at some time I don't see them doing that at all. It will now be axed from the offset rather than being HD only. Key paragraph Excellent, thanks for finding the article. Neighbours Why did Ten bother adding so many new HD shows recently? Neighbours, Idol, Fifth Grader, Good News Week, Rush, etc. if they will never show them in HD? Crazy. Oh well, I'm off to watch my 720p Californication as well as some True Blood... The real way to watch entertainment these days.
dan2007 Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 I don't see them doing that at all. It will now be axed from the offset rather than being HD only.Excellent, thanks for finding the article. Why did Ten bother adding so many new HD shows recently? Neighbours, Idol, Fifth Grader, Good News Week, Rush, etc. if they will never show them in HD? Crazy. Oh well, I'm off to watch my 720p Californication as well as some True Blood... The real way to watch entertainment these days. Why did TEN even bother with the Aussie shows in HD? That's an answer I want to know! Seems it was a good waste of time AND perhaps money? Was it expensive to even film these shows in High Definition anyway?
hazzad Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 This is a forum filled with people that own fantastic set-ups and with quite a bit of knowledge on how good things can be, unfortunately you're not the majority. The Australian majority is happy to watch their favourite game on a pub plasma with an incorrect aspect which has been remodulated 5 times on a dodgy in-house system and not blink an eyelid. What is the percentage of people in this country that believe DVDs are HD? This is the exact reason why its pointless using up a whole HD channel for sport. Most people who will watch wont even know the difference? The full use a 2nd SD channel or 24x7 sport would have been a better idea and use 10HD as it is now. A mix of shows and sport to plecate both sides of the fence. A real step back for DTV in this country. I understand that its about maing money but i dont think this is the best solution and i certainly hope the other channles dont go the same way.
hazzad Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Why did TEN even bother with the Aussie shows in HD? That's an answer I want to know! Seems it was a good waste of time AND perhaps money? Was it expensive to even film these shows in High Definition anyway? I dont really understand the point of this comment? Why not provide HD content of local shows? There's plenty of local content produced so i dont see why the effort wouldnt be made to create it in HD?
SimonB1503560073 Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Well, I saw the announcement tonight and thought 'Cool, another HD channel - that'll go down well!' and came here to see the details and, blow me down, I find out that it appears that they're shooting themselves in the goddam foot. I remember when digital TV first started, Ten was one of the leaders way out in front. Not any more. Silly, silly decision. Thank God I know how to use torrents. Bye Ten. Simon....
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