LHC Posted April 9, 2016 Posted April 9, 2016 oh pleeeeese...... You are welcome. Just pointing out not everyone agrees with you. Of course each to their own. The 'feel' of a CVT is not to everyone's taste. 1
rocl444 Posted April 9, 2016 Posted April 9, 2016 just as you have to learn to drive a manual, so you have to learn to drive an auto to get the best out of them. and the DSG is different again and needs some learning too. given the same input, an auto will respond in the same way 100% of the time. if the driver doesn't like what the auto does, then they are the only part that can change. 8ms to get from 1st to 2nd in my mk5 gti and the engine note is wonderful. 2
Guest jakeyb77 Posted April 9, 2016 Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) just as you have to learn to drive a manual, so you have to learn to drive an auto to get the best out of them. and the DSG is different again and needs some learning too. given the same input, an auto will respond in the same way 100% of the time. if the driver doesn't like what the auto does, then they are the only part that can change. 8ms to get from 1st to 2nd in my mk5 gti and the engine note is wonderful. How is that so? I've had the shifting points and characteristics of my auto changed at least 3 times. That's what tuning is. I now have a Senator tune in my Clubsport for town driving. My previous tune would snap your neck going from 1st to 2nd. Edited April 9, 2016 by jakeyb77
betty boop Posted April 9, 2016 Author Posted April 9, 2016 just as you have to learn to drive a manual, so you have to learn to drive an auto to get the best out of them. and the DSG is different again and needs some learning too. given the same input, an auto will respond in the same way 100% of the time. if the driver doesn't like what the auto does, then they are the only part that can change. 8ms to get from 1st to 2nd in my mk5 gti and the engine note is wonderful. DSG is one of the best parts about a golf GTI 1
ArthurDent Posted April 10, 2016 Posted April 10, 2016 DSG is one of the best parts about a golf GTI It would be even better if the gear lever was the right way around. 1
LHC Posted April 10, 2016 Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) Warning: What I write below may be seen as trolling in a tread about hot hatches. If I offended any owners and enthusiasts I apologise upfront. If the mods think this is too far off topic they may remove this post. I drive over two hours to and from work every work days so I have seen a lot of cars on the urban road. I have to say I have rarely seen a hot hatch driven fast or spiritedly, either in straight line or turning corners. GTi, Focus, and even A45, to me they seem to be just plodding along on the road and I have to over take them in my Magna. The only recent occasion I could recall was a A250 driven fast, that driver was impressive. Now I don't dispute hot hatches are really quick and no doubt fun can be had on the track. But on urban roads I rarely see any evidence of that. In fact the only fast vehicles that I often see are larger cars and motorbikes, some that even ran me off the lane. Edited April 10, 2016 by LHC 1
betty boop Posted April 10, 2016 Author Posted April 10, 2016 Warning: What I write below may be seen as trolling in a tread about hot hatches. If I offended any owners and enthusiasts I apologise upfront. If the mods think this is too far off topic they may remove this post. I drive over two hours to and from work every work days so I have seen a lot of cars on the urban road. I have to say I have rarely seen a hot hatch driven fast or spiritedly, either in straight line or turning corners. GTi, Focus, and even A45, to me they seem to be just podding along on the road and I have to over take them in my Magna. The only recent occasion I could recall was a A250 driven fast, that driver was impressive. Now I don't dispute hot hatches are really quick and no doubt fun can be had on the track. But on urban roads I rarely see any evidence of that. In fact the only fast vehicles that I often see are larger cars and motorbikes, some that even ran me off the lane. its one of the benefits of a hot hatch that it combines a car that happily moves between the role of daily drive to a spirited one. the enjoyment factor is usually one for driver not necessarily bystanders my own hot hatches were great even putting about town. in actual fact its not really about being track cars. if you want a track car there are 101 probably better ways to get into that. its about a fairly practical car in a hatch that is also a bit of fun to drive that sets apart from the humdrum of owning any number anonymous white goods on wheels that many makers put out. and the hot hatch segment is hugely popular ask vw...in the merc a250 you mention it was pre sold 12 months out prior to release. a huge success world wide.... thats how much appeal people have for hot hatches. the ford focus RS coming is pretty similar story...so the passion people have for these isn't waining by any means. 1
ArthurDent Posted April 10, 2016 Posted April 10, 2016 Warning: What I write below may be seen as trolling in a tread about hot hatches. If I offended any owners and enthusiasts I apologise upfront. If the mods think this is too far off topic they may remove this post. I drive over two hours to and from work every work days so I have seen a lot of cars on the urban road. I have to say I have rarely seen a hot hatch driven fast or spiritedly, either in straight line or turning corners. GTi, Focus, and even A45, to me they seem to be just podding along on the road and I have to over take them in my Magna. The only recent occasion I could recall was a A250 driven fast, that driver was impressive. Now I don't dispute hot hatches are really quick and no doubt fun can be had on the track. But on urban roads I rarely see any evidence of that. In fact the only fast vehicles that I often see are larger cars and motorbikes, some that even ran me off the lane. Too true as having a quick car certainly doesn't mean it's going to be driven quick (but within the speed limit, yes you can do that). Nor is it any indication of the skill level of the driver. None at all. It's all about status and looking good. Where I live the number of "hot" hatches being trundled around to do the shopping is truly amazing. Mk7 Golf GTI overload. The local VW dealer must be doing real well. Not to mention all the Merc's and BMW's etc. I doubt any of them have ever been beyond a 80kh/hr speed zone. And driven hard though a corner. I suspect not. Sad really. 1
betty boop Posted April 10, 2016 Author Posted April 10, 2016 talking about white goods on wheels, do people remember the toyota GTI16 and SX corolla hatches of the late 80s-90s ? were quite popular for the time. the key ingredient was the rather excellent 100kw twin cam 1600 they had. if I remember they even had a race series for them, definitely were at bathurst for the endurance races though not sure where they got to. 1
Guest Muon Posted April 10, 2016 Posted April 10, 2016 Missed the Datsun banter Had a 240k at one point, has some get up and go for It's day
RockandorRoll Posted April 10, 2016 Posted April 10, 2016 Warning: What I write below may be seen as trolling in a tread about hot hatches. If I offended any owners and enthusiasts I apologise upfront. If the mods think this is too far off topic they may remove this post. I drive over two hours to and from work every work days so I have seen a lot of cars on the urban road. I have to say I have rarely seen a hot hatch driven fast or spiritedly, either in straight line or turning corners. GTi, Focus, and even A45, to me they seem to be just podding along on the road and I have to over take them in my Magna. The only recent occasion I could recall was a A250 driven fast, that driver was impressive. Now I don't dispute hot hatches are really quick and no doubt fun can be had on the track. But on urban roads I rarely see any evidence of that. In fact the only fast vehicles that I often see are larger cars and motorbikes, some that even ran me off the lane. My front tyres would suggest otherwise. As would the few remaining points on my license. i.in the merc a250 you mention it was pre sold 12 months out prior to release. a huge success world wide.... thats how much appeal people have for hot hatches. the ford focus RS coming is pretty similar story...so the passion people have for these isn't waining by any means. I reckon the Merc sold out because it as the only good 'cheap' merc.
betty boop Posted April 10, 2016 Author Posted April 10, 2016 My front tyres would suggest otherwise. As would the few remaining points on my license. ~ am sure you are not alone... ~ I reckon the Merc sold out because it as the only good 'cheap' merc. it sure was a stunner that was for sure....best car have ever owned. wouldn't believe number of people would take their time to check it out ask me about it at every opportunity ! even had a motorcyclist and pinion pull up next to me give me a thumbs up and nod on the free way and yep they sure priced it well as per global head of merc he say A was for attack and they sure made an impression ... 1
LHC Posted April 10, 2016 Posted April 10, 2016 My front tyres would suggest otherwise. As would the few remaining points on my license. No question but I could only go by my own experience and observations. The cars I have seen police pull over and book are not hot hatches. 1
metal beat Posted April 10, 2016 Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) I still drive and love my Mazda Astina 323 SP20.Not sure I could ever go back to an auto gearbox, drivings meant to be fun. Not my car in picture, but mines the same colour. Chris sounds like you don't spend over an hour each way in peak hour traffic getting to and from work. Golf GTI with DSG gearbox has brought back all the fun of driving without any downside so far. Edited April 10, 2016 by metal beat 1
norpus Posted April 11, 2016 Posted April 11, 2016 Are there any RWD hot hatches...? M135i is a seriously quick hatch, and had a large price drop when the A45 hit the market.I would prefer over a fwd hot hatch, esp with that sweet sounding 6.
norpus Posted April 11, 2016 Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) Surprisingly nobody mentions good old Suzuki Swift GTi I was thinking same. And strike me dead, the wife loves her...CVT.....version (oh no, how could that be!) It is a seriously fun car, not a lot of power or torque but the combo of manual shifting with paddles on the CVT keeps the engine running above the 75% rev range at all times when punting it through the twisties. And yes it is fun in the twisties, being only just over a tonne changing direction. I have not been allowed to take it to the track (Winton, where it would be great) but here is one that did 310000 'equivalent' road kays by doing 2800 laps at the 'Ring getting hammered, and yet was unbreakable. (Note this one was manual as it was never driven in a city commute) http://www.bridgetogantry.com/2/index.php/home/news/274-two-years-and-2800-laps-later *One lap of the notorious Nordschleife being equivalent to 200kms of spirited normal road driving There aren't too many cars that would do this, let alone something sub $25k. Nothing to look at, but still a fun, light choice (semi hot only = much more time with license) This looks like fun to me (watch from 6 mins). That Porsche driver was a knob http://youtu.be/fEXXh5lgzaY These guys had even more fun http://youtu.be/ufmyw3fnpmk Edited April 11, 2016 by norpus
betty boop Posted April 11, 2016 Author Posted April 11, 2016 M135i is a seriously quick hatch, and had a large price drop when the A45 hit the market. I would prefer over a fwd hot hatch, esp with that sweet sounding 6. The 135 is s very nice car, huge engine for size car it is, unfortunately bmw has said few times is moving to fwd though from next series for the hatch so quite a possibility this is the last. Good chance they keep rwd for the coupe and sedans though If not wanting the six the current 125i cones with full M gear and a beautiful turbo 2. They've made a lot standard on the car that was optional below. Even the basic car is pretty good buying now 1
betty boop Posted April 11, 2016 Author Posted April 11, 2016 I was thinking same. And strike me dead, the wife loves her...CVT.....version (oh no, how could that be!) It is a seriously fun car, not a lot of power or torque but the combo of manual shifting with paddles on the CVT keeps the engine running above the 75% rev range at all times when punting it through the twisties. And yes it is fun in the twisties I have not been allowed to take it to the track (Winton, where it would be great) but here is one that did 310000 'equivalent' road kays by doing 2800 laps at the 'Ring getting hammered, and yet was unbreakable. (Note this one was manual as it was never driven in a city commute) http://www.bridgetogantry.com/2/index.php/home/news/274-two-years-and-2800-laps-later *One lap of the notorious Nordschleife being equivalent to 200kms of spirited normal road driving There aren't too many cars that would do this, let alone something sub $25k. Nothing to look at, but still a fun, light choice (semi hot only = much more time with license) This looks like fun to me (watch from 6 mins). That Porsche driver was a knob http://youtu.be/fEXXh5lgzaY Unbustable ? Always been rock solid the suzukis ! Burnt through a bit of fuel though no doubt in anger ! And did s clutch too though if still take it over the lacker band in the cvt 1
MrHorsepower Posted April 11, 2016 Posted April 11, 2016 this is my kinda HOT HATCH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbu69SfPzqc
Briz Vegas Posted April 11, 2016 Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) The concept of a hot hatch is more about your relationship with the car than anyone elses. They sometimes look a bit smarter or sportier than the masses but its subtle. I hate the Essex boy image, and an ageing Essex boy is just kinda sad. The hot hatch that i wanted to love looked more like an upmarket hatch than a true sports machine. The rationale for ownership was the roundabout and the twisty mountain road. I have also read about the Engish B road but found that even a Ford Focus seems too big on these narrow roads hemed in by hedges and walls and blind entrances, Too edge of the seat in normal driving without getting too enthusiastic in on s driving style. Edited April 11, 2016 by Briz Vegas 1
mondie Posted April 11, 2016 Posted April 11, 2016 sure is Jake, some more in period wheels and that hatch would be perfect
RockandorRoll Posted April 11, 2016 Posted April 11, 2016 Now this is what we called a Hot Hatch Did you though? seriously, was that a term 'back in the day'?
Guest jakeyb77 Posted April 11, 2016 Posted April 11, 2016 Did you though? seriously, was that a term 'back in the day'? nah you're right it was probably that Hatch is Sh!t hot!
analog brother Posted April 12, 2016 Posted April 12, 2016 i see a lot of amg being driven everyday by drivers who don't know what amg is. 1
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