Skid_MacMarx Posted August 13, 2012 Posted August 13, 2012 No I'm on ADSL2+. I'm about 300 metres from my exchange. Are you still in Port digitalj? I attended the school across from that exchange. Nice spot near Town Beach et al.
digitalj Posted August 13, 2012 Posted August 13, 2012 The coalition claimed in the news tonight that they could deliver the nbn for 1/4 of the cost of labors plan. The coalition have no forward vision imo. All they can ever is provide for what we need now rather than in 10+ years.
Dork(original) Posted August 13, 2012 Posted August 13, 2012 The job ahead is so big. The politicians have no idea. It will only become more expensive. The more we talk about it at work the more we shake our collective heads. Think about high rise housing commision buildings or any high rise for that matter. Places in the hills a lot of dropwire fibre. If any of you live in a flat or apartment have look at how it's cabled. Food for thought. Anyway back to BB. Paul.
Aloysius Posted August 13, 2012 Author Posted August 13, 2012 The coalition claimed in the news tonight that they could deliver the nbn for 1/4 of the cost of labors plan. The coalition have no forward vision imo. All they can ever is provide for what we need now rather than in 10+ years. Yeah - rigjht,. and we still don't know how much the Governments vision will cost - or when it might arrive Come to think about it, it's the same for almost all their visions. Remember Cash for Clunkers ? Pink Batts? Laptops in schools? Asylum Seeker policy? Grocery hotline? Etc, Etc, please add you own particular memory/bad dream. I know - it's bloody embarrassing isn't it?
digitalj Posted August 13, 2012 Posted August 13, 2012 Ah yes. Should've known the lib trolls would come along.
digitalj Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 With the coalitions plan, by the time they've finished rolling it out, it'll already be time to upgrade again whereas labors means upgrades won't be required for maybe 30-50 years and even then only the end hardware will need upgrading as the fibre will be more than able to cope with what ever speed requirements we'll have at the time.
Guest obee Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 With the coalitions plan, by the time they've finished rolling it out, it'll already be time to upgrade again whereas labors means upgrades won't be required for maybe 30-50 years and even then only the end hardware will need upgrading as the fibre will be more than able to cope with what ever speed requirements we'll have at the time. Say what..................................I won't see it for 30-50 years.
mello yello Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 The job ahead is so big. The politicians have no idea. It will only become more expensive. The more we talk about it at work the more we shake our collective heads. Think about high rise housing commision buildings or any high rise for that matter. Places in the hills a lot of dropwire fibre. If any of you live in a flat or apartment have look at how it's cabled. Food for thought. Anyway back to BB. Paul. you can do it Sir Paul C A N theres no T in CAN we're counting on you Teleco's its why you were knighted we need a better Internet !!!!!!
DrP Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 With the coalitions plan, by the time they've finished rolling it out, it'll already be time to upgrade again whereas labors means upgrades won't be required for maybe 30-50 years and even then only the end hardware will need upgrading as the fibre will be more than able to cope with what ever speed requirements we'll have at the time. Now now digitalj, there's no need to raise legitimate salient points! Base trolling and out right lies, such as demonstrated by the conservatives on this forum, is all that is required.
Skid_MacMarx Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 No answer huh? Rather than "capital expenditure," Howard's mate Ziggy gave the government excessive dividends.. if those funds actually went back into modernising the network .. it wouldn't cost so much now. Like I've said before, the coalition don't create surpluses.. they rob Peter to pay Paul Lets not forget.. Aloysius's great mate Abbott said he would rip up the NBN Talk about backflips,,, that was the best one I've heard http://www.news.com.au/technology/coalition-wont-scrap-nbn-turnbull/story-e6frfrnr-1226412932539
DrP Posted September 12, 2012 Posted September 12, 2012 What's that Malcom? Private households only need 3.5Mbit/sec? Oh, now its 12Mbit/sec? No wait, its 25Mbit/sec. Hold on a sec, you mean you now think private households can now do with 80Mbit/sec? I wonder where Mal will peg the speed tomorrow.
digitalj Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 http://www.speedtest.net/result/2177211737.png :P
betty boop Posted September 24, 2012 Posted September 24, 2012 interesting to hear malcolm turnbull this evening on the 7:30 report. and he is quite right things are moving way too slow. what only 5000 homes hooked upto date....countless estates sitting waiting for nbn that wont come to them for years...and in the mean time they have to rely on a mobile phone. not even a copper land line becasue of the nbn. his idea of "fibre to the cabinet" is pretty good where most get 50-80 mbps. leaves the hard part of running fibre to the premise. and also leaves open the option of doing that later is there is the need. in the mean time gets people broadband access a lot sooner. but yeah nbn and co wont listen continue on their slow meandering path...until next election....
Maverick Posted September 24, 2012 Posted September 24, 2012 Does anyone truly believe the NBN will run to completion regardless of which party gets into office? It will take literally decades for this to be finished, if it ever truly will be finished and I suspect that there will come a time when the government of the day will draw a line in the sand and say that's it we will not pay for any more roll out. There will be a scattering of NBN provisioned towns and suburbs around the country but most will still be on copper line or some other technology yet to come into existance. Looking at the roll out in the ACT and it will take another 3 years before they are going to get to my suburb, I certainly am not hopefull of that ever occuring.
digitalj Posted September 24, 2012 Posted September 24, 2012 (edited) I personally have doubts that the coalition will continue the rollout as currently planned if they are elected. Not that it really matters for me as I live very close to the exchange. Edited September 24, 2012 by digitalj
Aloysius Posted September 24, 2012 Author Posted September 24, 2012 Does anyone truly believe the NBN will run to completion regardless of which party gets into office? It will take literally decades for this to be finished, if it ever truly will be finished and I suspect that there will come a time when the government of the day will draw a line in the sand and say that's it we will not pay for any more roll out. There will be a scattering of NBN provisioned towns and suburbs around the country but most will still be on copper line or some other technology yet to come into existance. Looking at the roll out in the ACT and it will take another 3 years before they are going to get to my suburb, I certainly am not hopefull of that ever occuring. Yep it will never finish - the extended delivery time almost guarantees that emerging technologies will make completion of the NBN uneconomic.
DrP Posted September 24, 2012 Posted September 24, 2012 Turnbull: Labor's NBN is too expensive, out alternative is much cheaper. How much, Mr Turnbull? Turnbull: It'll be cheaper! How much, Mr Turnbull? Turnbull: It'll be cheaper! You said that last time, how much will it be? Turnbull: We have fully costed it and it will be cheaper! Turnbull: It'll be cheaper!!!!!!* *but we haven't costed it and we won't tell you any actual figures until after the next election Libs. What else to expect but lies, lies and more lies.
Autocrat Posted September 24, 2012 Posted September 24, 2012 Does anyone truly believe the NBN will run to completion regardless of which party gets into office? It will take literally decades for this to be finished, if it ever truly will be finished and I suspect that there will come a time when the government of the day will draw a line in the sand and say that's it we will not pay for any more roll out. There will be a scattering of NBN provisioned towns and suburbs around the country but most will still be on copper line or some other technology yet to come into existance. Looking at the roll out in the ACT and it will take another 3 years before they are going to get to my suburb, I certainly am not hopefull of that ever occuring. Current plans are for it to be complete in 10 years. It may take longer than that, but "literally decades" isn't right. Also, most of the funding (borrowing) is up front, and tapers off as revenue streams increase to fill the funding gap. The requirement for government funding will have disappeared long before it is complete, so the further down the track we go the less need for government to pull the pin. Of course, if the Libs get in they'll sell it off to private interests and it'll never get rolled out where it's really needed because that's more expensive. Which is why the NBN is being built in the first place. So put me in the "does anyone truly believe..." category, with the caveat that the Libs will privatise and wreck it if they're elected next year.
Aloysius Posted September 25, 2012 Author Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) Isn't the present Government policy to build it and then privatise? Edited September 25, 2012 by Aloysius
JSmith Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 Isn't the present Government policy to build it and then privatise? Yes... what's that got to do with the Libs wanting to do that before it's completed? JSmith
Tweet Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) Yep it will never finish - the extended delivery time almost guarantees that emerging technologies will make completion of the NBN uneconomic. So what are those emerging technologies you speak of, that also offer a backbone communications network Australia wide, interference free with high security, huge capacity with very high bitrates, and, being far more economical ? C.M Edited September 25, 2012 by Tweet
Maverick Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 Current plans are for it to be complete in 10 years. It may take longer than that, but "literally decades" isn't right. Also, most of the funding (borrowing) is up front, and tapers off as revenue streams increase to fill the funding gap. The requirement for government funding will have disappeared long before it is complete, so the further down the track we go the less need for government to pull the pin. Of course, if the Libs get in they'll sell it off to private interests and it'll never get rolled out where it's really needed because that's more expensive. Which is why the NBN is being built in the first place. So put me in the "does anyone truly believe..." category, with the caveat that the Libs will privatise and wreck it if they're elected next year. 10 Years? Now I doubt anyone would believe they will have rolled out the NBN across the country in 10 years. Good grief they have only just scratched the surface in the ACT and this is a pretty small Territory. With the rate at which new estates are going in they wont have time to address the older suburbs completely in 10 years.
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