DrP Posted June 8, 2012 Posted June 8, 2012 It didn't do the trick so its going to be looked at ... again. Darned tricky things, these copper wires.
betty boop Posted June 8, 2012 Posted June 8, 2012 getting back on topic, so ask again, has anyone here been connected to the nbn, keen for some feedback.. what actual download/upload speeds your getting. we just dont seem to hear anything much from anyone. I know we read about the story last year of the 7 people that got connected http://www.zdnet.com.au/nbn-armidale-launches-for-7-customers-339315262.htm maybe someone else connected since can give us a heads up and given my place is on their plan as in the never-never so maybe reading about it best going to get for a real long while
Tweet Posted June 9, 2012 Posted June 9, 2012 I guess the higher the speed and usage the NBN offers you, the less selective one becomes in 'junk downloads'. Much like 'junk' mail drops are. C.M
DrP Posted June 10, 2012 Posted June 10, 2012 (edited) It turns out that the cabling in my area is so deteriorated that all the spare pairs have been used. All that's left to patch up services are individual wires that can be split out of a bad pair. Of course, given that ADSL is designed to operate over twisted pairs this has had a rather devasating affect on my broadband speed. For the time being I have broadband again at half the speed it was before*. I wonder how many minutes (months, then weeks, then days all became too long a descriptor) it'll last this time. Does Telstra take that massive drop into account in its access fees? Of course not. Telstra charges the same no matter what speed you get. Yet some idiotic people say there's no need for NBN. Edited June 10, 2012 by DrP
Tweet Posted June 10, 2012 Posted June 10, 2012 It turns out that the cabling in my area is so deteriorated that all the spare pairs have been used. All that's left to patch up services are individual wires that can be split out of a bad pair. Of course, given that ADSL is designed to operate over twisted pairs this has had a rather devasating affect on my broadband speed. For the time being I have broadband again at half the speed it was before*. I wonder how many minutes (months, then weeks, then days all became too long a descriptor) it'll last this time. Does Telstra take that massive drop into account in its access fees? Of course not. Telstra charges the same no matter what speed you get. Yet some idiotic people say there's no need for NBN. Another problem using split pairs to patch a service through is crosstalk between adjacent pairs in the cable. This can cause an 'invasion of privacy' issue between yourself and the subscribers of the adjacent pairs. So beware of that, it is because your line is using unbalanced pairs. C.M
DrP Posted June 10, 2012 Posted June 10, 2012 Don't I know it. The DSL tech discovered high levels of interferrence on the line and had my turn off the power to make sure it wasn't anything in my house producing RFI. It turns out that someone else's ADSL service is heavily leaking into my now untwisted pair. Unfortunately the 'fix' only worked for a few hours. My broadband service is once again doing a fine impression of a yoyo.
swordfish805 Posted June 10, 2012 Posted June 10, 2012 Doc you gotta move to civilisation - get outta Queensland while you still can.
Autocrat Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 Love these photos: http://delimiter.com.au/2012/05/01/worst-of-the-worst-photos-of-australias-copper-network/ This is the network the Libs want to keep at then end of the fibre, apparently it's a really great cost-effective solution. Arseholes.
Tweet Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 Howard should never have privatised the network, there's little staff to even straighten out this mess, let alone fix the faults in a reasonable time. If it wasn't for the mobile network we'd all be in dire straits when the weather turns nasty. C.M
Skid_MacMarx Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 Huawei barred from NBN rollout THE Federal Government was concerned about cyber attacks originating in China when it rejected a bid by Huawei to take part in the rollout of the National Broadband Network. The government said yesterday it was committed to protecting the integrity of its proposed $36 billion high-speed Internet network following a report it had banned Huawei Technologies from taking part because of concerns about cyber attacks originating in China. Huawei has so far failed to land any work for the national high-speed Internet network, which aims to connect 93 per cent of Australia's homes and businesses with optical fiber, despite putting together a board for its Australian unit that includes former foreign minister Alexander Downer and John Brumby, the former premier of Victoria. A report says federal government officials late last year told Huawei not to bother tendering for any supply contracts for the national broadband network. Officials also advised the company that Canberra was aware of Chinese government attacks citing unnamed people familiar with the matter, reports said. http://www.theaustra...r-1226309888516 ZTE and Huawei execs get ten years for bribery Huawei and ZTE suffered a PR blow this week after it emerged that executives from the company had been convicted of bribery offences in Algeria and sentenced in their absence to ten years each in jai http://www.theregist...ribery_algeria/
Dork(original) Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) Love these photos: http://delimiter.com...copper-network/ This is the network the Libs want to keep at then end of the fibre, apparently it's a really great cost-effective solution. Arseholes. I think they want FTTN then fix up the CAN(Copper Access Network) from the pillar(Node) to you home. And or Wireless.(over to you Doc) Not much maintence is being done. As it will soon be obsolete. A lot of joints get remade and some lenghts replaced depending on how bad they are. So be patient the NBN will be coming to you soon Edited June 13, 2012 by Mr craptastic
DrP Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 Problem is the Libs figures don't include the large cost of repairing (in reality this means rip and replace for a lot of us) that 'last mile'. Whilst the Libs talk about replacing 'flood prone' cabling in some areas with fibre that's it. Repair of the 'last mile' is left up to the telco (ie, Telstra). A couple of billion dollars needs to be tacked onto the Libs broadband plans to cover this cost. That will never happen as it only goes to demonstrate that the 2/3 of the customers getting 2/3 the speed for 2/3 of the build price Liberal plan isn't as good as its made out to be. NBN is supposedly rolling out in my area in 2013 (ie if the Libs don't cancel it). If that day ever comes Telstra will be gone from my house. Forever. There's been a Telstra / Telecom / PMG service here for 40+ years.
betty boop Posted August 8, 2012 Posted August 8, 2012 wow what a blow out ! going to cost billions more than originally signed off on ! http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/nbn-costs-blow-out-by-billions-20120808-23u0f.html another 2.9 billion apparently and operating expenditure up also 3.2 billion ! bloody hell. thats billions and how behind is the plan only 92,000 to be connected by june 2013 instead of the 419,000 premises that were to be connected by june 2013 in their last plan. cannot imagine how can blow out such a significant amount and be so behind in their plans. no doubt the apologists will still claim its all going to plan and tickety boo ! yeah boo indeed !
Nevyn72 Posted August 8, 2012 Posted August 8, 2012 [quote name=' timestamp='1344423261' post='1824629] wow what a blow out ! going to cost billions more than originally signed off on ! http://www.theage.co...0808-23u0f.html another 2.9 billion apparently and operating expenditure up also 3.2 billion ! bloody hell. thats billions and how behind is the plan only 92,000 to be connected by june 2013 instead of the 419,000 premises that were to be connected by june 2013 in their last plan. cannot imagine how can blow out such a significant amount and be so behind in their plans. no doubt the apologists will still claim its all going to plan and tickety boo ! yeah boo indeed ! Well if you look a little deeper you might not find so much to get upset about as it actually makes some economic sense..... Cost blowout is due to the decision to wire up every single home from the start rather than send a crew back out each time a resident decides to sign up. Makes sense given the crews and equipment will be there during the roll-out phase...... I think this ir referred to as 'efficient' or 'future proofing'...... The reduced number connected is largely due to delays caused by Tel$tra holding up proceedings for the purchase and handover of their fibre network, now the ball is rolling again but there has been a delay in the rate of progress as a result.
DrP Posted August 8, 2012 Posted August 8, 2012 (edited) ... and if you look even deeper, well not really, you'll find that the cost of the project has in reality only gone up by 1.5 billion... and it still comes in well under the original figure of 43 billion. Of course, such trivialities as the actual figures should never be considered in an infrastructure programme of this magnitude. That Liberal programmes, many times smaller than the scale of NBN, conducted in say NSW in the past have exceeded their originally stated cost by over 5 billion dollars should also not be referred to. All that matters here is NBN is BAD! Then again, what else can one expect from a publishing company that is only interested in stiring things up to sell more copy. Oh, and engineers in undeclared fields too. Apparently not only do they believe lossless audio codecs are in fact lossy, their math skills aren't particularly impressive either. A curious thing about these engineers, they bleat complain whine and carry on about the state of internet access in this country, but when it comes to sweaing off their NBN connection and baring NBN Co from their premises... well that never seems to happen. I've made a terrible mistake. I accidentally applied the Australian standard of accounting to the figures (the one recognised by CPAs across the country). I should have applied the Liberal party standard of accounting whereby shortfalls of 11 billion dollars are invisible and cost underruns are announced as blow outs. I sincerely apologise to the Off Topic section for making this grievous error. Edited August 8, 2012 by DrP
Aloysius Posted August 8, 2012 Author Posted August 8, 2012 All that fine rhetoric to justify another failure - the facts are that the CEO of that newly created impending fiasco reported delays and higher costs - CPA that :hyper:
Dork(original) Posted August 8, 2012 Posted August 8, 2012 What are you lot whingeing about.I'm getting 20mbps ATM. But i must admit i'm in an exchange connected to the port Paul.
digitalj Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 what do I need the NBN for? http://speedtest.net/result/2107576791.png
Dork(original) Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 Dig,noice! I get 4.5mbps @ home on ADSL. I would be happy with 10. I don't need 100mbps Are you on cable? Paul.
Guest obee Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 Here we go again, round and round the mulberry bush...................................
Skid_MacMarx Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 Somehow I think I'll see the NBN before ADSL2 materialises.
hornblower Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 ... and if you look even deeper, well not really, you'll find that the cost of the project has in reality only gone up by 1.5 billion... and it still comes in well under the original figure of 43 billion. Of course, such trivialities as the actual figures should never be considered in an infrastructure programme of this magnitude. That Liberal programmes, many times smaller than the scale of NBN, conducted in say NSW in the past have exceeded their originally stated cost by over 5 billion dollars should also not be referred to. All that matters here is NBN is BAD! Then again, what else can one expect from a publishing company that is only interested in stiring things up to sell more copy. Oh, and engineers in undeclared fields too. Apparently not only do they believe lossless audio codecs are in fact lossy, their math skills aren't particularly impressive either. A curious thing about these engineers, they bleat complain whine and carry on about the state of internet access in this country, but when it comes to sweaing off their NBN connection and baring NBN Co from their premises... well that never seems to happen. I've made a terrible mistake. I accidentally applied the Australian standard of accounting to the figures (the one recognised by CPAs across the country). I should have applied the Liberal party standard of accounting whereby shortfalls of 11 billion dollars are invisible and cost underruns are announced as blow outs. I sincerely apologise to the Off Topic section for making this grievous error. But you wil (eventually) get beatifully gold plated connection just like NSW is getting a gold plated energy supply. In the meantime Optus and Telstra are busy installing 4G. hornblower ( an engineer in undeclared fields, whatever that means)
digitalj Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 Dig,noice! I get 4.5mbps @ home on ADSL. I would be happy with 10. I don't need 100mbps Are you on cable? Paul. No I'm on ADSL2+. I'm about 300 metres from my exchange.
DrP Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 But you wil (eventually) get beatifully gold plated connection just like NSW is getting a gold plated energy supply. In the meantime Optus and Telstra are busy installing 4G. hornblower ( an engineer in undeclared fields, whatever that means) Oh dear. It looks like trollboy2 has swallowed the hook, the line and the sinker on the NSW power grid. I guess this has to be expected from silly engineers that are too embarassed to state what they actually 'engineer'. I suppose I could ask for trollboy2 to demonstrate a 4G network in Australia that i) can service every household concurrently and ii is actually capable of supply the amount of data used without grinding to a halt. Of course, I don't expect any sort of sane response... because he is quite silly afterall.
hornblower Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Oh dear. It looks like trollboy2 has swallowed the hook, the line and the sinker on the NSW power grid. I guess this has to be expected from silly engineers that are too embarassed to state what they actually 'engineer'. I suppose I could ask for trollboy2 to demonstrate a 4G network in Australia that i) can service every household concurrently and ii is actually capable of supply the amount of data used without grinding to a halt. Of course, I don't expect any sort of sane response... because he is quite silly afterall. Oh dear, another idiotic comment by the local expert. hornblower
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