DrP Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 (edited) Don't forget folks, according to the Libs NBN will now cost 100 billion dollars. Please disregard that the upfront (to be paid back over time) costs of NBN to the public is around a fifth of that and that repeated costings by reputable third parties suggest that the full build cost will be far below forty billion dollars. Please disregard that far far more people than expected are opting for 100Mbit services which considerably reduces the pay back time of the project. Please disregard that Telstra publicly admits that it is currently spending about 1 billion dollars a year (up from about 300 million a year 10 years ago) maintaining the copper network and that in the time the Libs expect they could roll out their FTTN system any 'cost savings' between their plan and the actual NBN costs would be swallowed without a trace by that ongoing 1 billion dollar a year copper line maintenance. Please disregard that even after the Libs FTTN was built that 1 billion dollar a year copper line maintenance would continue and continue to grow too so that 15 years after the Libs FTTN was built the copper line maintenance costs alone would have exceeded NBNs entire build price. But hey. Its OK. Its just the Libs doing what they do best. Lie. Edited October 24, 2012 by DrP
Skid_MacMarx Posted February 27, 2013 Posted February 27, 2013 Worth reading... The vast differences between the NBN and the Coalition's alternative The Coalition's broadband policy slogan states that they will "Complete the current NBN cheaper and faster." This simply isn't true.... http://www.abc.net.a.../21/3695094.htm
Aloysius Posted February 27, 2013 Author Posted February 27, 2013 Heh heh - even the much vaunted NBN is starting to look shaky - and that from it's CEO. Funny the kinda folks that come in to bat for it really - representative of an educated minority - ALP enthusiasts
betty boop Posted March 1, 2013 Posted March 1, 2013 so this thread is coming upto 2 years old now. is there anyone....anyone out on the forum can post back that they actually have the nbn ? and how its bringing them benefit . or are they just a statistic...you know to be one day hooked up on the never never... otherwise this whole thing is turning into more and more like a yes minister episode....you know the one where the pm is being taken through the best run hospital....without any actual patients oh yeah the project is going along just fine...hitting all milestones all well within budget....efficiencies are best ever...but what about actually hooking people upto the nbn......ummmmm
myrantz Posted March 1, 2013 Posted March 1, 2013 [quote name=' timestamp='1362123753' post='1869228] so this thread is coming upto 2 years old now. is there anyone....anyone out on the forum can post back that they actually have the nbn ? Here in Perth only the rich gets the NBN - Stirling (soon) , Applecross and Victoria Park... They're actually building and expanding the NBN at a much faster pace than I thought.. Given their schedule I expect to get NBN in about 20 years ... ATM I'm still dealing with issues with my ISP on some problems... Copper is limited, it's good for emails and simple browsing.. With the work I'm in I need fast broadband...
betty boop Posted March 1, 2013 Posted March 1, 2013 yeah well supposedly in my suburb now....but where .... we aint getting anything....and no news when we ever will !
JSmith Posted March 1, 2013 Posted March 1, 2013 Funny the kinda folks that come in to bat for it really - representative of an educated minority - ALP enthusiasts FFS mate, what do you suggest then... a couple of can's and some string? JSmith
Dork(original) Posted March 1, 2013 Posted March 1, 2013 See every post from me regarding this topic. It's too hard/costly and it will be mish mash of FTTH,FTTN and wireless, Paul.
myrantz Posted March 1, 2013 Posted March 1, 2013 [quote name=' timestamp='1362124399' post='1869233] yeah well supposedly in my suburb now....but where .... we aint getting anything....and no news when we ever will ! Lucky you .. Check with your ISP they probably have some idea... Me on the other hand will be stuck with copper for a while... Not that I'm complaining.. At least now I have an excuse of not bringing work back...
Aloysius Posted March 1, 2013 Author Posted March 1, 2013 FFS mate, what do you suggest then... a couple of can's and some string? JSmith I suggest you get a coupla cans and some string OK?
betty boop Posted March 3, 2013 Posted March 3, 2013 See every post from me regarding this topic. It's too hard/costly and it will be mish mash of FTTH,FTTN and wireless, Paul. yep certainly getting that impression. and your pretty close to it Lucky you .. Check with your ISP they probably have some idea... Me on the other hand will be stuck with copper for a while... Not that I'm complaining.. At least now I have an excuse of not bringing work back... oh no, nothing lucky here, this is what it says for our address. Not currently available The NBN is coming to your place; however construction hasn't commenced in your area as yet. all there is, is one tiny spot theyre popping a bit of fibre in about a km away who knows what thats for, certainly not for us, not even in the next 3 years it seems ! interesting article here in the press, http://www.theage.com.au/national/so-how-about-that-national-broadband-whatsit-20130302-2fd7t.html so end 2012, some facts, How many people are on the NBN? At the end of 2012, 34,500 Australian homes and businesses were using the NBN. Of these, 10,400 were connected by fibre, and the rest by fixed wireless and satellite. but this is the stat no doubt nbn co will crow about ! This is trickier to work out. The statistic to look at is ''premises passed'', which means the network is installed and the NBN services can be bought from a telephone or internet service provider. By December 2012, 339,700 premises had been passed, but it has been reported that some of these buildings are not yet able to access the NBN . looks like they drive past a lot of houses yet only hook up very few ! I hope turnbull gets his way of fibre to the footpath. might speed up things rather than the p!ss poor progress so far !
myrantz Posted March 5, 2013 Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) [quote name=' timestamp='1362270847' post='1869544] The NBN is coming to your place; however construction hasn't commenced in your area as yet. all there is, is one tiny spot theyre popping a bit of fibre in about a km away who knows what thats for, certainly not for us, not even in the next 3 years it seems ! Haha, figures, they're fudging numbers... Learnt something new last week - apparently some ADSL chipsets are better than others... Got myself a new modem in the hope of fixing some woes and I'm now I'm syncing at 1+Mbps faster.. Current speed is now 4.5Mbps, not blazing fast, but at least it's not that woeful now... Edited March 5, 2013 by myrantz
JSmith Posted March 5, 2013 Posted March 5, 2013 I suggest you get a coupla cans and some string OK? Very technical reply... in fact your reply displays your ignorance on this issue. JSmith
Aloysius Posted March 5, 2013 Author Posted March 5, 2013 Very technical reply... in fact your reply displays your ignorance on this issue. JSmith Heh heh - it was your suggestion repeated back to you? If you are calling yourself ignorant, well - that's your right I guess.
JSmith Posted March 5, 2013 Posted March 5, 2013 Stop beating around the bush, the ignorance was your reply to begin with... if you don't think the NBN is a worthwhile project, then what do you suggest in it's place? (did I really have to spell that one out for you? ) JSmith
Dork(original) Posted March 5, 2013 Posted March 5, 2013 Haha, figures, they're fudging numbers... Learnt something new last week - apparently some ADSL chipsets are better than others... Got myself a new modem in the hope of fixing some woes and I'm now I'm syncing at 1+Mbps faster.. Current speed is now 4.5Mbps, not blazing fast, but at least it's not that woeful now... ADSL exchange ports vary.You have the original CMUX ports,NEC ports AM35.(DSLAM) The most stable ports are ISAM's as they are less prone to dropouts. Then you have to put up with congested DSLAM's which give you slow thru-put regardles of what you're syncing at. Telstra wont spend money on upgrades as it will be obsolete in two decades(maybe two years) Also think about RIM's and CMUX's.Top hats have been canned also. Paul
Dork(original) Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 Chops just doing some research on this for you. I will let you know when i know.Know what i mean. I don't know why keep typing the word know. Paul
myrantz Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 Telstra wont spend money on upgrades as it will be obsolete in two decades(maybe two years) Also think about RIM's and CMUX's.Top hats have been canned also. Telstra is not upgrading, NBN isn't coming.. I'm screwed . Funnily enough my Internet is ok, as long as it doesn't rain!!!
betty boop Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 [/size] Telstra is not upgrading, NBN isn't coming.. I'm screwed . Funnily enough my Internet is ok, as long as it doesn't rain!!! consider yourself lucky vs the poor sods in new estates where nbn wont allow a copper line and neither will they come put nbn in ! *blink* know a guy at work whom has to use his mobile phone to create a wireless network !
myrantz Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 [quote name=' timestamp='1362555616' post='1870270] consider yourself lucky vs the poor sods in new estates where nbn wont allow a copper line and neither will they come put nbn in ! *blink* know a guy at work whom has to use his mobile phone to create a wireless network ! Indeed... I feel better now lol... 4.5mbps is way better than 0 ... You can tell your friend to use 3G modems (or modems with 3G USB dongles). That is a more permanent solution than using a mobile phone (downside is need another plan)...
Autocrat Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) Yet more evidence that they were never serious about it in the first place ... it was just a big barrel of pork Rubbish. NBNCo just signed a $300m contract for launching the satellites the year after next. In the meantime, most people who'll be using the full satellite service can get an interim 6mbps service pretty damned cheaply. Aside: Every week Turnbull comes out with another spray of misinformation, the same people seem to lap it up as if it's the gospel truth. His latest plan is for individuals to pay for their own connections, reverse means testing of infrastructure is such a great idea, isn't it? The current mess that is telecommunications in this country is a direct (and highly predicatble) result of the Libs privatising Telstra badly. They haven't got a clue, ideologically they are opposed to government providing any services, so they can't understand that something like internet access is no longer a luxury, it's an absolute necessity. Like electricity. As always, the same people complaining about the NBN are the first ones to whine when the can't connect to it. Most of the coalition, for starters. Accusations of pork barrelling as above have absolutely no evidence to back them up, as per NBNco: We will prioritise construction of the NBN in communities in regional and rural Australia with limited or no current access to broadband. Different geographies and landscapes are selected as Fibre Serving Areas (FSA) that allow us to test and refine the NBN design. All FSAs are built on a transmission ring in a sequence. Construction will commence in a selected FSA with adjacent FSAs built as the next priority. Fixed wireless infrastructure construction expected to be accelerated so as to have the network completed by 2015. The NBN in Tasmania is estimated to be completely rolled out by 2015 Chances are if you live in a Liberal electorate, you've already got a decent internet connection, because that's how it works when infrastructure is left to private companies. They'll invest where the returns are, and sod the rest, any other mode of operation and they aren't behaving rationally. Does anyone think we'd have a national copper network now if a Lib government of the opposition's ilk had been in power? Not a chance. FWIW, I'm in a 3-year+ area for the NBN, but I'm one of the lucky ones to already have decent ADSL. Most people outside capital cities aren't so fortunate. Edited March 7, 2013 by Autocrat
Guest obe Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 Autocrat ................................................ more like - - - - - - - - - - - -autoCRAP
Aloysius Posted March 7, 2013 Author Posted March 7, 2013 See the thing is Turnbull has more class, more integrity and more brains than those who oppose - how unsurprising that an ALP spin Meister like the AUTO CRAP has "asides" denigrating a fine australian. Even a rough Abbott has Gillard sorted - imagine how easy it would be for Turnbull
Skid_MacMarx Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 [quote name=' timestamp='1362555616' post='1870270] consider yourself lucky vs the poor sods in new estates where nbn wont allow a copper line and neither will they come put nbn in ! *blink* know a guy at work whom has to use his mobile phone to create a wireless network ! I can't see the point of laying copper than having to rip it up for optical At least 3G/LTE wireless data is a lot cheaper these days. Lets not forget how long it took ADSL to be rolled out to regional areas under the coalition.. I was living less than 10 km from a major regional centre, and it wasn't rolled out until about 2007 We had to rely on a CDMA dongle and the CDMA signal was not crash hot either. Yes CDMA wireless was awfully expensive .. the constant drop outs and sheer cost affected our productivity. Furthermore, at that time, Telstra's billing of wireless data was abysmal .. you had to waste an hour each month to sort out the mess over the blower.
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