Wags69 Posted September 26, 2010 Posted September 26, 2010 So they hold an HD licence but don't use it anymore? Are HD content quotas gone?Andys. 7mate on ch73 is in HD, also simulcast on ch70 in my area which is Adelaide.
Steve C Posted September 26, 2010 Posted September 26, 2010 (edited) So bottom line is, what are we getting from 7 and do we know what content is it.7HD: Channel number: SD/HD 7Two: Channel number: SD/HD: 7mate: Channel number: SD/HD: Cheers BB From what I can see at this exact moment... 7HD: Gone!! 7 Digital - Ch70: SD 576i stereo (currently repeats of previous night program Guinness Book of records) 7 Digital 1 - Ch71: SD 576i stereo (programs as per 7 Digital above) 7 Two - Ch72: SD 5761 stereo - (Frank Sinatra movie...) 7 Mate: HD 1080i DD stereo - (movie "Major Payne") So much fiddling!! Yesterday 7HD - Ch70 (even though it was displaying 7Mate content) was there after a scan (6, 7, & 9PM just to be certain) Now it's gone - without a scan... Incompetent bozzos!! Wish I could play with something that'd annoy the crap out of them, just so they could get some idea of how it feels to be on the end of all their farting around!! Edited September 26, 2010 by Steve C
Wags69 Posted September 26, 2010 Posted September 26, 2010 Yep, mines changed now as well, ch70 and 71 are now the same!
andys Posted September 26, 2010 Posted September 26, 2010 It's starting to make sense now; 7 576i - 7SD 70 576i - duplicate of 7SD - could probably delete from channel list 72 576i - 7TWO 73 1080i - 7mate Andys.
DrP Posted September 26, 2010 Posted September 26, 2010 The reasoning behind all this is quite clear, to me at least. 70 during the simulcast used to show the main channel. 7 obviously wants people who are used to selecting 70 to see the main channel to still see the main channel when they select LCN 70.
luke_joel Posted September 26, 2010 Posted September 26, 2010 7mate is hideously over sharpened here in Adelaide. What are they trying to do copy ABC24? Hideously over-sharpened in Sydney too. Almost unwatchable! I suspect their up-converter or watermark device is to blame.
DrP Posted September 26, 2010 Posted September 26, 2010 So they hold an HD licence but don't use it anymore? How you came to that conclusion is beyond me. 7mate is an HD service and will contain a mix of upscaled and native HD content, in precisely the same way that the HD service carried a mix during the simulcast. Are HD content quotas gone? No.
betty boop Posted September 26, 2010 Author Posted September 26, 2010 It's starting to make sense now;7 576i - 7SD 70 576i - duplicate of 7SD - could probably delete from channel list 72 576i - 7TWO 73 1080i - 7mate Andys. about what am seeing in melb. the epg is likely still mucked up, its showing 70 as '7HD' when its SD if ch73 is going to do decent HD would certainly aprpeciate it, have no time for "fake hd" though. there is certainly no DD5.1 on 73mate though so the move from ch70 to 73 has lost that along the way which is very disappointing and hopefully they sort out.
sydney2218 Posted September 26, 2010 Posted September 26, 2010 about what am seeing in melb. the epg is likely still mucked up, its showing 70 as '7HD' when its SDif ch73 is going to do decent HD would certainly aprpeciate it, have no time for "fake hd" though. there is certainly no DD5.1 on 73mate though so the move from ch70 to 73 has lost that along the way which is very disappointing and hopefully they sort out. In Sydney 70 still exists ! What a mess, again. No proper education . 70 was supposed to bereplaced.
doyle63 Posted September 26, 2010 Posted September 26, 2010 In Sydney 70 still exists ! What a mess, again. No proper education . 70 was supposed to bereplaced. i think its a good idea to have all the 7s in a row as my tv wont allow me to move the the lcn's so i reckon gem should be 91 and 9 on 9 and 90 and go on 99
Steve C Posted September 26, 2010 Posted September 26, 2010 i think its a good idea to have all the 7s in a row as my tv wont allow me to move the the lcn's so i reckon gem should be 91 and 9 on 9 and 90 and go on 99 Logic in the sequence of channels won't have people selecting things they wouldn't normally watch though! How else are they going to get people to appear to be 'choosing' their new channel variations if not for artificially rearranging the channel numbers so folks will select these stations by mistake! By the time many people wake up to what's going on, it'll appear on ratings figures as though these new stations are real successes - thereby verifying the decisions of network executives to go ahead with what they'd planned all along. Besides; what better time to do whatever they want with broadcast services, than when the Government that might be able to give the license holders a slap over the wrist are in enough trouble of their own! Very clever timing...
sold Posted September 26, 2010 Posted September 26, 2010 Has 7mate broadcast any native HD yet? Currently getting a very soft looking Death at a Funeral in Adelaide (was in HD last time it was broadcast from memory).
betty boop Posted September 26, 2010 Author Posted September 26, 2010 Has 7mate broadcast any native HD yet? Currently getting a very soft looking Death at a Funeral in Adelaide (was in HD last time it was broadcast from memory). Not that am aware off, all have seen looks more like fake HD, ie upscaled sd. And given they're not even doing dd5.1 anymore more likely they're trying to say every little bit of bandwidth to try multichannel all that they're trying to put through within their allowance.
ckent Posted September 27, 2010 Posted September 27, 2010 Not that am aware off, all have seen looks more like fake HD, ie upscaled sd. And given they're not even doing dd5.1 anymore more likely they're trying to say every little bit of bandwidth to try multichannel all that they're trying to put through within their allowance. There's no more squeezing "every little bit" than there was a week ago, or ever since 7TWO started. Nothing has changed. What does concern me is whether 7mate can deliver any native HD. No evidence of that yet. The HD quota thankfully still applies, so this will need fixing sooner or later.
fredofrog Posted September 27, 2010 Posted September 27, 2010 -I rescanned the TV twice !! Still got 7HD showing 7mate logo bottom right and program was Anchorman rather than 'Wanted' as advertised. Delete the channels and rescan, the LCN names will then correctly update.
mjstokesy Posted September 27, 2010 Posted September 27, 2010 For me in Perth, I'm getting: 7 576i - 7SD 70 576i - 7SD 71 576i - 7SD 72 576i - 7TWO 73 1080i - 7mate I can understand channel 70 still being there at the moment but why keep 71? Anyone else in Perth still recieving 71?
drubie Posted September 27, 2010 Posted September 27, 2010 I'm just going to leave this here for reference: 7mate + Legend LHD3 set top box: no sounds. Required a full factory reset before it decoded the sound from that channel. Not sure why - probably some dynamic channel problem with this older set top box. Full factory reset is available off the main menu, requires a pin number to access it.
betty boop Posted September 27, 2010 Author Posted September 27, 2010 There's no more squeezing "every little bit" than there was a week ago, or ever since 7TWO started. Nothing has changed.What does concern me is whether 7mate can deliver any native HD. No evidence of that yet. The HD quota thankfully still applies, so this will need fixing sooner or later. Yes it has a lot has changed, I certainly am yet to see anything resembling real HD, and yeah they've dropped completely dd5.1 of any of their broadcasts. If all this isn't scrimping on the bit rate to squeeze every little drop to support multi channeling I don't know what is. This is from tonymyo1 in another thread, I'm certainly not imagining things ! Well FU 7.... Parks & Recreation, gorgeous 5.1 HD in previous seasons, so when 7Mate said they would have new eps, awesome, still get one of my fave comedies in great HD... nup, just started 5mins ago. upscaled crap. God I hate HD in this country. I was in Japan in April, and creamed myself at all the FTA HD they have, great pic quality on at least 15 channels.... not fair at all this country has gone to sht. Thanks govt/networks/etc... thanks a million.
DrP Posted September 27, 2010 Posted September 27, 2010 Scrimping? Has the audio stream bit rate fallen? As far as I can tell there has been no alteration to the bit rates of any of 7's services. Perhaps the foil hats are too tight and have cut off circulation.
ckent Posted September 28, 2010 Posted September 28, 2010 Yes it has a lot has changed, I certainly am yet to see anything resembling real HD, and yeah they've dropped completely dd5.1 of any of their broadcasts. If all this isn't scrimping on the bit rate to squeeze every little drop to support multi channeling I don't know what is. What DrP said. I don't have a way to check if the DD audio has changed, but on Seven's multiplex, there were 3 channels broadcast before this week, and there are 3 channels broadcast now this week. There's no need for any 'scrimping' or changing of the bitrates, and I haven't seen any evidence that there has been.
betty boop Posted September 28, 2010 Author Posted September 28, 2010 What DrP said.I don't have a way to check if the DD audio has changed, but on Seven's multiplex, there were 3 channels broadcast before this week, and there are 3 channels broadcast now this week. There's no need for any 'scrimping' or changing of the bitrates, and I haven't seen any evidence that there has been. You may not have anyway to check if DD audio, but am telling you we are no longer getting dd5.1 they have scaled back to dd2.0 It is what I have noticed and everyone else who has commented. How many posts apart from mine do you want to see on the topic ? If this isn't scrimping I don't know what is
wheelz Posted September 28, 2010 Posted September 28, 2010 Looking at "yourtv guide" the grand final replay this saturday will only be on 7 which i guess means it wont be in HD as 7mate are showing other programes.
DrP Posted September 28, 2010 Posted September 28, 2010 (edited) If this isn't scrimping I don't know what is If 7 and 9 have scrimped the audio bit rates to support the additional services (which when you think about it is plain nonsense in the first place as there aren't any more program streams than there were before), where did the bits that were scrimped go, and from where did they scrimp them since the service rates have not altered. That you now only receive 2.0 is not an indicator that any bits have been removed from the audio streams, it just means that a different format is being transmitted. Complain about that all you like, just complain about the right thing! Edited September 28, 2010 by DrP
Crowley Posted September 28, 2010 Posted September 28, 2010 i would agree The reasoning behind all this is quite clear, to me at least. 70 during the simulcast used to show the main channel. 7 obviously wants people who are used to selecting 70 to see the main channel to still see the main channel when they select LCN 70.
betty boop Posted September 28, 2010 Author Posted September 28, 2010 Looking at "yourtv guide" the grand final replay this saturday will only be on 7 which i guess means it wont be in HD as 7mate are showing other programes. That is very odd indeed, if not going to be on 7 mate, which is their hd channel, then no not going to be in hd, not that the supposed hd broadcast last time was much to write home about. And I guess bucklies and none for dd5.1 in that case too. Then again it's still school holidays, so still be the work experience kid pulling the levers as there was last weekend. In which case anythings possible lol
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