46" Full Hd Lcd Under $1k?

[Owen]

Get serious man, put up or shut up.

So far you have presented nothing to support your case, even though you suggested you would if requested. All you seem to be able to do is throw abuse at me, which is not only rude but against forum rules.

[DM Dave]

So is trolling.You are a serial offender.

Reread the thread.

You are very,very,very,predictable.

Edited December 17, 2010 by DM Dave

[Owen]

Again more insults but no substance. Are you going to present a case or not?

[DM Dave]

For the third,and last time--reread the thread thick head!

[Owen]

I have and don't see where you have substantiated your claims, even when asked to.

Seems you would rather play the man then the ball as all you can offer is insults.

Note I don't respond in kind because this is a public forum not a school yard.

Edited December 18, 2010 by Owen

[Guest]

http://www.electronics-related.com/usenet/...how/28027-2.php

Owen, if you care to read this thread, some other "experts" have had this same argument before... If you want to continue to argue/question please take it to that forum instead. It would seem more relevant there - and now there's a link in this thread, anyone who's interested can go there to see your success.

[Owen]

Good link it backs up what I have said nicely, thanks.

[Guest]

Good link it backs up what I have said nicely, thanks.

Funny, I thought I already said it was the same argument. It's clearly not finished though - so off you go and do so.

Edit:

"

Yes, there are crap electronics out there.

Cheap and dirty..

I've replaced a good many smps with better brands do element that

problem.

Being in the industrial field, i've repaired a good

many smps that took out the bipolar and power fets (depending on the

voltage at stake) just because of an electrical brown out that cause the

PS to stop outputting and over heat the transistors if the smps wasn't

repowered up in time to get the driving OSC started.

"

Edit: more bolding since Owen thinks it's not common...

Edited December 18, 2010 by Guest

[Owen]

Did you accentually read all the posts in that link? If you did are you still under the impression that “brown out” is the major cause of electronics failure?

Only poorly designed equipment is susceptible to brown out failure and the vast majority of electrics are not that poorly designed. If they where they would not last long at all where I live and work as brown outs are very common. Only yesterday we had a series of serious brown outs during a nasty storm, no damage as usual.

[Guest]

Still waiting for that explanation of how “brown outs” cause damage and on what basis you come to the conclusion that “brown outs” are the dominant cause of failure.

I have over 30 years servicing and maintaining a large range and quantity of electronics, most of which is vital and has to be kept operational 24/7 365 and I cant remember ANY failures due to brown out. The majority of failures are not even supply related.

Sure I read it all, and I read this quote too. Clearly your experience has let you down. Now, if you still have a problem with your 30 years of experience, take it to that thread. This is off topic here.

[Owen]

Why would I have a “problem” with my experience, it is what it is.

No brown out failures in 30 years that I can remember, yet many hundreds of failures due to other causes. I must be outstanding lucky or brown out is not the major cause of electronics failure.

Other causes of failure dominate by a factor of hundreds to one in my experience.

[Guest]

So DM Dave has "more" experience with SMPS dying due to brown outs than in other situations. You, Owen, who is known to buy expensive top end gear, doesn't.

Surprised? I'm not...

And the fact that you then questioned me about my beliefs ("are you still under the impression that “brown out” is the major cause of electronics failure?") when all I was doing was producing the evidence you requested - asked in such a way that you made out like it wasn't even possible, makes me think maybe DM Dave isn't so wrong for calling you names.

Play the ball indeed.

I'll reword my statement: "if you still have a problem, even with your 30 years of experience, take it to that thread."

Take that as a third request.

Edit: make that "a fourth"...

Edited December 18, 2010 by Guest

[kulfi]

I think it may be wiser to steer this conversation away from the root cause analysis of electronic equipment failures and bring it back on topic.

I've spotted 46" Toshiba and Sharp LCDs ticketed at $1200. It may be possible for the OP to pick up one of those for under the $1k mark on Boxing Day.

[ekkieTHUMP]

To go back to the original question i would say leave price out of it and just decide what is the best 46" lcd for you.Go in to the stores and play round with them all in as many different situations as you can and take in your own demo content to test.Don't worry about how many sales staff you drive crazy by this,through a process of elimination you will find the best tv feature set for you.Now you have found the right tv it's time to worry about how much you should pay for it and when it's the best time to make an offer.If you have to pay higher than $1k but end up with the tv your happiest with it will be money well spent.I myself have been looking for a mid sized lcd as a second tv and found the one i want.It is now just a matter of waiting for the price to drop on it and i figure by say next march i'll be able to crunch a retailer for $800 less than there asking now.

[MLXXX]

I think it may be wiser to steer this conversation away from the root cause analysis of electronic equipment failures and bring it back on topic.

Yes, given the extreme rudeness of one participant, that does seem the wiser course.

It is now just a matter of waiting for the price to drop on it and i figure by say next march i'll be able to crunch a retailer for $800 less than there asking now.

I think a lot of people are hoping for some real bargains in the post Christmas sales. Some of us could get lucky.

Edited December 18, 2010 by MLXXX

[Dr. Zachary Smith]

Phew...a bit of anger seeping in here, folks! Personally I have never known any electronics to be destroyed by brown-out save for the odd faulty incandescent globe. Most modern electronics can handle this situation, given that they come out of (and are designed in) places like China where brown-outs happen more often than here.

But back to the OP:

I saw a "SOYO" 55 inch 120Hz LCD tv yesterday for $1300. Yep...$1300!

Picture looked good...panel bezel was chunky but all for the better as the built-in speakers were a lot better than these "super thin" jobs have these days. 12 month replacement warranty which, I believe, is extendible.

The shop is here:

http://www.sparechange.net.au/index.aspx (I went to the Dandenong, Victoria branch)

[ekkieTHUMP]

Yes, given the extreme rudeness of one participant, that does seem the wiser course.

I think a lot of people are hoping for some real bargains in the post Christmas sales. Some of us could get lucky.

It mostly comes down to how long ago the tv was released and how many are left on the shelf.I saw the Pana TH-P54Z1A ticketed for under $2k today at JB and that was $6k retail less than 12 months ago.

[DM Dave]

Good to see we are back on topic.

kulfi agrees with the Toshiba,which is a good sign.Quite possibly has a 2 year warranty.

I've not seen either the Sharp or the Toshiba,however from (long gone) past experience Toshiba make excellent TVs.Salespeople recommending Sharp used to be after the bigger profit margin.Doubt things have changed that

much.

Don't be fooled by "advertised and ticketed" eg "red spot" specials.In most cases,believe it or not,they are there for the salespersons benefit- an easy reminder to them where their best margins are found.

Edited December 18, 2010 by DM Dave

[JSmith]

Don't be fooled by "advertised and ticketed" eg "red spot" specials.In most cases,believe it or not,they are there for the salespersons benefit- an easy reminder to them where their best margins are found.

Well this can also work in the consumers favour also as there is more room within the margin to make a better deal than the ticketed price and the salesperson has more room to move on price.

JSmith

Edited December 19, 2010 by jsmith

[kulfi]

Supermarkets often have Red Spot specials heavily advertised in the media and are given pride of place on displays. I doubt if any of them are more expensive than what's in the aisles (and that includes their house brands). They're ways of pulling in customers. If some of the customers buy only the specials and leave the store, so be it.

If the store also earns better margins or commissions on the "Sale" items, good luck to them. It's a win-win situation for the shop and the consumer.

[Roderick]

It's always worth looking for blown capacitors, as they are often easy to spot (too fat!) and easily replaced. Common cause of TV failures in the heat and low humidity conditions prevailing in this country.

Just be careful of undischarged capacitors, they can give you quite a jolt!

Rod

[DM Dave]

Well this can also work in the consumers favour also as there is more room within the margin to make a better deal than the ticketed price and the salesperson has more room to move on price.

JSmith

I was rather hoping that people would see that was part of the inference.

Probably worthwhile quoting in full and reading in context of what is going on.

A class of 7th graders would most likely understand what I was putting forth.I can assure you that years 9 and 10 where I taught certainly would.

Yep!A brown goods shop would be ecstatic if people exclusively bought their "red spot" specials.Supermarkets are a slightly different market segment.

Both are out to get every possible cent out of you in the most "sophisticated" manner.

[DM Dave]

Re OP.

Both those Toshiba's are run out/clearance models.Not overly impressed with specs.My apology.Would not entirely "discount" however.

The Samsung LA46C550, another clearance model,could be worth seeking out.(Big W were flogging them for $1,288-you will do better).

All in all,much of a muchness.

Bit of arm twisting needed,price wise.

Edited December 19, 2010 by DM Dave

[JSmith]

I was rather hoping that people would see that was part of the inference.

Probably worthwhile quoting in full and reading in context of what is going on.

A class of 7th graders would most likely understand what I was putting forth.I can assure you that years 9 and 10 where I taught certainly would.

Yep!A brown goods shop would be ecstatic if people exclusively bought their "red spot" specials.Supermarkets are a slightly different market segment.

Both are out to get every possible cent out of you in the most "sophisticated" manner.

I read the whole thing...

Something up your nose champ, what's with the rudeness?

I don't come here to have a drama with anyone rather to have informative and vibrant discussions regarding DTV and HT in general. Do you have me confused with someone else?

So take it easy and have a great day.

JSmith

[Guest]

To be fair, I think he was saying - thanks, it was worth saying that in full (which he didn't) but he figured it wasn't needed because...

Edited December 20, 2010 by Guest