The Nas Owners Thread - A Place For All Things Nas Related

[rotur]

Thank you...i have now and it is flashing constant green suggesting drive needs to be formatted. Still unable to see the qnap in qfinder... How do I format it to be read by qnap?

[kukynas]

how do you have it connected? directly to your PC or to your network via router?

[rotur]

15 minutes ago, kukynas said:

how do you have it connected? directly to your PC or to your network via router?

Neither... It's connected to a network bridge... So for formatting, I should hook it up too my MacBook Pro?

[kukynas]

it seems your Qnap discovery agent is unable to see it on your network (not sure why) so easiest way is to connect it to your PC directly via lan cable...do you have your Mac connected to the same network?

[rotur]

Yes I dio...

[rotur]

Now initialising/formatting...thanks for your help. Will be good to go now

 

[kukynas]

[paulrp]

Hi all,
I would like to discuss using a powerful enough Qnap to run Roon on.

Hear are some points to start off with...

A Roon Nukleous will cost $2,000 in the basic i3 version and $3,600 in the more advanced and more powerful version i5 Version.

A Nukleous frees up your PC

Of course you could use a Nuk, but I feel that is a solution for the computer savvy and it doesn't store much.

Now we could just stream our music and not use storage.

However I would like to have bulk storage for my movies and high res music files on a NAS.

If we use a 2 bay or 4 bay there is quite a lot of redundancy, so I would think a 8 or 12 bay and I am told that a 3 tb drive is affordable nowadays.
Such a devise will cost anywhere from $2,000 to $6,000

So if one is going to spend so much setting up a NAS, let us factor in the cost of a Nukleous and combine the two.

Roon takes a lot of processing power to do its thing and potentially we would slow up the NAS, so where as a Roon Nukleous i3 only has to do Roon duties, using a Qnap to do both might involve an i5 or i7 ?

The Qnap Tvs i5 or i7, 8 or 12 bay, full of 3 tb drives is what I am looking for.

Apparently the best way to make it work is to put in a dedicated small SSD to run the Roon Nukleous program on the Qnap Nas.

The Tv part of these Qnaps gives 2 version 1.4 hdmi and 1 hdmi version 2 out puts and I believe this makes this devise a media player ?

Question

Would it be necessary to go to the expense of using a tvs Qnap or go for something more basic ?

Go for an i5 or the i7 ? And why ?

Can someone suggest a suitable model to accomplish all of the above and where might I get one built?

[paulrp]

 

 

 

 

 

[rand129678]

1 minute ago, paulrp said:

Of course you could use a Nuk, but I feel that is a solution for the computer savvy and it doesn't store much.

Hi. You could use both a NUC for Roon + NAS for storage.

 

You can point Roon to your NAS over the network, for music storage.

 

An i7 NUC + ROCK running RoonOS. And get a much cheaper NAS for storage.

 

This way you can get an 8th Gen i7 for Roon and a much cheaper NAS that doesn't need to be powerful for music storage.

 

https://www.mwave.com.au/product/intel-nuc7i7dnh4e-nuc-barebone-kit-core-i78650u-8th-gen-vpro-support-ac14743

 

Just a little DIY is required but there's plenty of support on the Roon forum.

 

[paulrp]

Hi. You could use both a NUC for Roon + NAS for storage.
 
You can point Roon to your NAS over the network, for music storage.
 
An i7 NUC + ROCK running RoonOS. And get a much cheaper NAS for storage.
 
This way you can get an 8th Gen i7 for Roon and a much cheaper NAS that doesn't need to be powerful for music storage.
 
https://www.mwave.com.au/product/intel-nuc7i7dnh4e-nuc-barebone-kit-core-i78650u-8th-gen-vpro-support-ac14743
 
Just a little DIY is required but there's plenty of support on the Roon forum.
 

Would I simply just use a Roon Nukleous and then a more basic Qnap 8 or 12 bay i3 ?
Would you bother with the tvs part or just a ts

[rand129678]

12 minutes ago, paulrp said:

Would I simply just use a Roon Nukleous and then a more basic Qnap 8 or 12 bay i3 ?
Would you bother with the tvs part or just a ts

 

If the NAS is for music storage only, nothing powerful is needed for the NAS. I use a Synology DS918+. It's doing nothing other than storing files for me. I don't know enough about Qnaps unfortunately.

 

Some people use their NAS for other CPU intensive things though which may need an i3 or i5 CPU.

 

If you're not comfortable with the DIY NUC method (ROCK), then Nucleus is the easier option.

 

While you might only need the i3 Nucleus today, you might need to think if it's worth playing it safe and getting the i7 Nucleus Plus.. in case your library grows substantially over time or you dabble with CPU intensive DSP later or maybe Roon itself becomes more CPU intensive over time. But as you know Nucleus Plus is quite expensive.

Edited August 21, 2018 by Music2496

[paulrp]

Further talks with computer mates suggest a i7 nuk with a ssd over 60 gig and 8 gig ram $1,100
and a 8 or 12 bay qnap tvs882 or similar with 3 tb western digital red 3.5 drives.

[kukynas]

@paulrp what for 8 to 12 bay NAS? unless you plan to store huge amount of TB of data like in data centers 4 bay should be enough especially if you consider you can buy 10TB drives these days, saved money could be spend on better audio gear 

I wouldn't use NAS for TV duties as you are limiting yourself with onboard chipset and its capabilities (in terms of TV processing), any decent TV or even dedicated media player has more capabilities and easy of use than NAS

[paulrp]

Currently have netgear rnd4100 4 bay 8tb nas which constantly runs out of room,  nothing like trippling that to not run out of storage.

Would have to look at pricing, are 10 tb drives expensive compared to the affordable 3tb drives at $130 ?

Agree with comments on media player.

So I might scrap the tv aspect, unless I use the hdmi out to do media play back duties in the location where I house the Nas, I have a down stairs theatre set up

 near by.

 Already have an oppo205 for media player in main theatre set up

Zippidy media players are good I am told  and they can play 4k files off a nas and where as an oppo cann't and Under $500

I would like at least an 8 bay Qnap, any suggestions on model ???

[kukynas]

I paid $470 for WD Red in my country, not sure about cost in Au, if you count how many disk drive you would need to replace one 10TB including cost of electricity per year for those drives it would be most probably the same except you wouldn't need 8-12 bay NAS which cost significantly more than 4 bay, I'm running 3x10TB with redundancy means 20TB available space and still 1 bay free for additional 10TB so total capacity of 30TB which is plenty for next couple of years

there are already 12TB available and 14TB drives in the pipeline so no need for more than 4 bay in the near future, I can't imagine who would need more than 4 bay with up to 40TB of space for home usage but you might have different needs

simple math, 4K movie in H265 codec eats up about 20-30GB of space on your HDD, you can count how many you would need to fill up the space, choice is of course up to you, I have no experience with Qnap (Synology user for years) so can't recommend any...

[kukynas]

btw, 2 more things, just to be clear those TB ratings are disk ratings, real volume available is of course smaller e.g. 10TB = 9.1TB of available space, secondly you can always add expansion unit to your Pro/Plus type NAS if you feel you may run out of space once your 4 bay NAS will be full e.g. 4 bay NAS can get extra 5 bay of expansion unit for cost less than 8 bay NAS e.g. I can add DX517 unit to my DS918+ NAS and it'll be cheaper than buying 8 bay DS1817+

Same should be applicable for Qnap, not sure about types and pricing but I would assume they will be in similar price bracket...

[paulrp]

btw, 2 more things, just to be clear those TB ratings are disk ratings, real volume available is of course smaller e.g. 10TB = 9.1TB of available space, secondly you can always add expansion unit to your Pro/Plus type NAS if you feel you may run out of space once your 4 bay NAS will be full e.g. 4 bay NAS can get extra 5 bay of expansion unit for cost less than 8 bay NAS e.g. I can add DX517 unit to my DS918+ NAS and it'll be cheaper than buying 8 bay DS1817+
Same should be applicable for Qnap, not sure about types and pricing but I would assume they will be in similar price bracket...

Great advise kukynas.
I had been told about expansion units in daisy chain but I hadn't thought of 4 bay drives with bigger driver and then simply adding a slave expansion unit.
Thanks, I will look into that.

[Demondes]

Just some random thoughts on the recent posts here

 

 

I also have been a long term Synology fan. I would not buy more than a 4-5 drive model firstly cause $$$, secondly it gets hotter and often requires better HDD,  thirdly as stated new storage keeps growing as fast as your potential collection 10tb hdd etc, and finally you are better off having 2 separate smaller devices syncing data or backing up the other against failures.

 

as stated many times in these forums and elsewhere, RAiD, redundancy, and an extra disk in a one box solution won’t cover all music/video loss scenarios.

 

of course with Synology and other brands such as QNAP, you can plug simple external drives to take backups.

 

previously I did have the expansion unit for an older Synology 1010 unit which allowed me to make a big volume,  but always had a minimum of 1-2 copies elsewhere.

 

the new Btrfs file system on Synology is great against accidental deletions.

 

 

[Guest rmpfyf]

1 hour ago, Demondes said:

Just some random thoughts on the recent posts here

 

 

I also have been a long term Synology fan. I would not buy more than a 4-5 drive model firstly cause $$$, secondly it gets hotter and often requires better HDD,  thirdly as stated new storage keeps growing as fast as your potential collection 10tb hdd etc, and finally you are better off having 2 separate smaller devices syncing data or backing up the other against failures.

 

as stated many times in these forums and elsewhere, RAiD, redundancy, and an extra disk in a one box solution won’t cover all music/video loss scenarios.

 

of course with Synology and other brands such as QNAP, you can plug simple external drives to take backups.

 

previously I did have the expansion unit for an older Synology 1010 unit which allowed me to make a big volume,  but always had a minimum of 1-2 copies elsewhere.

 

the new Btrfs file system on Synology is great against accidental deletions.

 

 

 

Zero heat difference between my five and eight bay units.

[kiwimeat]

On 10/10/2013 at 12:13 AM, kiwimeat said:

Ordered my DS2413+ today along with 6 x Seagate ST4000VN000 4TB NAS HD. Will be configuring as a RAID 6 array,

Replaces a DS1511+ with 5 x 2TB Seagate HD's which has served me very well.

A bit of an update - six and a bit years later the DS2413+ is still going strong.

Only upgrade has been to add an additonal 2GB of memory (total 4GB) and the occasional clean to remove dust.
The 4TB Seagate drives (I ended up with a total of 8) have very recently been replaced with 7 x 8TB Seagate Ironwolf drives. Now running SHR2 mode.
I did consider swapping out the NAS hardware for something like the 1819+ but didn't see the benefit for what I use my NAS for. 

[mvqq]

I'm thinking about purchasing my first NAS. Which models do you recommend me ?  QNAP is great to start with?

[pwstereo]

@mvqq

QNAP is a well regarded brand, so is Synology. Look for what gives you best value in your price range and capacity requirements.

Edited May 5, 2020 by pwstereo

[Guest rmpfyf]

On 05/05/2020 at 12:32 AM, mvqq said:

I'm thinking about purchasing my first NAS. Which models do you recommend me ?  QNAP is great to start with?

Depends what you want to do with it and your budget - let us know

[BPR323]

Has anyone got the new QNAP TS-453D-8G with 4K HDMI 2.0 output?  When I checked online retailers, this model has been sold out :)

I'm thinking about putting Kodi and ReadyMedia (Minidlna onto it ... any caveats or suggestions?