powerav Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) What is the cheapest DSD 5.1 player out there, I have found the Sony BDP-S6700 at $179, if i am right it does play DSD in 5.1? Any other options, I only have 15 or so SACD titles so not worth spending a bomb. Actually some sites say it does play SACD and some say it doesn't, confused. Edited October 7, 2017 by powerav
Happy Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 Make sure the machine you get DA the DSD signal, rather than DSD converted to PCM signal. Most cheaper players do the latter.
powerav Posted October 7, 2017 Author Posted October 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Happy said: Make sure the machine you get DA the DSD signal, rather than DSD converted to PCM signal. Most cheaper players do the latter. Yeah that's the hardest thing to find out, looks like the Sony BDP-S6700 can but would be good if someone can confirm. Looks like the Sony BDP-S3700 can as well but not available in Aus.
Addicted to music Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 1 minute ago, powerav said: Yeah that's the hardest thing to find out, looks like the Sony BDP-S6700 can but would be good if someone can confirm. Looks like the Sony BDP-S3700 can as well but not available in Aus. Go jb or HN to get a demo, stick a sacd with sacd layer only in it. If your disc are all dual layer forget it, this test won't work.
Happy Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 11 minutes ago, Addicted to music said: Go jb or HN to get a demo, stick a sacd with sacd layer only in it. If your disc are all dual layer forget it, this test won't work. I thought it converts DSD anyway?
powerav Posted October 7, 2017 Author Posted October 7, 2017 29 minutes ago, Addicted to music said: Go jb or HN to get a demo, stick a sacd with sacd layer only in it. If your disc are all dual layer forget it, this test won't work Could you imagine asking a HN salesman to test to see if a player plays DSD and then asking then to change a setting to turn DSD on. I got kicked out if a store years ago because I just asked if they had a certain DVD player model in stock because it plays DVD Audio, he told me all DVD players play audio so i then had to explain the whole DVD audio concept and I got thrown out as he thought i was a smart arse. 2 2
Happy Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, powerav said: Could you imagine asking a HN salesman to test to see if a player plays DSD and then asking then to change a setting to turn DSD on. I got kicked out if a store years ago because I just asked if they had a certain DVD player model in stock because it plays DVD Audio, he told me all DVD players play audio so i then had to explain the whole DVD audio concept and I got thrown out as he thought i was a smart arse. I was in an actual audio store and had to show them how to connect to bi wire speakers once. 1
Addicted to music Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 8 minutes ago, powerav said: Could you imagine asking a HN salesman to test to see if a player plays DSD and then asking then to change a setting to turn DSD on. I got kicked out if a store years ago because I just asked if they had a certain DVD player model in stock because it plays DVD Audio, he told me all DVD players play audio so i then had to explain the whole DVD audio concept and I got thrown out as he thought i was a smart arse. Phone them up and see if they have one driving a panel, so they don't have to open a seal box. Jb HIFi has them sitting on the self, all you gotta do is bring the disc and asked them to connect to a panel. Slot the disc in an WALLA! Question answered. Off memory and I could be wrong; the Sony s370 did SACD and output DSD via RCA. the next was a s380 output that via HDMI. The reason why I pointed this out was because when I was purchasing some specified it only played the CD layer on a dual SACD.
Addicted to music Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, Happy said: I was in an actual audio store and had to show them how to connect to bi wire speakers once. I like to see the expression on there face.... Especially when they go WTF.... i was actually in a JB store yesterday, all she knew how to do was drive that device they have in there hand telling them stock availability and what price she's allowed to release...! Lovely young late teens 20 something.....that's why I go!
powerav Posted October 8, 2017 Author Posted October 8, 2017 Here we go, looks like it's all good. 1 1
Addicted to music Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 I'd get the model with UHD so you don't need to upgrade when you upgrade your panel.
michaelw Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 ubp-x800 sounds decent, only 2 ch analogue out. if you don't need 4k uhd playback, look for a used oppo 105 or cambridge audo 752bd. don't get hooked up on dsd to pcm conversion, it's most likely already been done at some stage of the sacd's production.
powerav Posted October 8, 2017 Author Posted October 8, 2017 1 minute ago, michaelw said: don't get hooked up on dsd to pcm conversion, it's most likely already been done at some stage of the sacd's production. I have Kodi at the moment and it plays Dsf/DFF but converts to multichannel PCM, it sounds great but just wondering what difference pure DSD would be hence just wanting a cheap option to try.
JukKluk2 Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 Could you imagine asking a HN salesman to test to see if a player plays DSD and then asking then to change a setting to turn DSD on. I got kicked out if a store years ago because I just asked if they had a certain DVD player model in stock because it plays DVD Audio, he told me all DVD players play audio so i then had to explain the whole DVD audio concept and I got thrown out as he thought i was a smart arse. I once had to explain to a salesperson in Hardly Normal what a DAC is. Gave up after 30 seconds when I saw her eyes glazing over and incomprehension becoming writ large on her face. Might have been I'm a poor explainer?Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Guest Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 35 minutes ago, JukKluk2 said: I once had to explain to a salesperson in Hardly Normal what a DAC is. Gave up after 30 seconds when I saw her eyes glazing over and incomprehension becoming writ large on her face. Might have been I'm a poor explainer? Going into HN to get anything audiophile? Why???
JukKluk2 Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said: Going into HN to get anything audiophile? Why??? I was after a TV and was wanting to ensure the model I was interested in had a digital output . She asked why, so I explained that I wanted to run the output through my digital to analogue converter. That was when she asked me, "Why would you want to convert it from digital to analogue?" indeed. 2
Batty Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I was in JB a few years ago and asked where the SACDs were, the young lady didn't think they had any south australian CDs in stock. 5 2
Guest Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 15 minutes ago, Batty said: I was in JB a few years ago and asked where the SACDs were, the young lady didn't think they had any south australian CDs in stock. A few years ago, JB did carry a number of SACDs, but they are all but extinct now...
Misternavi Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 1 hour ago, JukKluk2 said: I once had to explain to a salesperson in Hardly Normal what a DAC is. Gave up after 30 seconds when I saw her eyes glazing over and incomprehension becoming writ large on her face. Might have been I'm a poor explainer? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk my wife has the expression when i try and explain that to her as well.
cwt Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 On 8/10/2017 at 11:21 AM, michaelw said: don't get hooked up on dsd to pcm conversion, it's most likely already been done at some stage of the sacd's production. This . I see you've jumped back to onkyo from Anthem powerav ; just mention that it depends on your dac if you will be able to send a dsd bitstream from your player and not hear white noise . Heres a couple of TI Burr brown dacs that are identical but one can take a pure bitstream the other cant without this .. Quote DSD Format Interface Available http://www.ti.com/product/dsd1796?keyMatch=dsd1796&tisearch=Search-EN-Everything http://www.ti.com/product/PCM1796
powerav Posted October 9, 2017 Author Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, cwt said: I see you've jumped back to onkyo Integra The dac does do DSD as there is an option in the menu to turn it on. Edited October 9, 2017 by powerav
cwt Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 10 hours ago, powerav said: Integra The dac does do DSD as there is an option in the menu to turn it on. Having owned a dtr 10.5 and looking at the equivalent onkyo I wont touch that with a broom mate This could happen ; https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/integra-vs-onkyo-whats-the-difference.50510/ Yes there are a lot of components that take " pure dsd'' [good marketing imho ] was more trying to show how it all goes through the same circuitry and that means pcm conversion as that is required for any bass management ; room eq ;dsp applied etc .. A true dsd decoder is very complicated and not cheap as it has to decimate the 1 bit signal to a different multibit format; something like a sony 5400es . Interesting how you will find it as theoretically it should have less jitter than pcm as its compressed into packets to send
powerav Posted October 10, 2017 Author Posted October 10, 2017 26 minutes ago, cwt said: Having owned a dtr 10.5 and looking at the equivalent onkyo I wont touch that with a broom mate What! that is more than a 10 year old product, I wouldn't touch it either. Yes everyone knows about the HDMI board issue but gee whiz that was along time ago. Doesn't bother me while the fanboi's stay away from them I'll get a $4000 AVR for $1400 with 12 month warranty, if it stuffs up after that I'll get another one.
MLXXX Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 On 10/8/2017 at 10:21 AM, michaelw said: don't get hooked up on dsd to pcm conversion, it's most likely already been done at some stage of the sacd's production. Yes, it's not unusual for the audio of the performance to have been captured as PCM (perhaps 96kHz 24 bit) and then converted to DSD for the SACD. One reason SACD did not take off as a format is that it is impossible or next to impossible to distinguish SACD stereo from CD stereo at usual recording and playback levels. There was no tangible benefit from the format, for stereo material. (The fact that SACDs could also provide surround sound, unlike normal CDs, for some reason did not capture the public's imagination.)
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