cwt Posted January 24, 2023 Posted January 24, 2023 On 23/01/2023 at 9:39 PM, bbar said: No right remote. I checked number against 8802a not 8805 and assumed he gave me his AV10 remote. My bad. Expand Or was it the universe saying buy a AV10 to match ? Spooky
betty boop Posted January 24, 2023 Posted January 24, 2023 On 23/01/2023 at 3:34 PM, bbar said: he gave me the AV10 remote by mistake. The numbers on the remote are different even though they look identical…lol time to give him a cal. Expand gosh.. i dont think that is right though AV10 remote is VERY different to av8805...definiely dont look identical... On 23/01/2023 at 4:02 PM, bbar said: Well, fixed problem. Appears he set the remote to manage the devices connected to some of the input sources preventing the AVR from responding when those sources are selected. Reset the preset codes on each of those sources and voila——all working normally. Expand AV8805... marantz AV10 On 23/01/2023 at 4:02 PM, bbar said: Well, fixed problem. Appears he set the remote to manage the devices connected to some of the input sources preventing the AVR from responding when those sources are selected. Reset the preset codes on each of those sources and voila——all working normally. Expand that makes sense
bbar Posted January 24, 2023 Posted January 24, 2023 On 24/01/2023 at 8:26 AM, betty boop said: gosh.. i dont think that is right though AV10 remote is VERY different to av8805...definiely dont look identical... AV8805... marantz AV10 that makes sense Expand You are right. I do have the av8805 remote. I was comparing to the av8802 remote not the av10. 1
betty boop Posted January 24, 2023 Posted January 24, 2023 On 24/01/2023 at 8:29 AM, bbar said: You are right. I do have the av8805 remote. I was comparing to the av8802 remote not the av10. Expand probably need to run an antique harmony univeral remote like i do.. it doesnt know one marantz unit to another and seems to just work regardless 1
whitesox Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) Hi, Is 8805 having FW update? What version? No idea what is contained in the update. Anyone done it yet? Any issues/noticeable improvements? Edited March 21, 2023 by whitesox
bbar Posted May 26, 2023 Posted May 26, 2023 Well, ordered 8805a upgrade in January. Finally arrived last week. Now in shop being upgraded. Hopefully back next week. 2
bbar Posted June 22, 2023 Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) Ok, AV8805a back and running. Decided to update speakers by putting 2 more atmos speakers. Had 4 in-ceiling and moved seating such that the front in-ceilings are almost overhead and are now middle in-ceiling speakers and put a pair of focals as front highs giving me 6 atmos speakers. So 8805a differentiates between highs and in-ceiling. There are multiple speaker configuration options under amp assign but if you select Front highs then it forces rear highs. Unfortunately i have rear in-ceilings. Does anyone think it will really make a difference if 8805 has them as rear highs when they are rear in-ceilings. I must admit cant see why they differentiate at all. Hoping it is just for simplicity and has no real impact on the speaker output. I could set the front highs to in-ceiling then all 6 would be labeled as in-ceiling. Wonder if Av10 has similar coding? Any thoughts? Edited June 22, 2023 by bbar
betty boop Posted June 24, 2023 Posted June 24, 2023 On 22/06/2023 at 11:12 PM, bbar said: So 8805a differentiates between highs and in-ceiling. There are multiple speaker configuration options under amp assign but if you select Front highs then it forces rear highs. Unfortunately i have rear in-ceilings. Does anyone think it will really make a difference if 8805 has them as rear highs when they are rear in-ceilings. I must admit cant see why they differentiate at all. Hoping it is just for simplicity and has no real impact on the speaker output. I could set the front highs to in-ceiling then all 6 would be labeled as in-ceiling. Wonder if Av10 has similar coding? Expand hi bbar... it comes back to telling it the configuration of speakers you have at the start ? theres a few different ways can setup and configure your speakers if set to have rears, and 6 heights instead it will just map as 6 heights and what have going to rears will map between rear heights and sides... if physically in ceiling and height locations id leave them as such as heights because thats what they are ...
bbar Posted June 24, 2023 Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) Thanks Al. Will check speaker assignments again but when I tried to assign them it would not let me assign the six atmos height speakers in the way I have them configured. I set up a standard 13.1 configuration which has 7 channel bed layer with surround rears and 6 atmos height speakers. It then asks to specify the heights. If I specify the front atmos as front heights I.e. on wall then it asks to specify the middles. I specified as in-ceiling as my middle heights are in-ceiling. but the line below to specify the rear heights is greyed out and is set to rear highs i.e on wall heights so cannot specify in-ceilings which is what my configuration is for rear heights. basically if you use front on wall heights instead of in-ceiling front heights then you must specify rear on wall heights and not rear in-ceiling heights. agree probably best to just leave rear in-ceiling atmos speakers defined as rear heights cause that’s what they are anyway. Any idea why they make the distinction as to whether the heights are in-ceiling or on wall. Makes no sense to me as it is just position of the heights unless atmos processes on wall heights differently than in-ceiling heights. so Dolby 7.1.6 has two different specifications . One titled 7.1.6 Mounted / overhead speaker setup and the other is 7.1.6 overhead speaker setup. the first specifies front and rear heights to be on wall an middle to be in-ceiling. The second specifies all 6 to be in-ceiling. I have neither. I have front on wall heights and middle and rear overheads as in-ceiling. Marantz won’t allow this specification. Only the two specified by Dolby. Though it will allow on wall middle heights instead of middle in- ceiling as specified by Dolby. anyway, will research more to see which marantz config I should use for my implementation. edit******** there is a view on avsforum that inceilings give better results. And as my front heights are at ceiling level and pointed down I could set them as in-ceiling as they are at a supported in-ceiling Dolby recommended angle to mlp. So will set all to in-ceiling. supposedly on wall heights are processed to create phantom signals to project sound where an in-ceiling speaker would be. Edited June 24, 2023 by bbar
betty boop Posted June 24, 2023 Posted June 24, 2023 On 24/06/2023 at 2:38 AM, bbar said: I set up a standard 13.1 configuration which has 7 channel bed layer with surround rears and 6 atmos height speakers. It then asks to specify the heights. If I specify the front atmos as front heights I.e. on wall then it asks to specify the middles. I specified as in-ceiling as my middle heights are in-ceiling. but the line below to specify the rear heights is greyed out and is set to rear highs i.e on wall heights so cannot specify in-ceilings which is what my configuration is for rear heights. Expand thats probably why, the usual config is either front and rear and middles or all inceiling for front rear and middles... as a headsup if were going ch and Ts for 5th and 6th height you go front and rear heights ...rather than inceiling.. if check dolby guidlines there is a fair overlap in angles on these .. so i wouldn't really worry On 24/06/2023 at 2:38 AM, bbar said: dit******** there is a view on avsforum that inceilings give better results. And as my front heights are at ceiling level and pointed down I could set them as in-ceiling as they are at a supported in-ceiling Dolby recommended angle to mlp. So will set all to in-ceiling. Expand in ceilings in sonics I think give a better result I think as they are actually above you and (eg in my case a step forward and step behind) you really get the feeling of height above you... if your speakers are at an angle within dolby in ceilings and and yeah with the fair overlap in the guidelines , then yeah i would go for it
cwt Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) Agree ; dolby had to take into account peoples existing speaker setups ie non discrete pl2z height speakers and the dts neo equivalent . the dolby mix is really meant to emphasise height effects ; section 3 of the following is where the ''standard" placements go.. ; this below is section 4 additional. Quote Left front height/right front height speaker pair The left front height and right front height speakers should be mounted on the front wall (instead of on the ceiling) in line with an approximately 30 degrees horizontal from the center-front reference. This places the left front height and right front height speakers directly above the left and right speakers. If the left front height and right front height speakers must be mounted on the ceiling, they should be placed no more than one-eighth the distance to the middle of the room, approximately 45 degrees vertical from the centerfront reference. This guidance represents a slight change from the original Dolby Pro Logic IIz documentation, which mandated that front height speakers not be placed inside the left and right main speakers (for example, closer to the center speaker). The left front height and right front height speakers are typically included in Dolby Pro Logic IIz products. Expand atmos-installation-guidelines-121318_r3.1.pdf (dolby.com) found this on pg 57 Bryan Edited June 25, 2023 by cwt 1
bbar Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 Thanks guys. This really helps. Should have read guide before putting up the front heights. Did not think processing would be different for heights versus in-ceilings . But as you point out on wall heights we’re there for the pl2z processing before atmos. As Al states given my front height speaker is mounted up at ceiling level and at 30 degrees from mlp it sits within, albeit just, the recommended angle for front in-ceiling. The other two in-ceiling pairs sit at 75 and 135 degrees of mlp which is also within recommendations for middle anr rear in-ceilings. 2
AMCNAD Posted July 5, 2024 Posted July 5, 2024 (edited) I recently upgraded from a AV7701 to the AV8805A and have added a brand new HD2 7 channel with upgraded caps to drive the main 7 with the old HD2 7 to drive the Atmos once I install them. Love the 8805 but was very surprised no built in FM tuner. Yes I realise you can stream most radio channels but not all. Edited July 6, 2024 by AMCNAD 2
betty boop Posted July 6, 2024 Posted July 6, 2024 On 05/07/2024 at 11:38 PM, AMCNAD said: I recently upgraded from a AV7701 to the AV8805A and have added a brand new HD2 7 channel with upgraded caps to drive the main 7 with the old HD2 to drive the Atmos once I install them. Love the 8805 but was very surprised no built in FM tuner. Yes I realise you can stream most radio channels but all. Expand Congrats ! Yep 8 series would be nice upgrade from 7 series and hd2 taking things further … do try the hd2 for mains too it’s an awesome amp yeah no tuners anymore if on the net we have streaming digital radio now via tunein radio …can’t remember if can access via 8805 … I use a blue sound node so was using that while had 8805 1
AMCNAD Posted July 6, 2024 Posted July 6, 2024 On 06/07/2024 at 12:11 AM, betty boop said: Congrats ! Yep 8 series would be nice upgrade from 7 series and hd2 taking things further … do try the hd2 for mains too it’s an awesome amp yeah no tuners anymore if on the net we have streaming digital radio now via tunein radio …can’t remember if can access via 8805 … I use a blue sound node so was using that while had 8805 Expand That’s what I meant I added a brand new one with the caps from the reference to drive all the mains and the old one will take atmos duties 1
betty boop Posted July 6, 2024 Posted July 6, 2024 On 06/07/2024 at 12:21 AM, AMCNAD said: That’s what I meant I added a brand new one with the caps from the reference to drive all the mains and the old one will take atmos duties Expand Oh that sounds awesome 1
AMCNAD Posted July 6, 2024 Posted July 6, 2024 On 06/07/2024 at 8:46 AM, betty boop said: Oh that sounds awesome Expand Apparently Arthur couldn’t get the normal caps he uses in the HD2 so they asked me to pay an extra $500 for the caps of the reference 2ch amp. 1
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