cwt Posted April 1, 2018 Posted April 1, 2018 29 minutes ago, al said: good to see. though gee 999 GBP ? that puts it same price point as oppo 205 but without the universal disc play capability of the 205 ? also looks like the pana needs a fan ? which is a pity. either ways good to see some competition for oppo ... That's where the rivalry with sony and dsd must come in Al ; or they decided to make the tray mechanism more stable by dropping a few disc types ? . Shame they couldn't put a few more heat sinks in instead of the fan . Quote thing that pokes out the back Some sort of wifi dongle? Maybe trying to shield it faraday wise ? a mystery.. An easier choice for those who want an all in one including Netflix etc and aren't universal player aficionados or have a separate sd model is the regular top of the line UB820 that covers dv and hdr10+ Ide rather my pre pro do the decoding so Ile save some dosh
att23 Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 No SACD capability at this price point is not acceptable (at least not to me).
Mobe1969 Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 4 hours ago, att23 said: No SACD capability at this price point is not acceptable (at least not to me). Don't you have another player? Do you need a disc player to do everything? I was thinking about this player is now with the demise of oppo, it'll be in a league of its own.
betty boop Posted April 4, 2018 Author Posted April 4, 2018 7 hours ago, Mobe1969 said: Don't you have another player? Do you need a disc player to do everything? I was thinking about this player is now with the demise of oppo, it'll be in a league of its own. sony seem to manage it, so am not sure why pana cant. pana has had dvda replay included in the past for instance. some people are indeed looking for a player for everything. the universal replay of the oppo is one of its main attractions... and things like its region freeable etc
Mobe1969 Posted April 4, 2018 Posted April 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, al said: sony seem to manage it, so am not sure why pana cant. pana has had dvda replay included in the past for instance. some people are indeed looking for a player for everything. the universal replay of the oppo is one of its main attractions... and things like its region freeable etc I don't disagree they should have it, and having one disc player would be an advantage, but I'd not see it as a show stopper when looking for a good UHD player. I found the region freeable on the oppo a bit too cumbersome, given how slow the ejection, power off power on etc takes.
cwt Posted April 4, 2018 Posted April 4, 2018 Panasonic and Sony have always had a rivalry between their proprietary inventions and the phillips/sony developed sacd format is one ; pana/ technics pushed the Meridian developed dvd-a from the start . That said Pana aren't as protective as Sony and if you look at the specs they've mellowed some and let you play dsd files ; just convert your sacds Quote High-resolution Audio Playback (DSD (11.2MHz/5.6MHz/2.8MHz), ALAC, FLAC, WAV, AIFF) Its always more complicated to get a disc mechanism to play a variety of formats ; once had a pio bdp51 that wouldn't play cd's https://www.whathifi.com/forum/home-cinema/pioneer-bdp-51fd-not-reading-cds
att23 Posted April 4, 2018 Posted April 4, 2018 12 hours ago, Mobe1969 said: Don't you have another player? Do you need a disc player to do everything? I was thinking about this player is now with the demise of oppo, it'll be in a league of its own. I only have a stereo SACD player. So I was looking for a UHD 4k player that can also play multi-channel SACDs, and then utilising my existing AVR/Integrated amp combo. Killing two birds with a stone, rather than getting a separate UHD 4k player and then spend heaps more to upgrade to a decent multi-channel SACD player etc (not many around that I can afford and also like) When I was shopping for such a player a few months ago, I didn't have a choice but only to choose between Oppo or Sony. I guess I am the odd one out of thousands of customers who is specifically looking for this capability. Sad to hear about Oppo. I guess I also momentarily got Pana mixed up with Pioneer. LOL. I was thinking how come the new Pioneer flagship disc player has SACD capability but they don't include it in their flagship UHD 4k player... Forgot it is Pana.... Silly me.
deafenears Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 On 01/04/2018 at 5:11 PM, al said: also what on heck is that thing that pokes out the back of this player left of the dan on the back shot ? Maybe SCART / Japanese RGB-21? 1
betty boop Posted April 5, 2018 Author Posted April 5, 2018 On 04/04/2018 at 5:32 PM, att23 said: I guess I also momentarily got Pana mixed up with Pioneer. LOL. I was thinking how come the new Pioneer flagship disc player has SACD capability but they don't include it in their flagship UHD 4k player... Forgot it is Pana.... Silly me. You are not alone in wanting a universal player. Most people buying oppo’s in last 10-15 years have for just that reason. one good reason I was interested to change pana to oppo this 9000 does still interest me as it gets rid of some of the awkwardness of the 900 with its faux crystal plastic flip down flap thing bring very short depth component, not having conventional controls or mush display to speak off in back fit finish it looks more further away from a box mover player to it is s real pity though misses out on sacd/DVDA because you are right with hdmi out it would have been perfect for multichannel.
cwt Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 21 minutes ago, deafenears said: Maybe SCART / Japanese RGB-21? Hi deafenears ; Maybe 10+ years ago when analog video was still available on bd players Hollywoods analog sunset clause did that in so we have hdmi instead for better or worse Quote it is s real pity though misses out on sacd/DVDA Have been digging around about this Al as I have a few sacds and the file playback for dsd looks like it will cover multichannel sacd as well based on the 820 model specs just released in the UK as well as high sample rate ones . I just use FLAC for dvd-a ; Ime just too slack to change discs DSD (DFF, DSF) yes (2.8MHz (2ch/ 5.1ch), 5.6MHz (2ch/ 5.1ch), 11.2MHz(2ch)) 1
JSmith Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 On 15/02/2018 at 11:15 AM, al said: Looks like an Oppo... but doesn't do SACD and some other legacy formats. Some said here competition would be good for Oppo... seems to have just put them out of business. JSmith
Rob181 Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, JSmith said: Some said here competition would be good for Oppo... seems to have just put them out of business. That is the funniest post of the week... 1
deafenears Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, cwt said: Maybe 10+ years ago when analog video was still available on bd players Hollywoods analog sunset clause did that in so we have hdmi instead for better or worse heh, that would explain why it's all covered up 1
JSmith Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Rob181 said: That is the funniest post of the week... Happy to discuss Rob... if you could just make your meaning clearer. There was much bagging of the Oppo on release (even here) and Pana was out earlier with their model without bugs. Oppo have been screwed... and made it worse themselves by focusing on high spec'd players only. JSmith
JSmith Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 54 minutes ago, al said: one good reason I was interested to change pana to oppo Didn't you sell yours within a few weeks and then purchased the Pana? ... or did you change back again? JSmith
Rob181 Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 21 minutes ago, JSmith said: Happy to discuss Rob... if you could just make your meaning clearer. Does the Pana play SACD...NO... Does the Pana have the same 2 channel reproduction...NO... Does the Pana offer genuine 2 channel DAC options... NO... Need I go on...the pana is not a competitor in the same space...
betty boop Posted April 5, 2018 Author Posted April 5, 2018 1 hour ago, JSmith said: Didn't you sell yours within a few weeks and then purchased the Pana? ... or did you change back again? JSmith I think i have pointed to this before ? https://www.stereo.net.au/forums/topic/234789-oppo-205-uhd-universal-player-a-2nd-coming-an-end-users-perspective/ 1
JSmith Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, Rob181 said: Does the Pana play SACD...NO... Does the Pana have the same 2 channel reproduction...NO... Does the Pana offer genuine 2 channel DAC options... NO... Need I go on...the pana is not a competitor in the same space... Rob, well aware of all this and have posted same in the Oppo thread as genuine frustrations. That said, I'm sure you're aware that many enthusiasts purchased the first release Pana, so I do believe it made a dent in their market. Oppo was not just for audio enthusiasts but video enthusiasts too... many would buy the player and not use the analogue stage and/or video processing at all. @:) al Apologies, I forgot you had posted that before... it's hard to keep up with the rate you buy gear. JSmith
Rob181 Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, JSmith said: Rob, well aware of all this and have posted same in the Oppo thread as genuine frustrations. That said, I'm sure you're aware that many enthusiasts purchased the first release Pana, so I do believe it made a dent in their market. Its like comparing a Subaru Forester to a Landrover... Both have 4 wheel drive... But you would only take one across the dessert...
JSmith Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rob181 said: Its like comparing a Subaru Forester to a Landrover... Not at all... you're forgetting that the Pana was PQ king when Oppo stuffed their release and continued to be rated highly. It's not really all about audio here is it with a bluray player... JSmith 1
Hi-Fi Whipped Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 Panasonic have the runs on the board with video disc players, always class leading for performance/value. i just don't get 7.1 analogue output on a machine that doesn't do SACD / DVD-A and I'd be pretty certain no one in thier right mind would pay a premium for its balanced 2 channel output when you can buy a CD player for that, even if it can stream music it's not going to hold a candle to a dedicated streamer. you would think in this day and age a focus on best possible video and jitter free digital audio would be a better bet and a more cost effective direction. Most people that give a hoot about high quality audio have thier DAC of choice in thier system anyway, why confine all that money to one device that can't even accept digital audio? cambridge really are on to something with thier transport only UHD player but the price is way too high, if it was aimed at the $650-750 market they'd sell plenty! 2
Rob181 Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 7 hours ago, JSmith said: It's not really all about audio here is it with a bluray player... And that...my good man...is where we disagree... And why my analogy is legit... The Oppo is very good at a lot of things SACD included... The Pana is a very good BR player that pretends to do other things well...
betty boop Posted April 5, 2018 Author Posted April 5, 2018 8 hours ago, Hi-Fi Whipped said: Panasonic have the runs on the board with video disc players, always class leading for performance/value. I found it (the 900 model) struggled with DVD. i tried working with their support but to no avail. its very painful their support. clueless call centre. all scripted. down know what talking about. send them an email explaining get a scripted response. finally asked them to pass onto engineers. got some reponse and then another just telling me to do things tried already. gave up dvd is not as good as on the oppo. time will tell on the pana. its an expensive machine at 999 GBP we are looking at something priced in oppo 205 price bracket but without that i can see the cred the oppo has with the top line dac/analog stages power supplies etc. if the pana doest support all the universal disc play of the oppo(cd/sacd/dvd-a) you are then paying a lot just for the video side. which is going to be any better than the 900/820 model ? thats selling at a fraction less ?
JSmith Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Rob181 said: The Pana is a very good BR player that pretends to do other things well... I agree and said as much in my last post... but that doesn't mean that the Pana and other players released prior to the Oppo sans issues didn't eat into their intended market. The Pana's went like hotcakes and many that purchased them had Oppo's that they were replacing it with or were people that were waiting for the Oppo but couldn't wait for the UHD Oppo player. JSmith
Mauro Posted April 26, 2018 Posted April 26, 2018 Any info(images) on the transport used by Panasonic. I hope it's something special and not some of the shelf rubbish. 1
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