betty boop Posted October 3, 2018 Author Posted October 3, 2018 On 03/10/2018 at 3:31 AM, franin said: I agree Al it will be nice to get a couple of reviews before outlaying the dough. I guess we have to be patient. Expand yep have to be patient ....
TP1 Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 On 03/10/2018 at 1:48 AM, Terminate said: agree, every time I get a new notification about a new post I get excited, then when come in it’s one member arguing how good the Sony is and negging the jvc. Let’s just keep it to news about the new models. Maybe we should start a JVC N series thread Expand It depends on which way you look at it. There are pro JVC buyers and dealers on this thread that do the opposite . But I agree , if you want a JVC only appreciation discussion, then a separate thread is probably better than a warts and all expose of the new models.
Javs Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 On 03/10/2018 at 4:25 AM, :) al said: yep sure am, and they deserve it. if its not something ready for market then they quite frankly shouldnt even have it on a brochure or or quote specs or anything for it out there. display as a concept maybe. but at present sorry i aint playing. we arent beta testers javs. not for the kind of money people pay for these units. all this is telling me, given the complete lack of anything... is the unit aint ready for prime time.... Sorry but I disagree.Release date is 'prime time'.They have until then to do whatever they want and finesse the firmware as much as they need to.Literally no company out there is operating any differently... Name some?You are getting upset because an unreleased product has not been reviewed yet...
TP1 Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 On 03/10/2018 at 2:50 AM, Javs said: The Sony's are a small update, the JVC's completely new all round. Expand JVC has has had to make significant updates to accommodate the 4k panels (which Sony had done years previously). Sony has moved on and has new video processing hardware and software. I wouldn't call it a small update if what i am reading is correct about the performance. In terms of video processing capabilities, early reports of JVC demo's showed that they were poorer at up conversion ( up conversion happens for all non 4k material to be used with 4k panels) not only compared to Sony, but compared to what bluray the players could do. Given that they were pre-production models there is a chance that JVC might address the issue and this is something that buyers would need to be aware of.
Javs Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 On 03/10/2018 at 4:56 AM, Tasso said: JVC has has had to make significant updates to accommodate the 4k panels (which Sony had done years previously). Sony has moved on and has new video processing hardware and software. I wouldn't call it a small update if what i am reading is correct about the performance. In terms of video processing capabilities, early reports of JVC demo's showed that they were poorer at up conversion ( up conversion happens for all non 4k material to be used with 4k panels) not only compared to Sony, but compared to what bluray the players could do. Given that they were pre-production models there is a chance that JVC might address the issue and this is something that buyers would need to be aware of. Yes the lamp Sony's are a small change. They have been touting the exact same changes year on year verbatim. The 760es, that's a big change. The new laser with the arc-f lens and dual dynamic contrast system, that's a big change. 1
betty boop Posted October 3, 2018 Author Posted October 3, 2018 On 03/10/2018 at 4:54 AM, Javs said: Sorry but I disagree. Release date is 'prime time'. They have until then to do whatever they want and finesse the firmware as much as they need to. Literally no company out there is operating any differently... Name some? You are getting upset because an unreleased product has not been reviewed yet... Expand if they are announcing something and it’s not ready they don’t deserve my money. If they are putting something on sale that too scared to show anyone sorry not getting my money. they had no trouble shoeing the n5 and n9 didn’t they ? See not so hard not even for them selves. am not a chump, not born yesterday I’ve lived on bleeding edge with av stuff for 30+ years. You might think it’s ok. But not me sorry.
Javs Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 On 03/10/2018 at 6:02 AM, :) al said: if they are announcing something and it’s not ready they don’t deserve my money. If they are putting something on sale that too scared to show anyone sorry not getting my money. they had no trouble doing do with n5 and n9 didn’t they ? See not so hard not even fir them selves. am not a chump not born yesterday I’ve lived on bleeding edge with av stuff for 30+ years. You might think it’s ok. But not me sorry.Except it is not on sale is it? Which is entirely my point... I don't get the aggression honestly.
TP1 Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 On 03/10/2018 at 5:09 AM, Javs said: They have been touting the exact same changes year on year verbatim. Expand Not really. They use the same names like "Reality Creation" but the underlying software and hardware has changed this year. That is not minor.
Johnny_Boy Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 On 03/10/2018 at 6:02 AM, :) al said: if they are announcing something and it’s not ready they don’t deserve my money. If they are putting something on sale that too scared to show anyone sorry not getting my money. they had no trouble shoeing the n5 and n9 didn’t they ? See not so hard not even for them selves. am not a chump, not born yesterday I’ve lived on bleeding edge with av stuff for 30+ years. You might think it’s ok. But not me sorry. Expand dont get this response at all. Sure it would have been nice to have all three available to demo when announced, but they gave the top and bottom models. The N7 is going to be in the middle somewhere. So what if it takes until they are officially on sale before someone reviews them. From the looks of your posts you have had a number of JVC units over the years, and having to wait a few more weeks surly wouldn't put you off purchasing. If you want an example of a really poor launch, look at the new RTX 2080ti graphics card release. Its main promise is ray tracing, yet cant do it at launch. Now that's a stuff up. Simple not showing one of three models is fine. Hell that same graphics card analogy works, as so far they have only shown/released the two top models. Going to be months before the lower spec cards are released. And if you really think having to wait a few weeks for a review on the N7 is a no go for JVC, talk with your dollar and get the sony
betty boop Posted October 3, 2018 Author Posted October 3, 2018 On 03/10/2018 at 6:04 AM, Javs said: Except it is not on sale is it? Which is entirely my point... I don't get the aggression honestly. Expand its up for order in the us and will shortly be in au. and it is yet sight unseen. that I wont put money on it because they are too scared to give it an airing is seen as aggression ? so be it. its my money and my call and i am allowed to have an opinion and make my own decisions. thanks
betty boop Posted October 3, 2018 Author Posted October 3, 2018 On 03/10/2018 at 6:44 AM, Johnny_Boy said: dont get this response at all. Sure it would have been nice to have all three available to demo when announced, but they gave the top and bottom models. The N7 is going to be in the middle somewhere. So what if it takes until they are officially on sale before someone reviews them. From the looks of your posts you have had a number of JVC units over the years, and having to wait a few more weeks surly wouldn't put you off purchasing. If you want an example of a really poor launch, look at the new RTX 2080ti graphics card release. Its main promise is ray tracing, yet cant do it at launch. Now that's a stuff up. Simple not showing one of three models is fine. Hell that same graphics card analogy works, as so far they have only shown/released the two top models. Going to be months before the lower spec cards are released. And if you really think having to wait a few weeks for a review on the N7 is a no go for JVC, talk with your dollar and get the sony Expand because the n7 is not an n5, it has things like the p3 filter the n5 doesnt have. it has different light engine I understand. it runs a dynamic iris over that n5 doesnt have. the n7 is also not an n9, the n9 is a whole another beast because of the lens on it, jump up in contrast etc. these JVCs are a whole new chasis, new ball game, I doubt think quite frankly any of jvc prior efforts have any bearing. In my minds going to be quite crucial frankly how the n7 stacks up particularly vs prior units. too much of a gamble otherwise. jvc has made efforts with the n5 and n9 to give us an appreciation, but not by n7. thanks you for your suggestion, but sorry none of sony's models refreshes (within budget) (we have had some early testing posted by javs above) even modestly have raised any interest factor for me.
Javs Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 On 03/10/2018 at 7:09 AM, :) al said: its up for order in the us and will shortly be in au. and it is yet sight unseen. that I wont put money on it because they are too scared to give it an airing is seen as aggression ? so be it. its my money and my call and I am allowed to have an opinion and make my own decisions. thanks Expand You certainly can, not telling you how to spend your money mate, Maybe go back and read your last 5 posts, you are using some pretty strong wording in there. ? This little gem was in there, and to be honest, JVC has not even crossed this threshold yet, Quote car makers even have the review releases embargo timed week before the weekends cars are released... same happens with cameras....its all in the timing. jvc seems very lacking in this regard not helping themselves or their potential customers Expand We are still weeks away from release mate is my point, you are losing your lunch over the lack of N7 appearance in reviewer hands when they displayed two of the models in a show to thousands of attendees. I dont think this is any kind of conspiracy here, and you seem to be super angry about it... As I said, I dont get it. Ill leave it there obviously.
betty boop Posted October 3, 2018 Author Posted October 3, 2018 On 03/10/2018 at 7:22 AM, Javs said: We are still weeks away from release mate is my point, you are losing your lunch over the lack of N7 appearance in reviewer hands when they displayed two of the models in a show to thousands of attendees. I dont think this is any kind of conspiracy here, and you seem to be super angry about it... As I said, I dont get it. Ill leave it there obviously. Expand I will leave it there javs, I dont think getting my point at all. if you want to follow model releases with cars check out HOW much info we have and I am talking so far out it is not funny ! we have press days way way out even wiht prototypes and such, the review the week before I am talking about is THE full review. same goes with cameras and such. if you have been following the canon eosr and nikon Z6/7 releases you would also have some appreciation. we have had full hands on reviews on these before people could even pre order. let alone go pick one up ! at the moment we have had nothing on the n7 nothing compared even to the n5 and n9. "super angry" ? aggression ? that is all your putting words there. I am just making a point. and its fact. we have had nothing on the n7, nothing for me to make a purchasing decision on. leaving it there. 1
TP1 Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) On 03/10/2018 at 6:44 AM, Johnny_Boy said: And if you really think having to wait a few weeks for a review on the N7 is a no go for JVC, talk with your dollar and get the sony Expand The inference made by JVC at the launch was that it was ready and they gave final specifications as well. There was every indication that the model was finalised but apparently that is not the case. I don't think it is unreasonable for a consumer to demand all the relevant information to be provided up front. Edited October 3, 2018 by Tasso
wooferocau Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 On 03/10/2018 at 8:15 AM, Tasso said: The inference made by JVC at the launch was that it was ready and they gave final specifications as well. There was every indication that the model was finalised but apparently that is not the case. I don't think it is unreasonable for a consumer to demand all the relevant information to be provided up front. Expand I dont get it ?? The new JVC projectors are NOT released for several weeks yet.... Spec/Product sheets are out now for ALL the new JVC projectors.. Once production samples are available , reviews will follow.... 1
Johnny_Boy Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 On 03/10/2018 at 8:15 AM, Tasso said: The inference made by JVC at the launch was that it was ready and they gave final specifications as well. There was every indication that the model was finalised but apparently that is not the case. I don't think it is unreasonable for a consumer to demand all the relevant information to be provided up front. Expand what haven't they done? The specs have been provided, the only thing they haven't done is provide a sample N7 unit. And that's their prerogative if they choose to do that prior to launch. Plus, i'm not about to base a major purchase decision on a pre-release sample version reviews. I would be waiting for retail sample reviews before pulling the trigger. 2
Guest Terminate Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) I think all the excitement fo the new projectors is getting to everyone. I was excited until i saw the prices. As soon as the official prices are released, and if are close to whats been published so far, ill be looking at the 7900 I think. Edited October 3, 2018 by Terminate
oztheatre Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 They didn't leave the N7 out on purpose, they we're obviously trying to get it all ready but ran out of time..
TP1 Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) On 03/10/2018 at 10:52 AM, Johnny_Boy said: Plus, i'm not about to base a major purchase decision on a pre-release sample version reviews. I would be waiting for retail sample reviews before pulling the trigger. Expand I guess you have honed in on the issue. The IFA and CEDIA releases are unashamedly showcases backed by big marketing. Against that background the N7 was presented on paper only which is ordinary to say the least, I am not convinced that they had any intention of doing things differently either It seems they they have hit problems but have promoted performance levels that they cant deliver yet. I tend to advocate for consumers over multi-national corporations and their dealers. I have no doubt JVC will do the right thing eventually but there is no way that any hype that has been put forward to secure advance sales can be relied upon. Edited October 3, 2018 by Tasso 1
Kaynin Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 On 03/10/2018 at 10:58 AM, oztheatre said: They didn't leave the N7 out on purpose, they we're obviously trying to get it all ready but ran out of time.. Expand that's an issue...
oztheatre Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 On 04/10/2018 at 2:26 AM, Kaynin said: that's an issue... Expand why? X or Y show on once a year at a certain time, JVC supposedly couldn't get one of their projectors ready by a specified date.. 1
betty boop Posted October 4, 2018 Author Posted October 4, 2018 On 04/10/2018 at 7:06 AM, oztheatre said: why? X or Y show on once a year at a certain time, JVC supposedly couldn't get one of their projectors ready by a specified date.. Expand have missed three opportunities so far oz for the n7 to get an airing, with IFA first in germany where they showed the n5 and n9. at cedia in us where they showed the n9 and n5. and then london where they had a press day (vincent from hdtvtest attended) where they had a showing for the n9 and also opportunities for quality time with the n9. is there anything planned to get the n7 an airing ? ... whether another press day or for matter any of guys in press like vincent or kris deering get a look see at one prior to release so we can have some of their insight on it. there are MANY unanswered questions specific to the n7. We have the stereo net show on in 10 days would have thought that if nothing else would have been a good opportunity to show case. its been a month since if a where the other two models were first on show, you'd think the n7 would be ready to go by now ? otherwise I guess there is CES at start of next year... or if they plan to get out to some of these guys for press reviews prior to release... who knows...all just leaves likes of us non the wiser... that said, i understand if they have non interest to do anything with the N7, if they have a big back log of previous gen 7 series want to clear first...
Javs Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 On 04/10/2018 at 7:40 AM, :) al said: there are MANY unanswered questions specific to the n7. Expand Like what? Maybe I can help answer some.
Javs Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 On 04/10/2018 at 7:06 AM, oztheatre said: why? X or Y show on once a year at a certain time, JVC supposedly couldn't get one of their projectors ready by a specified date.. Expand Who says they actually intended to even show the N7 though? Does every manufacturer have every single projector in the line up in a projection booth? I dont think so. JVC have historically only had one or two models projecting at the trade shows in the past. Did Sony show all their units? I think its more a case of they never had the intention of showing it. You can work out everything you need to know by seeing the N5 and NX9. The N7 will be an N5 with the colour gamut and most of the contrast of the NX9... Pretty simple IMO.
betty boop Posted October 4, 2018 Author Posted October 4, 2018 On 04/10/2018 at 7:49 AM, Javs said: Like what? Maybe I can help answer some. Expand have you seen one or had any hands on with an n7 , compared with anything as yet ? have you run any material on any. I am not interested in hypotheticals. I want actual first hand end user feedback. not something off specs or anything like that. real world performance and capability is my interest. any... literally any... impressions from first hand experience would be great. We have had zero on the n7. Iff you would like a full list of what are question marks in my mind on this series below is a bit of a list off top of my head. keeping in mind apart from the lamp they are using the entire projector is a new unit from what I understand. as far as question marks... lets see... just what picture quality of n7 is actually like on varied material DVD, blu-ray, uhd. what is it natively and what is its upscaling like. compared against a known reference - current 7 series would help. how does it stack up for light output with p3 filter implementation. is it same as the n9 ? who knows ? again comparison with current known reference would help eg current 7 series how does its dual iris work ? whats it like in action. again comparison vs current known reference would do eg current 7 series would help.. streaking ? whats that like on the n7 compared vs current known reference eg current 7 how does its contrast stack up vs older gen 7 series and vs n5 what is n7 tone mapping like with its p3 filter in place, contrast capability and given its output capability vs other means eg the pana On 04/10/2018 at 7:53 AM, Javs said: I think its more a case of they never had the intention of showing it. You can work out everything you need to know by seeing the N5 and NX9. The N7 will be an N5 with the colour gamut and most of the contrast of the NX9... Pretty simple IMO. Expand sorry that doesnt stack up for me. the n9 has some pretty serious optics going for it. plus quite a hike up in contrast and also output. no interest in the n5. And I want impressions on the actual unit not joining dots between one non comparable model with another non comparable model.
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