Spizz Posted November 27, 2018 Posted November 27, 2018 Look forward to your thoughts. I'm going to the Adelaide one at VAF in a few weeks.
jklow888 Posted November 27, 2018 Posted November 27, 2018 That box is to clean for a demo so what privileges do you have to get before dealers! (besides spending big). Look forward to your comments...
IMDave Posted November 27, 2018 Posted November 27, 2018 Thanks @wooferocau . I love it when we beat the Yanks. The AVS thread now has 10000 posts, and a shed load of whining and wingeing. Just for giggles...let them ask all the questions they want...............but don't give them any answers. That will drive them crazy. 1
betty boop Posted November 27, 2018 Author Posted November 27, 2018 look forward to your thoughts @wooferocau
Michael391 Posted November 27, 2018 Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) can't wait to hear your thoughts woof..... Edited November 27, 2018 by Michael391 spelling....
Davo1972 Posted November 27, 2018 Posted November 27, 2018 Nice one Woofer! Can’t wait to read your impressions!!
Mr Diamond Posted November 27, 2018 Posted November 27, 2018 Just obtained unauthorised footage of Woofers place this evening: 2
minireza Posted November 27, 2018 Posted November 27, 2018 So Lifestyle Store had all of the new Sony 2018/19 projectors on show for us - was very cool to be able to see them all in action. Sony 870ES - I was very impressed by this model. It was throwing onto a 170 Inch Curved Cinemascope screen (acoustically transparent - micro perforated). I'm not a curved screen fan, and acoustic transparent screens very much intrigue me so was good to see it in that environment. They tested with mixed content. Few 16x9 movies, 2.35:1 Movies etc. I love that one day this laser technology will make it to (hopefully) sub $20K price bracket. Compared to the Barco Balder Cinemascope i've witnessed, I preferred it, and it's almost half the price! Sony 570ES - This was throwing onto a 133 inch cinemascope screen. Only problem was it was throwing onto a grey screen (will be changed out to white in coming weeks). Having seen the previous 550ES in the same room a few weeks back, I did prefer the new 570ES. Since this is more price range, was nice to see that the projector did in fact look good (albeit the grey screen made it darker than I would like). For me, I need to project onto a 170 inch cinemascope screen, so interested to see how bright the projector stays when pushed to that size. It really makes me even more excited for the N7 from JVC; I have a feeling that the JVC will outperform the 570ES for the same money. Only time will tell though!! 3
Davo1972 Posted November 27, 2018 Posted November 27, 2018 1 hour ago, minireza said: It really makes me even more excited for the N7 from JVC; I have a feeling that the JVC will outperform the 570ES for the same money. Only time will tell though!! Although it remains to be seen, I do agree with you on this. It was interesting to see the drop in RRP from the VPL-VW550ES (around $15-16K iirc) to the VPL-VW570ES ($11.5K). I think the DLA-N7 has scared Sony. Good to have some competition imo! Just need the DLA-N7 to arrive in Australia... Can't wait to get mine! 2
betty boop Posted November 27, 2018 Author Posted November 27, 2018 1 hour ago, minireza said: Having seen the previous 550ES in the same room a few weeks back, I did prefer the new 570ES. Since this is more price range, was nice to see that the projector did in fact look good (albeit the grey screen made it darker than I would like). For me, I need to project onto a 170 inch cinemascope screen, so interested to see how bright the projector stays when pushed to that size. It really makes me even more excited for the N7 from JVC; I have a feeling that the JVC will outperform the 570ES for the same money. Only time will tell though!! good to hear got the chance to experience the 570es it definitely will be THE model for sony, great they reduced the price to take the fight upto jvc. though still leaves a big gap to the next model down and not sure anyone in right mind would buy the model down sony the 570ES is pretty much it ! re screen sizes. a 170" scope screen would be an impossible task for any of these projectors ! that is a 4m wide screen and 185" 16:9 ! the sony output claims have always dropped off with calibration, but even the brightest JVC are not going to manage things when comes to HDR, the chart below from JVC is a pretty good guide I think in what size screens comfortably manage outputs necessary. keeping in mind want to have something up the sleeve as things age
oztheatre Posted November 27, 2018 Posted November 27, 2018 Those numbers are nonsense as they off the box numbers. HDR? never bothered with it. I'll take the bt2020 colour pallette any day over this hdr nonsense. I'm running a 4 metre wide scope screen with the JVC X7900 and it's more than bright enough.
betty boop Posted November 27, 2018 Author Posted November 27, 2018 34 minutes ago, oztheatre said: Those numbers are nonsense as they off the box numbers. HDR? never bothered with it. I'll take the bt2020 colour pallette any day over this hdr nonsense. the JVC's post calibration I have found pretty close to their claim, but yeah wiht sony we do know that with calibration it does drop off ! re HDR or not thats a personal choice but reality is to get benefit from it you need to be in the 30-35 FL and above range from a projector. 36 minutes ago, oztheatre said: I'm running a 4 metre wide scope screen with the JVC X7900 and it's more than bright enough. sure, but not everyone will be buying a x7900 and deciding to give the benefits of HDR a miss....
oztheatre Posted November 27, 2018 Posted November 27, 2018 1 minute ago, betty boop said: the JVC's post calibration I have found pretty close to their claim, but yeah wiht sony we do know that with calibration it does drop off ! re HDR or not thats a personal choice but reality is to get benefit from it you need to be in the 30-35 FL and above range from a projector. sure, but not everyone will be buying a x7900 and deciding to give the benefits of HDR a miss.... Cinemas run at 12-16 FL correct? Having more than double, almost triple the brightness would surely fatigue your eyes? I'm yet to see any benefit from hdr Al, I just don't see what the fuss is about. Maybe I need my eyes replaced haha.
betty boop Posted November 27, 2018 Author Posted November 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, oztheatre said: Cinemas run at 12-16 FL correct? Having more than double, almost triple the brightness would surely fatigue your eyes? I'm yet to see any benefit from hdr Al, I just don't see what the fuss is about. Maybe I need my eyes replaced haha. yes for SDR and how I have mine calibrated for dvd/blu-rays FTA tv and such. for dolby vision commercial theatres they run 100nits or 30 FL. and how I have mine calibrated for HDR as well and for HDR you do need the added oomph... HDR in my experience over last few years I find works together with WCG for great benefit to colour volume. its not just wider colour gamut but you need the nits behind it for the benefit. movies like life of pi and many more can think off have really benefitted for this. at a 4m screen HDR will now doubt be a challenge oz and why possibly not seen the benefit. but maybe you need one of the calibrators who do a great job with HDR to pop by... if haven't already its one of the great gains of the new gen of JVCs since the x7000 in my opinion. which the new range here are just taking further. its the one benefit along with WCG thats there regardless of resolution or screen size or viewing distance .... I've said it before but not doing HDR on these new projectors is like taking a ferrari or lamborghini...letting the air out their tyres and then running them on canola oil
DoggieHowser Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 2 hours ago, oztheatre said: Those numbers are nonsense as they off the box numbers. HDR? never bothered with it. I'll take the bt2020 colour pallette any day over this hdr nonsense. I'm running a 4 metre wide scope screen with the JVC X7900 and it's more than bright enough. Except I have a sneaky feeling that many "SDR/BT2020" conversions aren't exactly outputting BT2020. I have been testing a BenQ LK990 prototype and it seems like the color gamut switches to Rec709 not BT2020 when I set the Oppo/Panasonic to SDR/BT2020. Same thing I suspect is happening with the Sony 760ES. I did remember reading similar conclusions in AVS. I don't have a measuring tool for this but the Marantz volume level overlay seems a good indication. In BT2020 mode, it is always a richer shade of orange. In Rec 709, a yellow bar.
oztheatre Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 37 minutes ago, DoggieHowser said: Except I have a sneaky feeling that many "SDR/BT2020" conversions aren't exactly outputting BT2020. I have been testing a BenQ LK990 prototype and it seems like the color gamut switches to Rec709 not BT2020 when I set the Oppo/Panasonic to SDR/BT2020. Same thing I suspect is happening with the Sony 760ES. I did remember reading similar conclusions in AVS. I don't have a measuring tool for this but the Marantz volume level overlay seems a good indication. In BT2020 mode, it is always a richer shade of orange. In Rec 709, a yellow bar. Has more range in red, you then need to adjust for that and it looks brilliant.
betty boop Posted November 28, 2018 Author Posted November 28, 2018 38 minutes ago, DoggieHowser said: Except I have a sneaky feeling that many "SDR/BT2020" conversions aren't exactly outputting BT2020. apart from imax dual laser, I am not aware of domestic projectors doing full bt2020. they all do either p3 as the jvcs x7000 and x9000 /epson and later have done or a sub set of that with parts of p3 as sony are capable. p3 is a subset of bt2020 about 53.6% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rec._2020 I am pretty sure UHD standard is based around dci p3 not full bt2020.
Javs Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 16 minutes ago, betty boop said: apart from imax dual laser, I am not aware of domestic projectors doing full bt2020. they all do either p3 as the jvcs x7000 and x9000 /epson and later have done or a sub set of that with parts of p3 as sony are capable. p3 is a subset of bt2020 about 53.6% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rec._2020 I am pretty sure UHD standard is based around dci p3 not full bt2020. BT2020 is the colour space of UHD Bluray, its just that they are generally targeting P3 within that. 1
betty boop Posted November 28, 2018 Author Posted November 28, 2018 Just now, Javs said: BT2020 is the colour space of UHD Bluray, its just that they are generally targeting P3 within that. sure. however is it capable of full bt2020 ? my understanding is its p3 subset. certainly am not aware of projectors we are talking here capable of of full colour space apart from the imax ones. I know some are targeting over p3 but am not sure much of that will be benefitted with what uhd has to offer ?
DoggieHowser Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 30 minutes ago, oztheatre said: Has more range in red, you then need to adjust for that and it looks brilliant. What I mean is that when outputting SDR/BT2020, I think the projector is somehow converting it to SDR/REC709 - that's why the Marantz color bar looks less intense. The actual image looks color correct otherwise.
DoggieHowser Posted November 28, 2018 Posted November 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, Javs said: BT2020 is the colour space of UHD Bluray, its just that they are generally targeting P3 within that. Exactly that. The colorspace of the HDMI signal is in BT2020 even though the "displayable" colors are within P3. I'm not sure about the X7000 - but on the X9500, I always noticed the Marantz volume bar color was much more intense on HDR BT2020, than in SDR REC709 material. When I use the Oppo/Panasonic to convert to SDR/BT2020, the Marantz color bar looks like the Rec709 version.
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