2019 - 2020 projector releases ?

[betty boop]

1 minute ago, wooferocau said:

Again courteous   of Craig Peer.. 

all these shots really only showing them static and on display. I wonder if they are planning to have them and the jvc on demo  

[BradC]

The diameter of a lens is the primary property that determines its sharpness (resolution). For a single colour you can make a perfect lens and the only things that determine the resolution are the diameter and colour (an example is lenses used in blu-ray players)

[wooferocau]

US models, but same product info..

 

The new JVC's are up on their webpage - 

http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?model_id=MDL102548

http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?model_id=MDL102549

http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?model_id=MDL102550

 

[wooferocau]

3 minutes ago, al said:

all these shots really only showing them static and on display. I wonder if they are planning to have them and the jvc on demo  

Live displays will be over the next few days..

[Mr Diamond]

I"m spending way too much time constantly refreshing this thread (even though I'm also getting notifications).

Please continue.

[wooferocau]

US Pricing.. Confirmed..

 

RS1000 - $5999
RS2000 - $6999
RS3000 - $17999

 

UK Pricing...."OUCH!!!"  

 

N5     £6,499

N7     £8,499

NX9  £18,599

[Michael391]

2 minutes ago, wooferocau said:

US Pricing.. Confirmed..

 

RS1000 - $5999
RS2000 - $6999
RS3000 - $17999

 

UK Pricing...."OUCH!!!"  

 

N5     £6,499

N7     £8,499

NX9  £18,599

So when do we get the good news on our pricing........

 

7K for the N5?????

[wooferocau]

1 minute ago, Michael391 said:

So when do we get the good news on our pricing........

 

7K for the N5?????

Will be VERY interesting to see what the Aus pricing comes in at! 

[Johnny_Boy]

13 minutes ago, wooferocau said:

US Pricing.. Confirmed..

 

RS1000 - $5999
RS2000 - $6999
RS3000 - $17999

 

UK Pricing...."OUCH!!!"  

 

N5     £6,499

N7     £8,499

NX9  £18,599

lol!
way to price out the entry level JVC market. X5900 was close to my max, and now this will be further out of reach. 

[Mr Diamond]

I'm hoping for the N7.... fingers crossed it's not too far out of my reach, though starting to realise that may be the case.

[Guest Terminate]

34 minutes ago, Johnny_Boy said:

lol!
way to price out the entry level JVC market. X5900 was close to my max, and now this will be further out of reach. 

Yeah I’m the same. Can get the x5900 for just over 4k,  so will be interesting g what we get the n5 for, as can’t justify 2-3k difference

[Mr Diamond]

57 minutes ago, wooferocau said:

US Pricing.. Confirmed..

 

RS1000 - $5999
RS2000 - $6999
RS3000 - $17999

 

Actually just had a look at the links (thanks for posting!) and the RS2000 is actually $7,999.

[Owen]

14 hours ago, BradC said:

The diameter of a lens is the primary property that determines its sharpness (resolution)

Totally incorrect I'm afaid, the larger the lens the more difficult it is to get high MTF (high revolution ability), especially away from image centre.

The purpose of the larger lens is to get a larger maximum aperture to give more light throughput, lower F number in lens terminology. A one stop larger aperture means double the brightness so the lens can have a very significant affect on a projectors lumen rating.

 

The maximum F stop of a zoom lens normally varies with the zoom ratio so the lumen output of the projector will vary significantly with a change in throw distance. However, it is possible to have a constant aperture zoom lens that is the same at all zoom settings BUT these lenses are more complex and expensive to make.

Its vet to be seen if the N9 lens is constant aperture.

 

I expect that most if not all the the N9's extra lumens are due to the fancy lens, BUT it does not automatically follow that it will provide greater MTF (more resolution-sharpness), it may or may not, the size is no indication at all.

 

The MTF of a zoom lens also varies with zoom setting AND the aperture setting. Normally best best performance is achieved with a medium aperture setting and medium zoom setting.

 

Zoom lenses are a compromise, they are a jack of all trades but a master of none. If best performance is required a fixed focal length lens is the go, it can be sharper, brighter, cheaper and often smaller. Projectors use zoom lenses for practical reasons not best performance.

 

If there was no need for lens shift MUCH, MUCH smaller lenses could be used. The projected image only uses a small part of that large front lens area for any given shift setting , the rest of the area is not used so most of that big impressive lens is only there to accomodate lens shift.

 

It would be better if projectors where produced with an interchangeable lens system like an SLR camera. The customer could then select a lens that best suits their needs and their budget rather than a less than optimal all purpose lens.

 

Edited September 7, 2018 by Owen

[Javs]

I note the N7 in the US is identical price to the 9900.

Watch us get raped on it though...

[betty boop]

sound and visions part 1 hands on, on the sony 295ES (called 270es in our lands)

 

https://www.soundandvision.com/content/sony-vpl-vw295es-reviewed—part-1

 

he says once cedia is over and done wiht, he will have it back and calibrate at 100 hours, for a part 2

[betty boop]

52 minutes ago, Javs said:

I note the N7 in the US is identical price to the 9900.

Watch us get raped on it though...

i thoroughly expect suspect the models will move up a notch in price. its understandable wiht the complete brand new chasis, light engine and such 

 

those expecting base n5 to be same price as a X5900 probably better off buying the x5900 if limited in budget and while its still on run out, or consider an older previous gen since there wasnt much between these going back to the x5000. im still running my x7000 and quite happily so and quite possibly will continue to keep doing  

[oztheatre]

The X7900 will continue alongside these new models fyi.

The new models will not be released, same for pricing until all current stock is sold which is about 60 units across all models.

It might be a few months before we see them...

 

2 hours ago, Javs said:

I note the N7 in the US is identical price to the 9900.

Watch us get raped on it though...

The 9900/RS620 in the US is $9999... in Australia it's $10,598.. that would mean our dollar is 94 cents US..

Hardly gouged at all. If they were relative to dollar values the 9900 should be $13999 but its not.

 

The 7900/RS520 was $7999 in the US but is now $6999US and $8499 RRP here..

[betty boop]

9 minutes ago, oztheatre said:

The X7900 will continue alongside these new models fyi.

The new models will not be released, same for pricing until all current stock is sold which is about 60 units across all models.

It might be a few months before we see them...

not suprised on this. JVC locally disowned the fact there was even a new model released last time around if I remember.... a bit trump like and  lets not mention the war   no new model. no no no its all fake news... here have an old one we still have....

 

10 minutes ago, oztheatre said:

The 9900/RS620 in the US is $9999... in Australia it's $10,598.. that would mean our dollar is 94 cents US..

Hardly gouged at all. If they were relative to dollar values the 9900 should be $13999 but its not.

 

The 7900/RS520 was $7999 in the US but is now $6999US and $8499 RRP here..

we do get a pretty good deal locally, always have, am sure we will too.... all in good time  

 

[Javs]

1 hour ago, al said:

i thoroughly expect suspect the models will move up a notch in price. its understandable wiht the complete brand new chasis, light engine and such 

 

those expecting base n5 to be same price as a X5900 probably better off buying the x5900 if limited in budget and while its still on run out, or consider an older previous gen since there wasnt much between these going back to the x5000. im still running my x7000 and quite happily so and quite possibly will continue to keep doing  

The base model, sure, but in the US, the N7 is the exact price of the 9900. Thats fantastic.

 

If that projector has an MSRP of $10,400 like the X9900 then it will knock home runs here and run circles around Sony. I think its much smarter business to price it to where it can knock out the competition and claw back market share.

 

 

[Javs]

26 minutes ago, oztheatre said:

The 9900/RS620 in the US is $9999... in Australia it's $10,598.. that would mean our dollar is 94 cents US..

Hardly gouged at all. If they were relative to dollar values the 9900 should be $13999 but its not.

 

The 7900/RS520 was $7999 in the US but is now $6999US and $8499 RRP here..

Not quite.

 

[oztheatre]

2 minutes ago, Javs said:

Not quite.

 

Ahh you're right I missed a model there. So now it's all relative to the dollar pretty much, why should we get them at the same price anyway?

So the yanks dropped the 9900 down 2 grand and the 7900/540 down 2K also. Buying power plus dollar value = lower retail pricing.

[Javs]

Just now, oztheatre said:

Ahh you're right I missed a model there. So now it's all relative to the dollar pretty much, why should we get them at the same price anyway?

So the yanks dropped the 9900 down 2 grand and the 7900/540 down 2K also. Buying power plus dollar value = lower retail pricing.

Historically I have been very happy with the AU pricing points.

 

Something tells me its going to drastically rise this year. If they do manage to price it at the almost literal current conversion rates I will be happy too, if they go nuts and make it like UK pound conversion rates they wont sell many units at all.

 

I hope I am pleasantly surprised. The NX9 priced at literal conversion would place it at ~$25K MSRP, which would put some heat on the 760ES for sure, a HUGE difference in the lenses there. If its nearer to 30k, then IMO its a bit of a missed opportunity.

[Javs]

From ARROWAV just now at Cedia:

 

At CEDIA JVC has on demo both the JVC NX9 / RS3000 and the JVC NX5 / RS1000.

Both units are prototype preproduction units, neither of which yet have the dynamic contrast functionality; so as per the demos last week at IFA all the demos are with the dynamic contrast turned off and so the projectors are operating with respect to native ON/OFF only.

With respect to the JVC NX9 / RS3000 demo, the screen is a 160" Stewart 1.3 gain screen, so essentially the same size as at IFA.

Despite being a working prototype the image is very impressive and especially given this is without the dynamic contrast so only 1/10th of what will actually be the ON/OFF contrast performance. With the dynamic contrast operating this projector is going to be amazing.

I jumped between the JVC NX9 / RS3000 demo and the demo of the SONY 995/870ES, wherein both demos used some of the same footage. And I have to say that my initial impressions are that the JVC NX9 / RS3000 looks significantly superior in more ways than one. However, differing settings and calibrations could mean that the comparison is somewhat 'apples vs oranges' so I will be reserving judgement and conclusions until after I have been able to comprehensively evaluate actual production units and under controlled conditions. But as far as the demos at both IFA and CEDIA are concerned the JVC NX9 / RS3000 is looking like it might be the superior projector (laser light source vs lamp aside); which is interesting given the MSRPs are $18,000 and $35,000 respectively.

With respect to the JVC NX5 / RS1000 demo, the screen size is smaller at circa 110". This is in a separate room/booth; however, for whatever reason the flap at the rear of the enclosure was/is open such that a large amount of ambient environmental light influxes. That said, and despite the fact that the dynamic contrast was turned off, yet again I am extremely impressed by the image that the JVC NX5 / RS1000 puts out.

Due to the combination of smallish screen size and inability to use any sort of test pattern, it is too difficult to really form any opinion regarding the quality of the lens other than to say that video content looked generally nice and sharp. I have requested to be able to put on and professionally photograph a test pattern, and JVC has said that this might be a possibility towards the end of the show, but I can't make any promises. I will try.

Something else that impressed me with respect to both the NX9 / RS3000 and NX5 / RS1000 is the chroma performance. And colour me impressed (excuse the pun) even moreso when I learned that the NX9 / RS3000 demo was actually being carried out without the BT.2020 filter and yet the colours looked amazing. I then received confirmation that without the filter the projectors are achieving at least 90% of DCI-P3 colour gaumt. With the filter it's over 100% of DCI-P3. And with the filter there is only circa 20% light loss.

I also could not help but notice the much reduced sync times with these new projectors. JVC has claimed that these have been halved and subjectively that certainly indeed seems to be the case.

And with respect to the ANSI contrast increase, specifically this is in relation to the RS4500

Furthermore, JVC will in fact be retaining 2 of the pre-existing eShift projector models, but at much reduced prices

The more that I experience the new JVC projectors the more I am impressed by their respective performance. Without a doubt JVC has completely smashed it with ths new range of projectors. I seriously cannot wait to have handson with all of the NX9 / RS3000, NX7 / RS2000 and NX5 / RS1000 as and when my early review units arrive.

[betty boop]

2 minutes ago, Javs said:

Furthermore, JVC will in fact be retaining 2 of the pre-existing eShift projector models, but at much reduced prices

The more that I experience the new JVC projectors the more I am impressed by their respective performance. Without a doubt JVC has completely smashed it with ths new range of projectors. I seriously cannot wait to have handson with all of the NX9 / RS3000, NX7 / RS2000 and NX5 / RS1000 as and when my early review units arrive.

this supports oztheatres note re the current models continuing. we would expect the 5900 and I really wonder if they will keep the x7900 or  x9900 ?  i think oz mentioned 7900...

[oztheatre]

Just now, al said:

this supports oztheatres note re the current models continuing. we would expect the 5900 and I really wonder if they will keep the x7900 or  x9900 ?  i think oz mentioned 7900...

The yanks might keep 2 of the 3 models, Australia might only do 1 of them, the 7900 at this stage.. Things change so let's wait and see.