2019 - 2020 projector releases ?

[TP1]

 

JVC have traditionally had some margin in their RRP so twist as many arms as possible for the best price.  If there is little movement in price at the moment  it will only be until back orders are filled and supply has caught up with demand.    Remember that there are dealers and Custom AV installers all over the country who can supply projectors on a drop-ship basis so you have nothing to lose firing off requests for quotes.

[TP1]

 

In the JVC range the N7 does seem the best value.   I personally  wouldn't bother using  BT2020  filter  given the 1/3 light loss  and I doubt whether too many people would be worried by, let alone be able to pick the differences  between 100% DCI-P3  coverage and  the coverage without the filter.    This would give you the ability to go bigger with  the screen to take full advantage of those new 4K panels.

Edited October 1, 2018 by Tasso

[poppybob]

Anyone interested in a pair of Sonus Faber Strads for $12000 then can buy me a N7
Ha ha.

[Javs]

 
JVC have traditionally had some margin in their RRP so twist as many arms as possible for the best price.  If there is little movement in price at the moment  it will only be until back orders are filled and supply has caught up with demand.    Remember that there are dealers and Custom AV installers all over the country who can supply projectors on a drop-ship basis so you have nothing to lose firing off requests for quotes.

Yep and I am one of them.

[Vollans]

10 hours ago, poppybob said:

Ridiculous pricing JVC.
Sony is looking better option. Unless some of these retailers can set them up and calibrate them to sell. Which after reading so many comments on this forum that’s highly unlikely.

 

At the moment that's where I've now landed, with hopefully just a few weeks left until I can place my order. Paying more for the NX9 than the 760ES, then having large light loss and ongoing bulb costs, I'm not sure that it's worth. 

[franin]

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Ridiculous pricing JVC.
Sony is looking better option. Unless some of these retailers can set them up and calibrate them to sell. Which after reading so many comments on this forum that’s highly unlikely. [emoji20][emoji20][emoji35][emoji35]

I've had a look on you tube to see them in action and watching it on a mobile phone it doesn't look too bad.

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16 hours ago, Michael391 said:

jeebus........i'm out lol

Might look at the 7900 or eppie

Yeah $9400 for the N5!  I’ll take the 5900 for under 4k or try and stretch for the 7900 if can get a good deal

[oztheatre]

18 hours ago, Quark said:

I was hoping the pricing would be a bit lower. Unless Rich is doing some red hot deals I'll have to sit back and save some pennies.

Of course, I'll be doing flaming red hot deals on these

[Mr Diamond]

The tricky part with the SONY from when I looked into getting one 6 months ago (at least if looking at the current/last gen like the 360ES etc) is that you're still bottlenecked with other things like 10.2-13gbps HDMI ports, or the limited internal processing to only being done at 8bit (from memory) etc.

Edited October 2, 2018 by Mr Diamond

[Javs]

14 minutes ago, Mr Diamond said:

The tricky part with the SONY from when I looked into getting one 6 months ago (at least if looking at the current/last gen like the 360ES etc) is that you're still bottlenecked with other things like 10.2-13gbps HDMI ports, or the limited internal processing to only being done at 8bit (from memory) etc.

The HDMI bottleneck is now sorted on the upcoming models. The internal processing seems to have not changed, You will still see posterization if you know where to look.

[Mr Diamond]

Just now, Javs said:

The HDMI bottleneck is now sorted on the upcoming models. The internal processing seems to have not changed, You will still see posterization if you know where to look.

Bizarre, why change one and not the other? Having owned or come into my fair share of Sony products over the years, there always seems to be a catch with those guys.

They seem to nail parts of hardware/design that benefit their marketing more than anything else, and then cripple it in other ways or vastly exaggerate the outcome to the point where what they're pumping to begin with becomes moot. There's actually a great term for it, called Marchitecture.  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marchitecture)

"Marchitecture (or Marketecture) is a portmanteau of the words marketing and architecture. The term is applied to any form of electronic architecture[clarification needed] perceived to have been produced purely for marketing reasons. It may be used by a vendor to place itself in such a way as to promote all their strongest abilities whilst simultaneously masking their weaknesses"

Reminds me of Simpsons with the Frogurt.

Shopkeeper: Take this object, but beware, it carries a terrible curse! 
Homer: Oohh, that's bad. 
S: But it comes with a free frogurt! 
H: That's good. 
S: The Frogurt is also cursed. 
H: That's Bad. 
S: But you get your choice of topping. 
H: That's good. 
S: The toppings contain potassium benzoate. 
H: ....... 
S: That's bad. 

[Javs]

Just now, Mr Diamond said:

Bizarre, why change one and not the other? Having owned or come into my fair share of Sony products over the years, there always seems to be a catch with those guys.

One is an internal and inherent limitation in the panel drivers and design topology and one is a simple board change.

 

Sony's have had posterization for years, it also has nothing to do with 10 bit sources too, it will do it in 8 bit just fine!

[Mr Diamond]

3 minutes ago, Javs said:

One is an internal and inherent limitation in the panel drivers and design topology and one is a simple board change.

 

Sony's have had posterization for years, it also has nothing to do with 10 bit sources too, it will do it in 8 bit just fine!

Ah fair enough. Whatever it is, it's an annoying compromise to have to "put up with" at that price point never the less. In my opinion of course!

[betty boop]

32 minutes ago, Mr Diamond said:

The tricky part with the SONY from when I looked into getting one 6 months ago (at least if looking at the current/last gen like the 360ES etc) is that you're still bottlenecked with other things like 10.2-13gbps HDMI ports, or the limited internal processing to only being done at 8bit (from memory) etc.

Aren’t they dropping the 360es? It didnt get updated. Thought I remember reading that to simplify lineup. The 270es 570 and 870es are their 2019 release.

 

Agree with Sony their models always had something missing 

[Javs]

39 minutes ago, Mr Diamond said:

Ah fair enough. Whatever it is, it's an annoying compromise to have to "put up with" at that price point never the less. In my opinion of course!

In fairness most people dont even notice it. But its there if you know where to look, even the 760ES.

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1 hour ago, oztheatre said:

Of course, I'll be doing flaming red hot deals on these

Look fwd to seeing these, although I don't think JVC will have a huge success with these new models until prices drop by a fair chunk.

 

Hopefully JVC can update their website to the XX900 models now the N series are nearly out.!

 

 

Anytime frame oztheatre when we are likely to see these red hot deals, and just missing a projector and one of your 2:37 screens to finish my HT

Edited October 2, 2018 by Terminate

[TP1]

 

Look at any projector critically and you will find issues. I found plenty (  more)  wrong with JVC  for my purposes.   Sony has improved its video processing on new models  as well as having full 18 gbs bandwidth.  Personally, I wouldn't make assumptions about the new models without seeing them in action  first hand.

Edited October 2, 2018 by Tasso

[franin]

Whats with the 18GBS what are the benefits ?

[Vollans]

5 minutes ago, franin said:

Whats with the 18GBS what are the benefits ?

It's needed for high frame rate (50/60FPS) 4K TV, especially sports. 

[franin]

For someone like me who doesn't watch tv or play games in the theatre room is it worth it ?

[Vollans]

It depends if high frame rate movies become "a thing" or not. So far there's only been one released. Or if Foxtel's 4K service later includes movies, but broadcasts them in 50/60FPS even though they were filmed in 24FPS (makes you think back to DVDs)

Edited October 2, 2018 by kitschcamp

[franin]

Sorry for the basic questions but what could be the benefit for a high frame rate movie vs what we have now?

[Vollans]

I don't think it's so much benefits as a different look. 24FPS films have been "it" since the early days of cinema, and even in the digital filming era people expect films to look like films, that is 24FPS. 

 

Filming films at 50 or 60 FPS makes them a lot smoother with less judder, some people really object to the judder of film, some people object to the lack of judder in films at a higher frame rate. Back in 2012 there was a right royal stink about The Hobbit, which was one of the first films filmed at a higher frame rate (see https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/12/the-hobbit-an-unexpected-masterclass-in-why-48-fps-fails/ ). 

 

At the end of the day it comes down to personal taste and expectations. 

[franin]

I don't think it's so much benefits as a different look. 24FPS films have been "it" since the early days of cinema, and even in the digital filming era people expect films to look like films, that is 24FPS. 
 
Filming films at 50 or 60 FPS makes them a lot smoother with less judder, some people really object to the judder of film, some people object to the lack of judder in films at a higher frame rate. Back in 2012 there was a right royal stink about The Hobbit, which was one of the first films filmed at a higher frame rate (see https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/12/the-hobbit-an-unexpected-masterclass-in-why-48-fps-fails/ ). 
 
At the end of the day it comes down to personal taste and expectations. 

Thank you

[Vollans]

It's also worth saying that once you know what you're looking for it can be a pain watching anything.

 

A friend of mine is a TV director. He gets very very wound up when he watches studio based TV programs that have been "filmed" as 1080p25 and then broadcast at 1080i50 deliberately to make them look "filmy", when they would look better being filmed in 1080i50 in the first place. That's the reverse of the high frame rate film problem.