Mr Diamond Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 Might be just me, however I feel like we might be spinning our tyres here... 2
Javs Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 Might be just me, however I feel like we might be spinning our tyres here... Indeed...
wooferocau Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 So "who" is planning on upgrading to one of the NEW series, and which model....
Kaynin Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 6 hours ago, Kaynin said: that's an issue... 1 hour ago, oztheatre said: why? It goes towards consumer confidence in the progress of the product, particularly if specs have been released. 1
TP1 Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) While we are in a hiatus period waiting for the new PJ's to come to Oz, I thought I'd ask if anyone had heard why JVC didn't release a new laser model below the Z1? The formula they chose for the N9 is much like what Sony previously did with their 1100ES to showcase some of their key technologies, and it appears that JVC are pushing outright resolution ( 8k) as the thing they want to showcase. The thing is, a laser light source is so much better than globes in a number of areas. For reasons i am still trying to understand , colours from laser seem purer and more vivid. Of course bulb projectors can measure just as well for the specific points being analysed but laser still does it better. Some guys on AVS have measured greater colour volume and consistency for laser over a range of light and gamma settings but its something you need to see to appreciate. To be clear, I don't think its a huge difference on its own but then there other things make it more compelling still, like picture stability. I didnt know what people were referring to when they mentioned lamp flicker from projectors because I didn't see anything that I could identify as unstable from the lamp based projectors previously. But the laser generated image does have this amazing look and stability about it which , combined with the colour rendition makes for a superior image IMO. Add to that that there will be no effective drop off in light over the period of expected ownership, almost instant start up and shutdown and i am wondering why the hell have the big companies made it so hard to have laser light sources in home theatre projectors. After all, they have been available for data projectors for a long time. Edited October 4, 2018 by Tasso 1
oztheatre Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Kaynin said: It goes towards consumer confidence in the progress of the product, particularly if specs have been released. Sure it does, but really, in a few months, maybe less, nobody is going to remember or care if it was at x or y trade show anyway.. let's just get passed this next period without any deaths . I don't know the percentage of people who'll end up with either an N5 or N7 who were literally at these shows and where upset at the time from not seeing it... And ended up doing what? not buying because they were upset and couldn't see any reviews? Just give it some time. This is a big change for JVC and I do understand the anxiety and questions people have too particularly when you consider where the N7 is placed in the range, it SHOULD have been there over the N5 to be quite frank, but what happened there we may never know. Not our business.. 2
wooferocau Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 53 minutes ago, Tasso said: I thought I'd ask if anyone had heard why JVC didn't release a new laser model below the Z1? Price!!! Would of pushed the price to WAYYYYY over $30K.
betty boop Posted October 4, 2018 Author Posted October 4, 2018 17 minutes ago, oztheatre said: Sure it does, but really, in a few months, maybe less, nobody is going to remember or care if it was at x or y trade show anyway.. let's just get passed this next period without any deaths . I don't know the percentage of people who'll end up with either an N5 or N7 who were literally at these shows and where upset at the time from not seeing it... And ended up doing what? not buying because they were upset and couldn't see any reviews? Just give it some time. This is a big change for JVC and I do understand the anxiety and questions people have too particularly when you consider where the N7 is placed in the range, it SHOULD have been there over the N5 to be quite frank, but what happened there we may never know. Not our business.. sure thing, like franin said it would be good if we had some reviews and such. but we dont. in mean time just have to be patient and sit on our thumbs 1
TP1 Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 1 hour ago, wooferocau said: Price!!! Would of pushed the price to WAYYYYY over $30K. I realise the Z1 lens would make the cost of a laser model prohibitive but I really would have thought that there would be a lot of takers with the revised standard lens and laser light engine. Perhaps next year
TP1 Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 1 hour ago, oztheatre said: Not our business.. Quite the contrary! JVC put it out there (on paper) and are inviting us to buy - it is 100% our business. 3
T800 Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 Lots of bickering on something that’s not released. They were only preproduction units, just like cars at a car show. Sure you can preorder without a test drive, or wait until they are actually released then try it. Do any of the dealers on here have the estimated street date and official price
Mr Diamond Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, T800 said: Lots of bickering on something that’s not released. They were only preproduction units, just like cars at a car show. Sure you can preorder without a test drive, or wait until they are actually released then try it. Do any of the dealers on here have the estimated street date and official price I believe both have been discussed a few times just a few pages prior. Estimated street date availability is end of the month, and then for pricing - not sure if "official" (but should be pretty much spot on) was posted earlier by @oztheatre Edited October 4, 2018 by Mr Diamond 1
cwt Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Tasso said: I realise the Z1 lens would make the cost of a laser model prohibitive but I really would have thought that there would be a lot of takers with the revised standard lens and laser light engine. Perhaps next year I would think the chances are good Tasso when you consider Epson have the LS10500with upgraded hdmi 2.0 and HDR capability for under 10k ; they do have the laser category with its advantages in a good light here lol I think its generally in ce's interest to encourage bulb projectors as the alternative is longer ownership with lasers.. Edited October 4, 2018 by cwt 1
betty boop Posted October 4, 2018 Author Posted October 4, 2018 8 hours ago, cwt said: I would think the chances are good Tasso when you consider Epson have the LS10500with upgraded hdmi 2.0 and HDR capability for under 10k ; they do have the laser category with its advantages in a good light here lol I think its generally in ce's interest to encourage bulb projectors as the alternative is longer ownership with lasers.. Yeah I don’t know what’s up with Epson ! Would have thought they’d have an update on their laser unit out by now. Would be good alternative under $10k. Though given way all pricing is going wouldn’t be surprised if that too went north of $10k. Ces is 3 months away. Never know Epson might still be keeping that ace up their sleeve for 2019 2
oztheatre Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 11 hours ago, Tasso said: Quite the contrary! JVC put it out there (on paper) and are inviting us to buy - it is 100% our business. Yes in theory consumers keep any business alive, but in reality, you can't make JVC do anything.. hence.. not your business, their business.. and I'm sure they'll sort it out in time. JVC might have put specs on paper but did they promise they'd have it at x or y trade shows?
oztheatre Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 29 minutes ago, al said: Yeah I don’t know what’s up with Epson ! Would have thought they’d have an update on their laser unit out by now. Would be good alternative under $10k. Though given way all pricing is going wouldn’t be surprised if that too went north of $10k. Ces is 3 months away. Never know Epson might still be keeping that ace up their sleeve for 2019 I think we might get a nice surpise, they've sorted out the laser part, now they just need the 4K panels to go with it. 2
DoggieHowser Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 3 hours ago, oztheatre said: I think we might get a nice surpise, they've sorted out the laser part, now they just need the 4K panels to go with it. Isn't the NX9 about @25k now. I don't see a cheaper laser model slotting between that and the Z1 at $38k. It would more likely be a replacement to the Z1. Z2?
oztheatre Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 37 minutes ago, DoggieHowser said: Isn't the NX9 about @25k now. I don't see a cheaper laser model slotting between that and the Z1 at $38k. It would more likely be a replacement to the Z1. Z2? Yes correct, but I was refering to what Epson might be doing not JVC. The NX9 is about optics and the 8K E-shift. Epson could do sub 20K laser 4K model if they chose to, let's see what happens.
TP1 Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 4 hours ago, DoggieHowser said: sn't the NX9 about @25k now. I don't see a cheaper laser model slotting between that and the Z1 at $38k. It would more likely be a replacement to the Z1. Z2? I was thinking that they could do it for $20k or less if they didn't go down the path of 8K E-shift and Z1 lens. Given the NX9 pricing however, I think @oztheatre maybe right, it will probably take Epson to blaze the trail for more affordable native 4k laser projectors. They do have native 4k panels now, just a matter of time before they hit the home cinema models.
Michael391 Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 German vid for anyone that interested in seeing the menu's on a N5......... Just use the youtube translator to see what they are talking about. Apologies if it's already been put up. 2
oztheatre Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 Good find. Looks like there's some sort of optical adjustment feature.. I wonder what that entails. And I'm quite sure he swore a few times there 2
wooferocau Posted October 6, 2018 Posted October 6, 2018 For those seeing the N5 as a "lowly Choice !!!" Translated... The n5 is like an x7500 but then with 4k function. Thats the best way to bescribe i quess. Maybe a little less black level but hardly to see. Might want to reconsider views on just where the N5 sits in relation to the E-Shift models of past. I know a couple of VERY respected people who actually viewed the N5 were "floored!" by the image it put out ! 2
k3nnis888 Posted October 6, 2018 Posted October 6, 2018 1 hour ago, wooferocau said: For those seeing the N5 as a "lowly Choice !!!" Translated... The n5 is like an x7500 but then with 4k function. Thats the best way to bescribe i quess. Maybe a little less black level but hardly to see. Might want to reconsider views on just where the N5 sits in relation to the E-Shift models of past. I know a couple of VERY respected people who actually viewed the N5 were "floored!" by the image it put out ! Interesting.... need to see it to see if I should go for that or x7900
Mr Diamond Posted October 6, 2018 Posted October 6, 2018 1 hour ago, wooferocau said: For those seeing the N5 as a "lowly Choice !!!" Translated... The n5 is like an x7500 but then with 4k function. Thats the best way to bescribe i quess. Maybe a little less black level but hardly to see. Might want to reconsider views on just where the N5 sits in relation to the E-Shift models of past. I know a couple of VERY respected people who actually viewed the N5 were "floored!" by the image it put out ! Definitely good news for those interested in the N5 or who were worried that N7 would be out of budget. Although playing devil's advocate, but the N5 kind of HAS to sit at that level for the price they're asking...
betty boop Posted October 6, 2018 Author Posted October 6, 2018 2 hours ago, wooferocau said: For those seeing the N5 as a "lowly Choice !!!" Translated... The n5 is like an x7500 but then with 4k function. Thats the best way to bescribe i quess. Maybe a little less black level but hardly to see. Might want to reconsider views on just where the N5 sits in relation to the E-Shift models of past. I know a couple of VERY respected people who actually viewed the N5 were "floored!" by the image it put out ! hmmm... I am sure the n5 is a pretty nice machine, but .. no dual iris, considerable drop in contrast, output and no p3 filter on the n5 vs the x7000 series which has all that, and it’s not like they are saying this with comparing a n5 vs x7000 side by side to make such a statement ? the n5 probably compares in price... Not sure otherwise, but more than happy for it to be shown otherwise in direct comparisons 2
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