2019 - 2020 projector releases ?

[TerryO]

al, don't get me wrong, I for one actually hope my predictions on the picture quality improvements of especially the new N5 and the N7 are some what incorrect and the run out models are still seen as an offordable alternative, especially given I have just ordered a run out X9900.

But if the new models aren't a big step up that I am expecting then that would be a little disappointing as well.

 

cheers Terry

Edited November 9, 2018 by TerryO

[betty boop]

25 minutes ago, TerryO said:

al, don't get me wrong, I for one actually hope my predictions on the picture quality improvements of especially the new N5 and the N7 are some what incorrect and the run out models are still seen as an offordable alternative, especially given I have just ordered a run out X9900.

But if the new models aren't a big step up that I am expecting then that would be a little disappointing as well.

 

cheers Terry

Suspect case of get what pay for, after all projected retail (not that jvc Australia got act together to say what it actually is) is some twice for n7 than what 9900 is running out on. If nothing else I think makes the runout an incredible bargain 

 

I think like jvc said in their own official what was it 2 steps back for one step forward. Still I think commendable what achieving for contrast still with new series.

 

i have no doubt as you say be better on some and not so ahead in others.

 

i sit here watching thinking gee how can it get any better than what am viewing with what have...  but then I thought that with older projector before.

 

but yeah will have to pay price fir entry which is not insignificant a step up from what have at present !

[poppybob]

the ivc lamps are worth $599 full price (which you wouldn't pay) get 4500 hours from them which should be easy given people reporting 3000 hours and such without much drop off. so for 20000 hours looking at lets say 5 lamps or $3k price full rrp ? which am sure is cheaper than replacing a laser lamp that likely won't be user replaceable? . 
 
lamps are a small cost over how long ? I've not even managed 1000 hours in 3 years ! which even it self is equivalent to one movie every night of the year ! not everyone even does that ? even if you watched 2 movies every night say 2000 every 3 years those lamps going to take you through 30 years ! lets say you only get half the life out of lamps or watch twice as much or want to change out early...still getting 15 years ? that is a heck of a log time ! 
 
 Idont personally get the bulb replacement hang up I see some have. I'm on my 4th projector and never replaced lamps ! projector tech seems to progress at a far faster pace than lamp ageing meaning projector replacement before lamps ... for me [emoji3] 
 
be other reasons consider laser eg smoother image (no lamp flicker) bother for some, not a both for me. and similarly i would suggest get a bit more out of laser before re calibration. though if can autocal that isn't such a big deal either [emoji4] for a quick touch up now and then ... 

Have to agree Al. Must admit changes on these is certainly easier than the old days with several CRT projectors I’ve owned.

[poppybob]

Have to agree Al. Must admit changes on these is certainly easier than the old days with several CRT projectors I’ve owned.

Just back home from viewing the 760 at WCH[emoji848] not sure if it was the 140” screen or ( mine only 120”) or just not that well set but very disappointing. Just cranked up the x9900 , which is due to be calibrated next week, and was looking undeniably better??

[betty boop]

47 minutes ago, poppybob said:

Have to agree Al. Must admit changes on these is certainly easier than the old days with several CRT projectors I’ve owned.

no idea PB and likely never find out ....if continue on rate I am with hours on my unit will be 13.5 years ! before need to change the lamp out.... am sure will be changing out the projector long long before hand  at least one thing we know the lamp in current units continue in the new series and have been pretty solid

 

47 minutes ago, poppybob said:

Just back home from viewing the 760 at WCH not sure if it was the 140” screen or ( mine only 120”) or just not that well set but very disappointing. Just cranked up the x9900 , which is due to be calibrated next week, and was looking undeniably better??

in what ways... keeping in mind sounds like neither unit are calibrated so might come down to setup on either ? good to hear your unit is being calibrated. you woudl hope WCH woudl setup and calibrate their unit... given amount of dollars goes for to show in the "best light" but not something id assume....

[Michael391]

A few links o the Epson 9400 thats coming.......looks interesting. Shall see where they price these.

 

https://www.avforums.com/threads/epson-tw9400-7400.2186048/page-5#post-26648021

 

https://www.avforums.com/threads/epson-tw9400-7400.2186048/page-5#post-26648022

Edited November 11, 2018 by Michael391

[PerryV]

Does anyone have any expected dates and prices for the epson 9400. I’ve been debating between this model and jvc 7700 model. Just depends on price differences. The only down side with the JVC is the lamp replacment costs $500 v $150 for the epson.

[Michael391]

Does anyone have any expected dates and prices for the epson 9400. I’ve been debating between this model and jvc 7700 model. Just depends on price differences. The only down side with the JVC is the lamp replacment costs $500 v $150 for the epson.

That’s exactly what I’m thinking that’s putting me off the jvc. Plus the gamma droop thing has me scratching my head. I wouldn’t have a clue how to fix that.
The only site I see that has it coming soon is digital cinema, but no prices or dates yet.
Hoping before Christmas.........

[betty boop]

soem comparative coments n5 vs sony 570es from jbarteli in belgium...

 

"Saw the NX9 today .....wow.....

Also saw the N5 next to the Sony VW570, the N5 is imho the better unit. More light, sharper and more depth. Only the motion was better on the Sony."

 

"No motion looked really good on the NX9, it was a batcave with some light coming in from the curtens entrance. 

There wasn't much difference in contrast with the sony but the picture of the N5 was more dynamic.

What stood out on the NX9 was the amount of licht, the colors and sharpness.....the whole package."

 

this was apparently with dynamic iris off on both projectors...

 

 

[Davo1972]

4 minutes ago, al said:

soem comparative coments n5 vs sony 570es from jbarteli in belgium...

 

"Saw the NX9 today .....wow.....

Also saw the N5 next to the Sony VW570, the N5 is imho the better unit. More light, sharper and more depth. Only the motion was better on the Sony."

 

"No motion looked really good on the NX9, it was a batcave with some light coming in from the curtens entrance. 

There wasn't much difference in contrast with the sony but the picture of the N5 was more dynamic.

What stood out on the NX9 was the amount of licht, the colors and sharpness.....the whole package."

 

this was apparently with dynamic iris off on both projectors...

 

 

Augurs well for the new models, but I'm getting tired of the delay on release of official Australian prices and shipping dates for them. JVC Australia needs to pick up their game... No wonder Javs is cracking it and modifying his Audi RS3 (nice car by the way ) instead of getting a new DLA-N7....

[Spizz]

Agreed.  Want some review units out there so we can get some proper, indepth NX7 run downs.

[betty boop]

Saw this note from westmd 

 

“If my budget would have been limited to the N7 I would have kept my X7000 (or at least would have done a comparison first). As I wrote before the N5 was shown vs the X7900 and the X7900 had clearly the better performance. I only did the upgrade because my funds allowed me to buy the NX9. In your case I would definitely look at the N7 first before buying!”

 

so so asked if had seen these first hand to compare to which got the response below ...

 

“No I wasn’t there but it was the statement of two dealers I talked to independanty. Main issues were black level and contrast both said. In a way it is a bit unfair as the N5 is the 5 series whilst the X7900 is the 7 series. Nevertheless from a current price point you can compare them again so you should judge what you get for your money at this point in time.”

 

interesting their perspective, as as he says the n5 is still only a 5 series ... it’s just price putting it up there ...

 

[poppybob]

Saw this note from westmd 
 
“If my budget would have been limited to the N7 I would have kept my X7000 (or at least would have done a comparison first). As I wrote before the N5 was shown vs the X7900 and the X7900 had clearly the better performance. I only did the upgrade because my funds allowed me to buy the NX9. In your case I would definitely look at the N7 first before buying!”
 
so so asked if had seen these first hand to compare to which got the response below ...
 
“No I wasn’t there but it was the statement of two dealers I talked to independanty. Main issues were black level and contrast both said. In a way it is a bit unfair as the N5 is the 5 series whilst the X7900 is the 7 series. Nevertheless from a current price point you can compare them again so you should judge what you get for your money at this point in time.”
 
interesting their perspective, as as he says the n5 is still only a 5 series ... it’s just price putting it up there ...
 

This has been playing on my mind as well. They have been showing the top model everywhere but not much mention of N5&7. I think you guys out there with 7 and 9 eshift pj should hang in there a bit.

[poppybob]

This has been playing on my mind as well. They have been showing the top model everywhere but not much mention of N5&7. I think you guys out there with 7 and 9 eshift pj should hang in there a bit.

I’m certainly going to hang onto my x9900.

[betty boop]

6 hours ago, poppybob said:

 

This has been playing on my mind as well. They have been showing the top model everywhere but not much mention of N5&7. I think you guys out there with 7 and 9 eshift pj should hang in there a bit.

 

 

What playing on my in’s,  x7000 sure throws a nice picture so not something just readily to  turn over...

6 hours ago, poppybob said:

 

I’m certainly going to hang onto my x9900.

 

I would suggest it is going to be a last of breed....when even the n9 doesn’t achieve the contrast levels of even my x7000 let alone the x9900 which kind of puts in perspective ....

[cwt]

1 hour ago, al said:

I would suggest it is going to be a last of breed....when even the n9 doesn’t achieve the contrast levels of even my x7000 let alone the x9900 which kind of puts in perspective ....

Easy to see why JVC  persisted with e-shift for so long Al ; costs a penny in R&D to recoup for that 4k stamp of approval 

The number of people saying they prefer true 4k wore them down possibly 

Edited November 14, 2018 by cwt

[Owen]

11 hours ago, poppybob said:

I think you guys out there with 7 and 9 eshift pj should hang in there a bit.

I am planning to, for at lease another year if not more in the hope that JVC or some other manufacturer will come up with a 4K projector with significantly better contrast, at least on par with the best E-Shift JVC's and preferably better..

I can't understand why people are so worked up about these new models, giving up contrast to get more pixels is a poor trade IMHO and I'm not interested.

 

2 hours ago, cwt said:

The number of people saying they prefer true 4k wore them down possibly 

The power of marketing is very strong unfortunately and gets in the way of common sense.

The camera industry went through the more pixels is better obsession, again driven by marketing. Adding extra pixels was relatively cheap and didn't require significant physical redesign or tooling changes, just a new sensor and some electronics.

Thankfully it was realised by professionals and smart consumers that more pixels sacrificed dynamic range which was more important than "resolution" in almost all situations. That hasn't stopped consumers demanding more and more pixels each year and manufactures are happy to oblige as it gives them something new and "better" to sell.

 

Now that 4K is yesterdays news in the TV world the push is for 8K. Now 4K is totally over the top for TV size screens and 8K is just farcical, but that wont stop it happening even when there are no plans for 8K content. Manufactures need to find ways of getting consumers to buy new product whether its useful or not. Just baffle them with BS marketing and convince them it is, job done.

 

Its easy to see that JVC is marketing driven at the moment with silly additions like 8K E-Shift, and thats probably a good business move as Sony have been playing that game for years and its works. They touting the benefits of "true" 4K while making so called "true" 4K projectors that can't resolve 4K at all, even their top of the range flagship. Just market the hell out of 4K and put 4k on the spec sheet and its all good, the consumer will never know the difference, and they didn't.

 

The average consumer doesn't understand that pixels are not resolution, they assume they 4K means 4K actual visible resolution because thats what marketing has led them to believe. Its deceptive marketing IMHO and should be outlawed.

 

Edited November 15, 2018 by Owen

[TerryO]

Our new X9900 arrived today, (thank you Richard), its still in the box for now until I get it installed.

 

All this talk of the new N series possibly not being up to the PQ levels of the run out X series projectors still doesn't make any sense to me even if someone on another forum says it is so.

No one ever likes to think they own yesterday's technology but I purchased the 9900 knowing it was and again I expect that the N model will kick our new projectors arse and will be disappointed if it doesn't. 

 

Having said that if the 9900 holds its own against the N7 I will be more than a little happy.

 

cheers Terry

Edited November 15, 2018 by TerryO

[betty boop]

4 minutes ago, TerryO said:

All this talk of the new N series possibly not being up to the PQ levels of the run out X series projectors still doesn't make any sense to me even if someone on another forum says it is so.

if jvc au presented the opportunity to show just how much better the n series was vs existing ... we wouldnt all be wondering 

 

but for whatever reason they seem to be kept under wraps...

 

6 minutes ago, TerryO said:

Having said that if the 9900 holds its own against the N7 I will be more than a little happy.

regardless of any n7 or anything else, I am sure you WILL be very happy ! congrats  

[poppybob]

regardless of any n7 or anything else, I am sure you WILL be very happy ! congrats [emoji4] 

I’m sure you will Terry. Had mine calibrated today by Andrew Poole in the West. Fantastic job looks a treat.

[T800]

57 minutes ago, TerryO said:

Our new X9900 arrived today, (thank you Richard), its still in the box for now until I get it installed.

 

All this talk of the new N series possibly not being up to the PQ levels of the run out X series projectors still doesn't make any sense to me even if someone on another forum says it is so.

No one ever likes to think they own yesterday's technology but I purchased the 9900 knowing it was and again I expect that the N model will kick our new projectors arse and will be disappointed if it doesn't. 

 

Having said that if the 9900 holds its own against the N7 I will be more than a little happy.

 

cheers Terry

I’m in the same boat, couldn’t hold off any longer and pulled the pin on a 7900 as was looking at the N5 but can’t justify $9000 on it when I got the 7900 for $5150, so was a no brainer. The size of the 7900 and the lens cover were also a big factor.

 

once I work out what screen size I can fit, I’ll be getting one of Rich’s 2:37 screens as my last 1:85 screen from him was amazing.

[Michael391]

Review...... not sure if old or new.

http://www.projectorjunkies.com/jvc-dla-nx9-review-2/

[muriwai]

Wow great write up
Those that can afford a N 9 are going to be in for a treat for xmas!!

[betty boop]

indeed ! sounds like an AWESOME thing... not that can afford it

 

getting back to earth... I note the 3 year warranty overseas has been extended....

 

 It is 3 years, but it is much more.

"advanced Exchange"  

If there’s a problem, JVC will to verify it. 
Once they verify, JVC gets the customer care team involved and they get a credit card number from the end user.  
A replacement projector is shipped along with a call tag to send the old one back.
As soon as JVC receives the old one, they delete the credit card info (nothing is charged) ."

 

I wonder along with the canadians getting a free bonus lamp whether the local offer will include such things to help soften the blow of the price hike even if taking the edge off it slightly

 

ps I also read the nx7 in canada also gets a 5 year ! warranty gosh... I do hope we get something similar....

[Vollans]

It's worth checking out your credit card complimentary insurance, if you have a gold or platinum card. My Westpac card extends a 3 year warranty to 5 years with "fix or replacement cost" for years 4 & 5.