2019 - 2020 projector releases ?

[Davo1972]

5 hours ago, Owen said:

I'll try and keep this brief. Over 40 years in AV gear and 18 years calibrating projectors.

Any mug can "test" a projector, its a simple as turning it on, sitting down and watching it. The skill is interpreting what you see and understanding the issues that affect what you see and why you see it, that requires a clear understanding of complex subjects that are behind the limitations inherent in image capture and display.

 

If you want any more info PM me, I will give you some subjects to study and some practical tasks to perform to start you on your leaning journey.

Thanks for that, always good to know on a forum who I can ask about stuff  

[TerryO]

20 hours ago, Owen said:

I'll try and keep this brief. Over 40 years in AV gear and 18 years calibrating projectors.

Any mug can "test" a projector, its a simple as turning it on, sitting down and watching it. The skill is interpreting what you see and understanding the issues that affect what you see and why you see it, that requires a clear understanding of complex subjects that are behind the limitations inherent in image capture and display.

 

If you want any more info PM me, I will give you some subjects to study and some practical tasks to perform to start you on your leaning journey.

A question Owen, is that 40 years in AV gear and 18 years calibrating projectors experience you have as a professional who makes a living out of the industry or as an enthusiast?

 

Experience is important for either a professional or a enthusiast but not always. No reflection on you but from my personal experience as a person who makes a living from Motorsport I know plenty of very opinionated people who have driven/raced cars and or ridden /raced motorcycles for decades who couldn't even drive or ride out of sight on a dark night without crashing. Surprisingly and often sadly they are usually the ones who give everyone else around them the most advice on anything and everything.

 

cheers Terry

 

 

Edited December 13, 2018 by TerryO

[betty boop]

Joe rods review of the 870es

 

http://hstrial-jrodriguez996.homestead.com/SONY-VPL-VW995ES-4K-HDR10-projector.html?_=1544678181106

 

looks like a sensational projector for those that can afford one(not me) 

[Owen]

6 hours ago, TerryO said:

A question Owen, is that 40 years in AV gear and 18 years calibrating projectors experience you have as a professional who makes a living out of the industry or as an enthusiast?

No probs mate. I wisely choose many years ago not to go into AV professionally as its not a game that pays well enough to be worth my while, and if you do something day to day the joy goes out of it and it just becomes work.

If one does something professionally (for remuneration) time is money and the imperative is to do a "good enough" job for the client given the time available and quoted price then move on to the next job as quickly as possible. If you don't do that you wont be in business long.

An "enthusiast" (thats me) is not on the clock and can take as much time as required to do the job properly, often using techniques and systems that are not viable comercially. I can also spend the time to do a heap of research and then evaluate the accuracy and validity of that research by practical experiment rather then just take what I read as fact, many more people should do that IMHO as it would expose a HEAP of misconceptions.

The more knowledgeable and experienced I have become over the years the more obvious it is to me that many so called "professionals" don't know their stuff, they know enough to get by but the details elude them. I am particularly annoyed by many, if not most, "professional" reviewers of AV gear who post on the net and have long given everything they say with a bucket of salt and ALWAYS read between the lines. Now this is quite easy to do if you know your stuff but the average consumer has little chance and typically they read into things what they want to read as they don't know any better and have been programmed by marketing.

 

[TerryO]

2 hours ago, Owen said:

No probs mate. I wisely choose many years ago not to go into AV professionally as its not a game that pays well enough to be worth my while, and if you do something day to day the joy goes out of it and it just becomes work.

If one does something professionally (for remuneration) time is money and the imperative is to do a "good enough" job for the client given the time available and quoted price then move on to the next job as quickly as possible. If you don't do that you wont be in business long.

An "enthusiast" (thats me) is not on the clock and can take as much time as required to do the job properly, often using techniques and systems that are not viable comercially. I can also spend the time to do a heap of research and then evaluate the accuracy and validity of that research by practical experiment rather then just take what I read as fact, many more people should do that IMHO as it would expose a HEAP of misconceptions.

The more knowledgeable and experienced I have become over the years the more obvious it is to me that many so called "professionals" don't know their stuff, they know enough to get by but the details elude them. I am particularly annoyed by many, if not most, "professional" reviewers of AV gear who post on the net and have long given everything they say with a bucket of salt and ALWAYS read between the lines. Now this is quite easy to do if you know your stuff but the average consumer has little chance and typically they read into things what they want to read as they don't know any better and have been programmed by marketing.

 

I can't argue with your logic Owen, I used to ride sports motorcycles up the old Gosford Highway north of Sydney every Sunday for years back in the mid 80's until I eventually had enough of watching guys I was riding against or with crash and die, which tragically happened often, so I went racing instead.

 

Long story short but that lead to me eventually becoming a category and series promoter and owner.

That meant my up until then life long hobby and passion of my life more than anything else (apart from sex) in the world became my business.

 

Within five years I had stopped riding bikes and now can't stand even watching my own race series when it's on TV.

 

My advice to anyone I know who tells me they want to do like I did and turn their hobby into their income source is, if it's something your very passionate about and want to remain so then don't.

 

Anyway back to discussing projectors ... 

 

cheers Terry

Edited December 14, 2018 by TerryO

[Javs]

17 hours ago, betty boop said:

Joe rods review of the 870es

 

http://hstrial-jrodriguez996.homestead.com/SONY-VPL-VW995ES-4K-HDR10-projector.html?_=1544678181106

 

looks like a sensational projector for those that can afford one(not me) 

Not worth a damn to bother reading. Joerod is a HUGE Sony fanboy, he would never 'fairly' critique a Sony other than to say its the greatest thing he has ever seen. Which, surprise surprise, is what he says in the 'review'. his extreme bias is incredibly known on AVS.

 

Ekki can formulate much more informative feedback which is actually worth something, even though he himself is quite bias these days too.

 

[betty boop]

2 minutes ago, Javs said:

Not worth a damn to bother reading. Joerod is a HUGE Sony fanboy, he would never 'fairly' critique a Sony other than to say its the greatest thing he has ever seen. Which, surprise surprise, is what he says in the 'review'. his extreme bias is incredibly known on AVS.

 

Ekki can formulate much more informative feedback which is actually worth something, even though he himself is quite bias these days too.

 

Yes unfortunately just have to factor in the read, I still imagine the 870es is a pretty decent thing though ! Finally the 1100es that’s up to date. I do wonder when the 770es will lob. Probably the one gain most interest. You’d hope jvc has a compact laser using n5/7 optics to match it by then. !

[betty boop]

anyone get around to see the new sony's in action, am pretty sure they had them around the country with the 870ES 570es and 270Es. while these public viewings are often a bit controlled in what can see, am sure still got some appreciation. 

 

anyone care to share their thoughts ? I didnt get around to seeing any of them unfortunately with a busy time of the year and with both work and family commitments. 

[Spizz]

Totally forgot about it

[TP1]

On 15/12/2018 at 6:07 AM, Javs said:

Not worth a damn to bother reading. Joerod is a HUGE Sony fanboy, he would never 'fairly' critique a Sony other than to say its the greatest thing he has ever seen. Which, surprise surprise, is what he says in the 'review'.

 

The same can be said for JVC dealers and Fanboys 

[betty boop]

1 hour ago, Spizz said:

Totally forgot about it

oh what a pity spizz I think some are on a road show so not sure where they end up, but am sure some will be resident models at some dealerships eventually. so hopefully those wanting to see get the opportunity regardless

[betty boop]

Courtesy of mike Garett on avs

 

”some light end of tunnel”

 

hopefully it’s a jvc projector coming our way

[EZYHD]

New short throw LG PJ release at CES here, should be interesting, not good for the long cable business).

 

 

[Davo1972]

1 hour ago, betty boop said:

Courtesy of mike Garett on avs

 

”some light end of tunnel”

 

hopefully it’s a jvc projector coming our way

 

Excellent news! I hope JVC Australia can pull off a late January or early February first shipment. Fingers crossed!  

[Davo1972]

13 minutes ago, EZYHD said:

New short throw LG PJ release at CES here, should be interesting, not good for the long cable business).

 

 

Just the thing to play mobile phone games, projected directly onto a wall!  I'll take two! 

 

But seriously I've always wondered about the compromises in the optics of these ultra short throw projectors which might cause image distortion. To me they're pretty expensive for what they are (I figure the cost is mostly in the complex optics of them) and are only useful in situations that preclude having a normal throw projector (small room with not enough depth to throw a decent size image from a normal throw PJ, rented house, wife aggro re: obtrusive HT gear etc.).

 

I think the HDMI long cable business is safe for the moment!  

[EZYHD]

Davo, me thinks mostly for those that have little idea about PJ's and what they can provide, but not having seen one of the new breeds its hard to judge and as you say will have a use in some situations.

[Quark]

All these very short throw projectors have great gobs of chromatic aberration. All good if you like big purple fringes...

[Owen]

And since almost all of them use DLP imaging systems they have poor contrast and black level.

The upward facing orientation also directs a disproportionate amount of reflected light up at the ceiling which degrades ANSI contrast if the ceiling is not black.

 

UST projection systems are highly compromised and not suitable for high quality applications. 

[betty boop]

according to purple X on avs,

 

"JVC Japan has officially announced availability for end of January (Japan market)"

 

We should be in similar time frame I imagine for local release ? 

 

 

[betty boop]

and someone in the us is claiming they are getting initial shipments next week  

 

"GREAT NEWS! I just got word from JVC that the new NX units are expected to arrive by JVC early next week.

"Great news on the production of the DLANX7 and DLANX9. We are expecting our first imports and initial quantities to arrive early next week! They will go through QC testing and then will be available for shipment. The initial imports quantities are small to start, but we are expecting additional units to follow (no set ETA yet). I will keep you updated!"

We've got a couple units allocated to us on that initial shipment; not nearly enough to meet all pre-orders but it's a good start."

[Davo1972]

12 hours ago, betty boop said:

according to purple X on avs,

 

"JVC Japan has officially announced availability for end of January (Japan market)"

 

We should be in similar time frame I imagine for local release ? 

 

 

 

12 hours ago, betty boop said:

and someone in the us is claiming they are getting initial shipments next week  

 

"GREAT NEWS! I just got word from JVC that the new NX units are expected to arrive by JVC early next week.

"Great news on the production of the DLANX7 and DLANX9. We are expecting our first imports and initial quantities to arrive early next week! They will go through QC testing and then will be available for shipment. The initial imports quantities are small to start, but we are expecting additional units to follow (no set ETA yet). I will keep you updated!"

We've got a couple units allocated to us on that initial shipment; not nearly enough to meet all pre-orders but it's a good start."

So (possibly) anytime in the next 1-4 weeks?!? Crossing fingers... 

 

I'm first on the list for a DLA-N7 at my dealer (I'll get my N7 before they get the shop N7 ). Here's hoping I get mine next month!

[wooferocau]

On 28/12/2018 at 12:22 PM, Davo1972 said:

 

So (possibly) anytime in the next 1-4 weeks?!? Crossing fingers... 

 

I'm first on the list for a DLA-N7 at my dealer (I'll get my N7 before they get the shop N7 ). Here's hoping I get mine next month!

Cant wait to hear your opinion..  

[Davo1972]

Happy to post up my thoughts once I get it! I've been very grateful for your opinions on the DLA-NX9 Woofer! It's been good to read some initial thoughts on the new line of native 4K lamp based JVCs (albeit the flagship lamp based model!!). Admittedly I'm likely to be very happy with it no matter what, given all I can compare it to is my 12 year old Sharp DLP projector lol   

 

I won't be doing any in-depth testing though 

Edited December 30, 2018 by Davo1972

[wooferocau]

2 hours ago, Davo1972 said:

Happy to post up my thoughts once I get it! I've been very grateful for your opinions on the DLA-NX9 Woofer! It's been good to read some initial thoughts on the new line of native 4K lamp based JVCs (albeit the flagship lamp based model!!). Admittedly I'm likely to be very happy with it no matter what, given all I can compare it to is my 12 year old Sharp DLP projector lol   

 

I won't be doing any in-depth testing though 

I'll lay money on it that you will be "Blown Away" by the N7,s image.. 

[poppybob]

I'll lay money on it that you will be "Blown Away" by the N7,s image.. [emoji5]

I’ll second that. Won’t be able to get you out of your seat I reckon.
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