davewantsmoore Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 On 15/10/2019 at 1:23 PM, betty boop said: Telstra Sorry, my "gripes" are to Telstra .... not to you (it may seem that way as you are the "quoted")
davewantsmoore Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 On 15/10/2019 at 1:35 PM, Snoopy8 said: BIG call. He forgot to mention that Telstra could then continue its practice of gouging its customers. Telstra offered to build the NBN (for "free") for many many years before Rudd decided the government would do it. Telstra's list of demands were: They would not share the infrastructure with anyone, making Telstra effectively the "only ISP in the country" They would build it where they wanted, when they wanted, and provide whatever speeds they wanted wherever they wanted They would not be regulated on any sort of "standards of service" It's all well and good.... but that means you never get to decide how fast the internet should be or how much it should cost. You might end up ahead of the curve for a decade .... and then spend the next 3 decades paying double the price, for one-third of the service compared to the rest of the world.
davewantsmoore Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) On 15/10/2019 at 6:39 PM, wikeeboy said: Just received comms from Telstra that NBN is ready in my area. Pretty upset as it means i'll need to give up the cable internet i've been using for years. Currently i pay $89 per month for unlimited cable internet, speeds over 100+mbps and rock solid reliable. I now have the option of taking up the NBN @ 40mbps for the same price. Sounds like a great deal Unlimited data 100mbps NBN plans are between $75 and $100 per month for most providers. Your cable internet upload speed (1mbs? 5mbps?) gets upgraded to 40mbps, which makes a lot of difference depending on what you're doing. The upload channel (which is what costs ISP the $$$$) is being made anything up to 20x faster .... so .... actually, it IS a "great deal".... so not surprising that your current cable provider wants to charge you more (becuase you'll be getting significantly more service). Edited October 23, 2019 by davewantsmoore
Batty Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, davewantsmoore said: Telstra's list of demands were: They would not share the infrastructure with anyone, making Telstra effectively the "only ISP in the country" They would build it where they wanted, when they wanted, and provide whatever speeds they wanted wherever they wanted They would not be regulated on any sort of "standards of service" That would not have gone well for the paying public. 1
davewantsmoore Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Batty said: That would not have gone well for the paying public. It could have resulted in faster services sooner for many people .... but they're not doing it because they're a "charity"
davewantsmoore Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 On 15/10/2019 at 9:59 PM, proftournesol said: I'm on the same deal as @Batty. I get up to 125Mbps, almost never below 80Mbps If speeds > 100mbps are really important to people, you should have to wait too long if you are on FTTC or HFC connections to the NBN. FTTP people have had >> 100mbps available since forever, depending on your choice of ISP (if they ISP wants to offer it).
davewantsmoore Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) On 21/10/2019 at 1:07 PM, Tweaky said: I'm not sure of the TECH behind it though FTTB FTTN and FTTC are all just faster forms of ADSL. What they do is they move the DSL equipment from the telephone exchange where it is for ADSL (anywhere up to 6km from your house) .... to somewhere closer. Basement, Node, Curb, etc. They run fibre to the X ... and then they run "VDSL" (faster ADSL) from X to you. Quote it's been blamed on TPG over subscribing the lines In your FTTB situation, TPG owns everything. If it's not working well, you can go to another "ISP".... but that ISP are just reselling the same TPG owned internet service to you. In the "real" NBN .... NBNCo make sure nothing is oversubscribed and congested .... so any issues are the ISP fault. So moving ISPs, can actually fix any underlying issues. Edited October 23, 2019 by davewantsmoore 1
Wimbo Posted November 11, 2019 Author Posted November 11, 2019 Just recently found a short in the house wiring, which took the system out. Got an NBN tech over and he located the problem to above. Damn. Rewiring the house. Tech says, "go get a WiFi router and a couple of Dongles from JB HiFi. That will help in the meantime. Went to JB, guy there says "Buy the NetGear Nighthawk Router and a couple of NightHawk dongles.You will only get half the speed you had though." Ok, I thought. I'll give it a go, At least I have something to fall back on. Both computers are around 20 meters from the Nighthawk. So, NBN modem into the Nighthawk, then to two Nighthawk Dongles. End result is 5G with speeds at 95/37 odd, both comps. Hmmmm, will I ever need cables again 1
Guest Posted November 11, 2019 Posted November 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, Wimbo said: two Nighthawk Dongles. Not sure what you are referring to? Are these usb adaptors to the PC?
Wimbo Posted November 11, 2019 Author Posted November 11, 2019 31 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said: Not sure what you are referring to? Are these usb adaptors to the PC? Yes mate. Also NetGear. Around $125 each. The Router was around $250. I couldnt believe it when we did the Speed tests.
Art Vandelay Posted November 14, 2019 Posted November 14, 2019 On 15/10/2019 at 1:23 PM, betty boop said: https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/australians-would-have-faster-cheaper-internet-had-nbn-not-been-built-telstra-chairman-20191015-p530pa.html Australians would have faster, cheaper internet had NBN not been built: Telstra chairman Telstra chairman John Mullen has claimed all Australians would have access to high-speed internet at a "fraction of the cost" if the government had not proceeded with the $50 billion National Broadband Network project. Mr Mullen admitted to shareholders at Telstra's annual general meeting on Tuesday morning that the country's biggest telecommunications company should bear some of the blame due to its "recalcitrance in helping the government at the time". "The creation of the NBN 10 years ago has had a seminal effect on our industry and Australia," Mr Mullen said. He's pretty much on the money. 1
davewantsmoore Posted November 16, 2019 Posted November 16, 2019 On 14/11/2019 at 9:21 PM, Art Vandelay said: He's pretty much on the money. I don't agree. "At a fraction of the cost" ..... what magic pudding is this? Yes, lower upfront costs to the taxpayer. Telstra was offering to build the entire NBN at "zero cost", in return for being the "only ISP". So, sure - we could all have FTTN today, with some FTTH at Telstra discretion..... paying Telstra prices for Telstra service quality (whatever that would be). We only have to look at "Telstra Velocity" to see what that would/could be like. Perhaps if the government had of regulated such a project really well ..... then perhaps if could have worked.
davewantsmoore Posted November 16, 2019 Posted November 16, 2019 Just now, Batty said: Monopoly is a BAD thing Probably..... but to what degree depends on how it's regulated. ie. There's a big difference between a totally lawless monopoly, and one which has to jump through well constructed regulatory hoops (ie. ones which deliver outcomes which are worth trading for said monopoly). ie. not all monopoly is created equal. 1
proftournesol Posted November 16, 2019 Posted November 16, 2019 7 hours ago, davewantsmoore said: Probably..... but to what degree depends on how it's regulated. ie. There's a big difference between a totally lawless monopoly, and one which has to jump through well constructed regulatory hoops (ie. ones which deliver outcomes which are worth trading for said monopoly). ie. not all monopoly is created equal. There's no such thing as a well-regulated utility industry in Australia. Privatisation is only profitable with de-regulation, or to more accurately label it, dysregulation
Art Vandelay Posted November 17, 2019 Posted November 17, 2019 On 16/11/2019 at 11:11 AM, Batty said: Monopoly is a BAD thing Very true, even if thee is a good argument for a government monopoly over a corporate sector monopoly. On 16/11/2019 at 11:09 AM, davewantsmoore said: Yes, lower upfront costs to the taxpayer. Telstra was offering to build the entire NBN at "zero cost", in return for being the "only ISP". So, sure - we could all have FTTN today, with some FTTH at Telstra discretion..... paying Telstra prices for Telstra service quality (whatever that would be). Well that's one version of an alternate NBN universe, sure, but not a particularly logical one. If we had a government that was a bit smarter and genuinely committed to the cause we could have also ended up with a mix of government owned and privately owned NBN assets and competition that delivered a better product sooner.
davewantsmoore Posted November 17, 2019 Posted November 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Art Vandelay said: ...but not a particularly logical one. ... but was the one which was on offer. 2 hours ago, Art Vandelay said: If we had a government that was a bit smarter and genuinely committed to the cause we could have also ended up with a mix of government owned and privately owned NBN assets and competition that delivered a better product sooner. Who though? ... and how? OPEL in the country? ... with an upgrade beyond ADSL to what? .... and what of the city? Nobody wanted to roll out VDSL on reasonable terms.... so FTTH? HFC? Who would/could agree to do that?... at a price/terms less than what NBN paid? It really is tough one..... we made such a very poor decision re: Telstra. Analysts at the time said it would haunt us for many decades.
LogicprObe Posted November 17, 2019 Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) Yeah...................I think Art is wrong on that point too. It would have ended up with 'broadband' in the city and dial up in the country. Edited November 17, 2019 by LogicprObe
Art Vandelay Posted November 17, 2019 Posted November 17, 2019 25 minutes ago, LogicprObe said: Yeah...................I think Art is wrong on that point too. It would have ended up with 'broadband' in the city and dial up in the country. No, I was thinking of an arrangement that would deliver pretty much the same service that currently exists in rural areas. NBN was a recipe for failure from the day of its conception, regardless of whether it was a gold plated FTTH or copper plated MTM, due to a multitude of factors, political and technical. NBN will eventually have to become a blight on a future government balance sheet, but there is light at the end of a long tunnel for customers. Fixed and mobility-enabled 5G wireless will either supersede or complement existing MTM assets when the various network cores are integrated in 3-5 years from now, and fibre will continue to be rolled out into greenfield and brown > green field redevelopments in higher density areas. My NBN in St Ives is forecast for Dec 2020 but I'll probably just upgrade my existing 4G plan which meets most of my needs anyway.
joz Posted November 17, 2019 Posted November 17, 2019 So far it’s been a massive disappointment in our home. No noticeable speed loss but many drop outs. Sucks when streaming movies or music. Should’ve stayed put with cable.
LogicprObe Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, joz said: So far it’s been a massive disappointment in our home. No noticeable speed loss but many drop outs. Sucks when streaming movies or music. Should’ve stayed put with cable. They are only now offering speeds I was getting on cable 5 years ago...........................at double the cost! Edited November 18, 2019 by LogicprObe Poor Grandma 1
aussievintage Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 19 hours ago, joz said: So far it’s been a massive disappointment in our home. No noticeable speed loss but many drop outs. Sucks when streaming movies or music. Should’ve stayed put with cable. Who are you with, so we can avoid them?
joz Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 3 hours ago, LogicprObe said: They are only now offering speeds I was getting on cable 5 years ago...........................at double the cost! 3 hours ago, aussievintage said: Who are you with, so we can avoid them? We had cable with 100+mbs, now nbn with 90 mbs. similar coin. with Optus
betty boop Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, joz said: We had cable with 100+mbs, now nbn with 90 mbs. similar coin. with Optus the price of progress sorry...but what else is there to say. my dad still wishes he could turn back time. he was quite happy prior to nbn with his cable too... id get in touch with your isp. and pester then for a resolution... not much else can do I dont think... 1
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