Luckiestmanalive Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 This thread reinforces my general rule that any frustration with iTunes (or any other Apple software/products), Microsoft Windows, Linux, Abba or Justin Bieber should be posted/tweeted only under exceptional circumstances and with every care taken to explain the situation without appearing to criticise...
Hooster Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 This thread reinforces my long held conviction not to touch i products with a 10 foot pole. Many thanks for information provided.
Ernie1553552694 Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 People will believe what they want to believe. See the post by Ralph on Dissonance Theory. We got a data match with the above post.
Ernie1553552694 Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 luckiestmanalive;177821 wrote: This thread reinforces my general rule that any frustration with iTunes (or any other Apple software/products), Microsoft Windows, Linux, Abba or Justin Bieber should be posted/tweeted only under exceptional circumstances and with every care taken to explain the situation without appearing to criticise... LOL. But in this instance I shall wear my troll suit on the outside like Madonna wears her underwear.
monoclepop Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 I must admit that I despise itunes with a unrivalled level of hate. It seems really bloated, slow and [ime] overly buggy - at least under Win7. Itunes' gui has dated badly too - desperately in need of a refresh. Maybe it's me but I'm unable to get it to do things like monitor a folder and automagically add new content to library. :confused: I still have a 1st gen Microsoft Zune (which I use very sporadically), and I've always loved the Zune software. Even though it's long discontinued it's still better looking and [imho] more functional than the lastest itunes. Would anyone use Itunes if it were not tied to hardware? I guess some folks do get a lot of value out of the way it manages a library.
Luckiestmanalive Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 dusty;177948 wrote: Maybe it's me but I'm unable to get it to do things like monitor a folder and automagically add new content to library. Have you tried adding new content to the "Automatically add to iTunes" folder? Anything you add there will automatically be moved into the library if iTunes is open.
got tinnitus Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Apple software is for Apple OS. The issue many have with i-tunes on PC's is just like Microsoft stuff is a steaming pile when used on Apple OS.
monoclepop Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 luckiestmanalive;177986 wrote: Have you tried adding new content to the "Automatically add to iTunes" folder? Anything you add there will automatically be moved into the library if iTunes is open. If I understand it - this cedes control of file structure to the evil whims of itunes. Is this right? It seems perverse that Apple are the most succesful company but provide their music player with borked functionality. Having to convert all my flac to mp3 to get onto the ipad or iphone is painful enough as it is - I gibber in terror at the thought of itunes having its wicked way with the metadata and folder structure of my precious music files. But then if you exist in that world I'm sure it works fine. Trying to span apple and non-apple together seems a bridge too far, just as Mr Tinnitus says. I'm playing most of my music through xbmc at the moment - which is the most magnificent media player that I've encountered. For music it just lets me nicely browse the collection and select albums with ease.
Beeman Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Trying to span apple and non-apple together seems a bridge too far, just as Mr Tinnitus says Yes too true - I would not mention itunes at all if some music, now is being release solely on itunes & if you don’t have it you can’t download. I can happily ignore the itunes family of mutually exclusive associations but when I can't get the material I am after & am happy to pay for then I have a problem.
Luckiestmanalive Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 I ended up ceding control to Apple as I had no strength left to fight it anymore...
NeilNZ Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 beeman;178004 wrote: I can happily ignore the itunes family of mutually exclusive associations but when I can't get the material I am after & am happy to pay for then I have a problem. But to be fair that's not really Apple's fault... the artist/label will have chosen to make their product available through iTunes exclusively.
Beeman Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 But to be fair that's not really Apple's fault... the artist/label will have chosen to make their product available through iTunes exclusively. no that’s right it’s not Apples fault the artist made the choice to release on itunes exclusively & I am forced to install itunes to source music I want. Due to the fact that the software is by necessity going to be used by non apples users I suggest it is about time the sales/store end of the business become a little less tied to the everything else (hardware/media/player/library management) end of the business. That way I could purchase the tunes I’m happy to pay for (in flac) & not have to come into contact with the other products & "services" that we have discussed at length in this thread. PS. It really would be interesting to hear from someone from Apple prepared to represent their product & discuss the concerns shared here. After all we are the people who are pushing the boundaries of this new technology & market place & we all have an interest in it working better than it does now.
Hooster Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 beeman;178040 wrote: PS. It really would be interesting to hear from someone from Apple prepared to represent their product & discuss the concerns shared here. After all we are the people who are pushing the boundaries of this new technology & market place & we all have an interest in it working better than it does now. I am sure that in Apple's view their products are perfect and there are no concerns worth discussing. Why else would people stand in line to buy their stuff and pay the money they do for Apple products? They are obviously doing everything right and if there are some people out there who are "pushing the boundaries" and have an interest in it working better I very much doubt that Apple is interested. They know what works and they have to profits to prove it. Apple make a high quality product that appeals to the masses. It does not appeal to me, but then I am not "the masses".
NeilNZ Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Yep, it does suck, due to the forced channels you have to buy through in some cases. But I guess it is their way of protecting their revenue streams. It would be good to hear from an Apple person though. Ps I am a die hard Apple fanboy.
Harvey66 Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 After running into warranty problems with two of the kids ipods just outside the 12 month period and encountering Apple's lack of customer service department I have never and will never buy one of their products. You won't find anyone from Apple offering any help or opinions around here, they're all in the dunny with their nose stuck up their arse making sure their crap doesn't stink. *rant over*
Hooster Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 According to NZ law the item should be repaired or replaced within the period you can reasonably expect it to work. I guess Apple products are only expected to work 1 year. I take back my previous statement about Apple making high quality products.
Dunnersfella1553552754 Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Hooster;178041 wrote: I am sure that in Apple's view their products are perfect and there are no concerns worth discussing. Why else would people stand in line to buy their stuff and pay the money they do for Apple products? They are obviously doing everything right and if there are some people out there who are "pushing the boundaries" and have an interest in it working better I very much doubt that Apple is interested. They know what works and they have to profits to prove it. Apple make a high quality product that appeals to the masses. It does not appeal to me, but then I am not "the masses". 1: You're 'sure' on how Apple views their products. 2: You're not "the masses". I genuinely laughed out loud when I read this. As an aside, I'm running a FLAC library via Fidelia and iTunes 11. At this point, I dislike the lack of coverflow on the new iTunes, and the lack of FLAC support... but do I find the difference between my AIFF and FLAC libraries great enough to quit iTunes? Nope. It's fine for what it tries to be. If you want an audiophile type piece of music playback software, look elsewhere. However, if you want to manage your entire music / movie / TV library, I really quite like iTunes.
Hooster Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 "I am sure" is a figure of speech and an individual can never be "the masses". For all I know Apple views their products as junk. I simply assume that they think they are making good stuff and getting help/advice from the lunatic fringe is not going to be productive for their money making juggernaut. Some people seem to like Apple very much and let their money do the talking. "The masses", in the sense of millions of people, are clearly under the impression that Apple is desirable, well made and worth the money. Since impression is everything, who am I to argue?
Dunnersfella1553552754 Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 So you have no knowledge of Apple's product design ethics?* However, you were more than happy to stipulate that you were? But now, you're not so sure? Gotcha!
Beeman Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 The thing that makes this conversation so difficult is we are all talking about different things. Hardware phone/pad/mac/pc - software player/library manager/download manager/apps - store music source/app source. For every case of a piece not working for an individual you will find another case of the same piece working. To me it’s the integration of all these elements that is the problem. I don't want them all integrated from the one source.
Hooster Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Dunnersfella;178071 wrote: So you have no knowledge of Apple's product design ethics?* However, you were more than happy to stipulate that you were? But now, you're not so sure? Gotcha! I work on assumptions, just like everyone else. That's one of the few things I am really sure about. Good work on the Gotcha. You can have a chocolate fish and an hour on the Playstation.
Dunnersfella1553552754 Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Ooooooooh. Snarky - I like that. Lets be friends.
Hooster Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Dunnersfella;178077 wrote: Ooooooooh. Snarky - I like that. Lets be friends. Yes, let's. It a slow day at the office so some controversy is welcome too.
Reverend Johnny Heathen Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 This is a great thread. A little passion and fire perhaps - even fair moderator lost his sense of moderation at one point - but all that aside (and those two above me secretly really like each other btw) there does seem to be quite a number of valid complaints here and I agree with our apicultural friend that it would be nice to hear apples take on things. I for one have 6 apple products in my house - roughly 3.5k initial outlay - none of which I intend replacing at the end of their useful lives for the simple reason that IMO iTunes is such a limited and limiting - and thus, again IMO - flawed piece of software. We've heard such expressions as 'cede control' as well as stories of the one year lifespan (a common tale) there are definite and genuine issues here. And it's probably worth remembering that though 'millions' around the world do buy and use these products - a lot of those purchases - and of course only a percentage - have far more to do with the 'props' and 'status' associated with these expensive wee toys among both 'mature' consumers as well as the youth - than the actual usability of the product. Theyre desirable because popular culture atm say it is so. Apple as a company has seen this and has reacted by giving us a 6-12 month obscillesence period where a new product is launched that barely, if at all, improves upon the last one, but nonetheless makes the older model 'so last year'. Oops. Prolix. Rant over! :cool:
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