Guest rmpfyf Posted September 7, 2019 Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Addicted to music said: No there not, its the 330W version of these: https://static.trinasolar.com/sites/default/files/AU_Datasheet_Honey_DD06M.08II_EN.pdf Yeah they're alright. Not bad not awesome but closer to the latter. I'd ask about a GoodWe 5kW hybrid if you want a battery in future. Edited September 7, 2019 by rmpfyf
Addicted to music Posted September 7, 2019 Author Posted September 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, rmpfyf said: Yeah they're alright. Not bad not awesome but closer to the latter. I'd ask about a GoodWe 5kW hybrid if you want a battery in future. There are other alternatives to go fully of the grid using the Fronius Primo,,,, But yeah might asked even thought the quote is locked in with Solar Victoria Rebate
Megawolf Posted September 7, 2019 Posted September 7, 2019 Each panel has it`s own inverter. That way if a panel goes down it doesn`t take the entire string with it. They sit under the panels. The batteries are under the house, I`ll take some pictures tomorrow and post them for you. I think even in winter we were still making 30kw + on a clear day, today was 50.2kw. I forgot the system is 8.25kw. I choose LG for the warranty and the quality, I don`t think they will be going bust anytime soon. There are some other very good panel makers about, just check they are tier 1. If you have any shading issues best to get panel optimizers or the enphase panel inverters. I choose those because I think it`s better to have A/C in the roof, rather than high voltage D/C. Cheers. Ian. 1
Addicted to music Posted September 7, 2019 Author Posted September 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, Megawolf said: Each panel has it`s own inverter. That way if a panel goes down it doesn`t take the entire string with it. They sit under the panels. The batteries are under the house, I`ll take some pictures tomorrow and post them for you. I think even in winter we were still making 30kw + on a clear day, today was 50.2kw. I forgot the system is 8.25kw. I choose LG for the warranty and the quality, I don`t think they will be going bust anytime soon. There are some other very good panel makers about, just check they are tier 1. If you have any shading issues best to get panel optimizers or the enphase panel inverters. I choose those because I think it`s better to have A/C in the roof, rather than high voltage D/C. Cheers. Ian. I had a quote with Enphase micro inverter almost a decade ago when I moved to where I am now.... Almost did it, Enphase and the concept of an inverter for every panel really raised my eyebrow, butttt....... at the time these things were just entering the market place so I thought I wait.... The reality sets in if you are multi level or dual level, to have someone get up there in case of a fault is costly, plumbers or air condition guys charge you an extra $250 just to get up there.. Becuase they were entering the market at the time a lot was unknown, and reliability was a wait and see, Just remember the roof is a very punishing environment even if the electronics are placed on the onderside of the panel, the temp can reach to levels that can compromise durability. Becuase I don’t have a lot of shading apart from the evaporative cooler on the west facing side.... the shadow on that cooler falls only for 1 1/2 hour in the morning and then It disappears so it’s not a problem.... I went with the normal string arrangement where I have a north facing with 8-9 panels and the rest on the west facing and have all the electronics on ground level. I actually got a quote on Enphase but that’s nearly x2 the price.
Addicted to music Posted September 7, 2019 Author Posted September 7, 2019 @rmpfyf BTW, I already have a smart meter in the box, it was changed over a few years after I moved in, they can be a blessing and a curse, curse being that at a click of a mouse they can switch the power of at an instant not like b4....it pisses me of when tenants vacate and there’s no power to do work!
Guest rmpfyf Posted September 7, 2019 Posted September 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Addicted to music said: There are other alternatives to go fully of the grid using the Fronius Primo,,,, But yeah might asked even thought the quote is locked in with Solar Victoria Rebate I have a Primo, decent product. 50 minutes ago, Megawolf said: There are some other very good panel makers about, just check they are tier 1. Careful here. I have LG NeON 2's also though LG is not a tier 1 panel. All that means is that it's sold in a certain volume. Doesn't mean a company is going to be around forever... Check debt to equity ratios for that! 12 minutes ago, Addicted to music said: @rmpfyf BTW, I already have a smart meter in the box, it was changed over a few years after I moved in, they can be a blessing and a curse, curse being that at a click of a mouse they can switch the power of at an instant not like b4....it pisses me of when tenants vacate and there’s no power to do work! You'll want an export meter your PV system can talk to to be able to overlay generation and consumption accurately, or to have the PV system do anything with excess export. Whether you go Fronius' own or something interfaced to it, it's good to have it. You may have already been quoted given your system is intended to be export limited - I'd check.
Super Mustud Posted September 7, 2019 Posted September 7, 2019 As everyone on SNA undoubtedly knows, I am devoted to conserving the environment. Despite using an electric toothbrush. We wanted our place at Inverloch to have solar fitted when we did some extensions. Our favourite sparky has installed the wiring but told us he would not be able to access the rebate before December as he has already used up his quota. Our install will therefor not happen until then. I do wish to use him as I know the gear he uses and the quality of his work. Installing PV in Vic using rebate is difficult as last month's rebate quota was filled in the first 30 mins on the first day of the month. Perhaps an issue of the less wealthy subsidising the more wealthy? But that has, in my view, has always been the case with solar subsidies. A strange situation.
Guest rmpfyf Posted September 7, 2019 Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Super Mustud said: As everyone on SNA undoubtedly knows, I am devoted to conserving the environment. Despite using an electric toothbrush. We wanted our place at Inverloch to have solar fitted when we did some extensions. Our favourite sparky has installed the wiring but told us he would not be able to access the rebate before December as he has already used up his quota. Our install will therefor not happen until then. I do wish to use him as I know the gear he uses and the quality of his work. Installing PV in Vic using rebate is difficult as last month's rebate quota was filled in the first 30 mins on the first day of the month. Perhaps an issue of the less wealthy subsidising the more wealthy? But that has, in my view, has always been the case with solar subsidies. A strange situation. No, it's means-tested. The 'more wealthy' can't get it. The govt wasn't clear when announcing this that they didn't actually have the resources (money included) to realise the full commitment up front. It's created a ton of expectation in the market, very unfortunately. Other subsidiaries are just fine - federal small technology certificates (the usual STC rebate) are easily accessible, instant to obtain. Also... Don't know what your installer is telling you about December. If he's fully booked until then, that's real, but the rebate scheme doesn't permit him any allocations or limits therein. Eligibility is between you and the state government only. Hope he's being transparent with you. Edited September 7, 2019 by rmpfyf
Addicted to music Posted September 7, 2019 Author Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, rmpfyf said: No, it's means-tested. The 'more wealthy' can't get it. ........and how fast you can type on line to complete fields...... there was 6500 allocations that just passed for Sept. I believe they went in just under 30mins... By the time I hit save and exit after accepting the quote it was already finished...... the portal had closed for any applications. You have to be quick, what I did was I found I was able to get on at 8.55am it only took around 10mins to enter the fields and accept the quote. There is another round opening in the middle of this month, 3250... it will start on the 17th Sept but this time at 12:00 midday. Im hoping that they accept all my credentials including the IDV; https://www.solar.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2019-08/SOL003_IDV Manual Form_20.08.19 _0.pdf so I don’t have to go through this again. Since there was also a rebate for batteries for $4800 and there’s 100/200 but have a look at the means test, I don’t even qualify, my postcode isn’t even on there....it’s even tougher to obtain even though it isn’t popular... https://www.solar.vic.gov.au/solar-battery-rebate Edited September 7, 2019 by Addicted to music
Megawolf Posted September 8, 2019 Posted September 8, 2019 Hi guys. I added a couple of pictures of my system. An example of our power usage last night. The batteries were down 25%, this morning fully charged at 9.30am. We do tend to use as little power as possible, but don`t let it effect the way we live. I also had all the lights changed to led, I have never seen so many down lights in one home. 53 down lights and 14 fluro`s, cost a bit but well worth it. We also use fan forced gas heating and instant gas hot water, I do tend to use an electric jug for water now. ( powers free) Doing thing like washing clothes and the dishwasher get done during the day. I have my welders set up in the garage they work well off the batteries. One thing I have noticed is that there is very little voltage movement. rmpfyf I don`t know where you heard the LG isn`t a tier 1, every solar company I have ever talked too would disagree. I don`t think they would have a 25yr warranty if the weren't going to back there product`s. I am very happy with the setup on my home, the Tesla app is very good for monitoring, it can be a bit spotty. Our mobile service is crap even though we have a tower 400m away. Cheers. Ian. 1
Guest rmpfyf Posted September 8, 2019 Posted September 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Addicted to music said: Since there was also a rebate for batteries for $4800 and there’s 100/200 but have a look at the means test, I don’t even qualify, my postcode isn’t even on there....it’s even tougher to obtain even though it isn’t popular... Some of the battery rebate stuff is just weird. A postcode near mine - no where near growth - is on the list. 5km from here. It's as though someone in government living in the area needed a discount on a battery... 10 minutes ago, Megawolf said: Hi guys. I added a couple of pictures of my system. An example of our power usage last night. The batteries were down 25%, this morning fully charged at 9.30am. We do tend to use as little power as possible, but don`t let it effect the way we live. I also had all the lights changed to led, I have never seen so many down lights in one home. 53 down lights and 14 fluro`s, cost a bit but well worth it. We also use fan forced gas heating and instant gas hot water, I do tend to use an electric jug for water now. ( powers free) Doing thing like washing clothes and the dishwasher get done during the day. I have my welders set up in the garage they work well off the batteries. One thing I have noticed is that there is very little voltage movement. rmpfyf I don`t know where you heard the LG isn`t a tier 1, every solar company I have ever talked too would disagree. I don`t think they would have a 25yr warranty if the weren't going to back there product`s. I am very happy with the setup on my home, the Tesla app is very good for monitoring, it can be a bit spotty. Our mobile service is crap even though we have a tower 400m away. Cheers. Ian. I should disclose I'm in the industry and I do a lot of work with LG's solar division directly. Manufacturing scale is a criteria of Tier 1 solar PV, and LG doesn't have the scale - one of the few manufacturers not to manufacture in China. I'd have LG over any Tier 1 anyday if you can afford it. Tier 1 doesn't mean best necessarily. If you want best, get LG Electronics. Very few manufacturers come close. Like I said, there's LG NeON 2's on my house. I don't really care that they don't make as many panels as Chinese Vendor X. We had a hailstorm three days after they were installed that would have ruined most panels making code requirements (surviving a 24mm hailstone only) and a few years later my LG's are still perfect. Don't know why your home was done Enphase, two panels look to get realistic shading which could have been put elsewhere. Wouldn't have mounted the batteries where they are either. Mains voltage is largely set by the grid not your system unless working offgrid. Hopefully a retailer rolls out Tesla's Virtual Power Plant services to your area soon and you're eligible to make some coin off the batteries.
Megawolf Posted September 8, 2019 Posted September 8, 2019 My system doesn`t import anything from the grid. The batteries are mounted in the best place here, they are out of the way and easly accessable from the garage, cool and dry. I see what you mean by tier 1. The virtual PP I wouldn`t touch, my understanding is that your system can be drained when ever it`s needed leaving you with nothing. That just means that you have to then draw off the grid at higher prices. I have mine to be off grid as much as possible, no blackouts and the system will still work as normal even if there is one. Cheers. Ian. 1
Guest rmpfyf Posted September 8, 2019 Posted September 8, 2019 55 minutes ago, Megawolf said: My system doesn`t import anything from the grid. The batteries are mounted in the best place here, they are out of the way and easly accessable from the garage, cool and dry. I see what you mean by tier 1. The virtual PP I wouldn`t touch, my understanding is that your system can be drained when ever it`s needed leaving you with nothing. That just means that you have to then draw off the grid at higher prices. I have mine to be off grid as much as possible, no blackouts and the system will still work as normal even if there is one. Cheers. Ian. Are you off grid or grid connected? Having a net zero bill doesn't necessarily imply that Not quite correct on the VPP. There are ways to be paid for very little movement in SoC, and the idea is that you're net better off financially. In Tesla's app in particular you can set minimum reserve levels. Wouldn't have put the battery there for fire risk.
Megawolf Posted September 8, 2019 Posted September 8, 2019 I`m still connected to the grid, but the grid act`s as a backup generator. And I export all the unused power to it. 1
Guest rmpfyf Posted September 8, 2019 Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Megawolf said: I`m still connected to the grid, but the grid act`s as a backup generator. And I export all the unused power to it. So they installed the islanding module also? (Can go off grid). Your voltages when grid connected are grid voltage. The grid certainly isn't acting like a backup generator FWIW. Net Zero bills are pretty cool though. Edited September 8, 2019 by rmpfyf
Megawolf Posted September 8, 2019 Posted September 8, 2019 Yes my voltage`s are grid when I`m drawing power from it. But I don`t draw from it as long as I have 20% or more left in the batteries, the last 20% is kept in case of backouts. The grid acts the same as a backup generator as in if I use all the power in the batteries it then will draw from the grid. I`m not sure if it`s an islanding module or the Tesla`s gateway module does it automaticly, but that is what I asked for. 1
Guest rmpfyf Posted September 8, 2019 Posted September 8, 2019 22 minutes ago, Megawolf said: Yes my voltage`s are grid when I`m drawing power from it. But I don`t draw from it as long as I have 20% or more left in the batteries, the last 20% is kept in case of backouts. The grid acts the same as a backup generator as in if I use all the power in the batteries it then will draw from the grid. I`m not sure if it`s an islanding module or the Tesla`s gateway module does it automaticly, but that is what I asked for. Hey big spender, that's a nice system then. If you've got the islanding hardware in there it's a nice bit of kit. The grid is actually there all the time when connected - you'll have any short-run impulse handled by the grid, even if fractions of a second. Much better on your batteries this way. For the size of your system and your usage your export will probably exceed this small draw. True backup generators require you go island from the grid, it's electrically quite different.... would be a totally different switchboard setup.
Addicted to music Posted September 8, 2019 Author Posted September 8, 2019 If I were to go LG NeON 2 345W panels, I’d be looking at $3300 with all the rebates... without the rebate I’d be looking at more for the LG because the STC somehow is calculated more for the LG. @rmpfyf what’s the thickness of the front glass of the NeON 2 panels, it’s not outlined but claims up to 5400Pa. @Megawolf awesome set up mate!
Megawolf Posted September 8, 2019 Posted September 8, 2019 I just checked the tesla app and we haven`t imported anything from the grid this month. As for usage we don`t use bugger all power, but it`s nice to have it there if you need it. Summer will be interesting to see what happens when the A/C starts getting used. Cheers. Ian. 1
Guest rmpfyf Posted September 8, 2019 Posted September 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Addicted to music said: If I were to go LG NeON 2 345W panels, I’d be looking at $3300 with all the rebates... without the rebate I’d be looking at more for the LG because the STC somehow is calculated more for the LG. @rmpfyf what’s the thickness of the front glass of the NeON 2 panels, it’s not outlined but claims up to 5400Pa. @Megawolf awesome set up mate! STCs are calculated on the array size, nothing to do with which panels. Wholesales run cheap Chinese panels at under 40c/W, better stuff in the fifties and LG above that. Balance of system is slightly less with LG as you're typically using less panels for a given system size. Its more than glass that goes into impact and load resistance. They're one of the few makes to give a positive only tolerance and a genuine 25 year warranty. 1 hour ago, Megawolf said: I just checked the tesla app and we haven`t imported anything from the grid this month. As for usage we don`t use bugger all power, but it`s nice to have it there if you need it. Summer will be interesting to see what happens when the A/C starts getting used. Cheers. Ian. The Tesla gateway doesn't sample fast enough to capture impulse loads.
Addicted to music Posted September 8, 2019 Author Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, rmpfyf said: STCs are calculated on the array size, nothing to do with which panels. Wholesales run cheap Chinese panels at under 40c/W, better stuff in the fifties and LG above that. Balance of system is slightly less with LG as you're typically using less panels for a given system size. Its more than glass that goes into impact and load resistance. They're one of the few makes to give a positive only tolerance and a genuine 25 year warranty. Here’s a screen shot of what was quoted. This is the best I got out of 3 quotes, the others are around or either over $1k plus and that doesn’t even include the Fronius. you can see what’s happening with the STC as the cost goes higher with the LG panels..... if I had the budget I’d go LG no questions asked, but I don’t have the the budget.... Also here’s my roof, you can’t see the panels in the front because it’s dual story you need to walk into the middle of the road b4 the roof becomes visible.... The panels will also be fitted on the west side where the evaporative cooler iand the antenna is situated..... The shadow of the cooler will fall across the 2 panels for 90mins before the shadow moves to were that shot was taken and then disappears altogether, how I know I watched it when they placed the 3 solar hot water panels on that side and had to move them to currently where they are. Edited September 9, 2019 by Addicted to music
Addicted to music Posted September 8, 2019 Author Posted September 8, 2019 Good news all! Solar Victoria has just advised via automated generated email that I’ve been approved! so so now it to find out through the supplier when this can happen.... 1
Guest rmpfyf Posted September 9, 2019 Posted September 9, 2019 STCs are broadly the same in those quotes. They're included in the pre rebate and loan price (note - they're assuming you take a four year loan from the state govt as well as the rebate on those prices). Knowing well the cost price on the Trina and LG options (which I won't print here) they're overcharging for the LG. Nothing flash on those prices - some a bit high - check solarchoice.net.au to get an idea where you sit. You're going to be moving your water system I take it and a good installer would bunch the west panels closer together to avoid the north and south ridge lines. Would have done it with SolarEdge and a mid-range panel IMHO - I don't like that shading. The evap unit is more intrusive than ideal. Ask for a year round nearmap assessment - what you have us an idealized image. You need more.
Addicted to music Posted September 13, 2019 Author Posted September 13, 2019 The scheduled installation is around the 3-4wks away where the installation team will get in contact to scheduled and appointment...... Going of the grid and relying it as a backup ATM is way out of my league, A quote with one Sonnen battery with the 5KW Fronius and Trina Panels is $16,000. ATM I’m just sticking to the bare basic, this is good enough considering my bills aren’t crazy high. Putting in $16k I will never see it back in my lifetime me think.
Guest rmpfyf Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Addicted to music said: The scheduled installation is around the 3-4wks away where the installation team will get in contact to scheduled and appointment...... Going of the grid and relying it as a backup ATM is way out of my league, A quote with one Sonnen battery with the 5KW Fronius and Trina Panels is $16,000. ATM I’m just sticking to the bare basic, this is good enough considering my bills aren’t crazy high. Putting in $16k I will never see it back in my lifetime me think. Would have done it around $11k with SolaX - that'd have had you 12kWh of storage, 5kW or so of PV, 5kW inverter and a limited offgrid capability (that's without the state rebate). Have a few homes running as such just fine. Mind you BYD's new LV battery is a total beast. Very impressive specs - best in class degradation. You have to want storage though - raw payback is still better with just PV at the moment. Edited September 13, 2019 by rmpfyf
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