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22 minutes ago, Yamaha_man said:

I can play music with Bluetooth via my phone, just the Toslink that isn’t working.

Bluetooth is on Controller, so both Controller and Kii are working. 

 

1 minute ago, Yamaha_man said:

Just checked Toslink cable on my main system. It works fine. 🤷🏽‍♂️

 So that leaves the source and the optical input of the Controller as possible causes.  

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26 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said:

Bluetooth is on Controller, so both Controller and Kii are working. 

 

 So that leaves the source and the optical input of the Controller as possible causes.  

It’s doing my head in, time to trade this soundbar for a sennheiser ambeo. 

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Posted
26 minutes ago, Yamaha_man said:

Ok, the issue is with Stan, it doesn’t seem to like the 5.1 programs. 

 

18 minutes ago, Yamaha_man said:

Any idea how to rectify the problem?

I assume you are referring to the 5.1 problem.  Does your TV have a setting to downmix?  If not, then you need to use something else to do downmix e.g. AVR. Or use a Nvidia Shield as the source and downmix.

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17 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said:

 

I assume you are referring to the 5.1 problem.  Does your TV have a setting to downmix?  If not, then you need to use something else to do downmix e.g. AVR. Or use a Nvidia Shield as the source and downmix.

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Posted
On 13/11/2022 at 1:39 PM, Snoopy8 said:

 

Delay set in both SHD (30 ms) and 2x4 HD (80 ms). The 2x4HD is overkill and can be replaced with another switch box which does delay only.

 

hi @Snoopy8 I'm digging this thread again because the comment "The 2x4HD is overkill and can be replaced with another switch box which does delay only." intrigued me. What are such "switch boxes" which only do delay? can you point to some examples? thank you :)

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On 13/11/2022 at 1:39 PM, Snoopy8 said:

 

Delay set in both SHD (30 ms) and 2x4 HD (80 ms). The 2x4HD is overkill and can be replaced with another switch box which does delay only.

 

hi @Snoopy8 I'm digging this thread again because the comment "The 2x4HD is overkill and can be replaced with another switch box which does delay only." intrigued me. What are such "switch boxes" which only do delay? can you point to some examples? thank you :)

 

strike that - found it myself while reading further once, I guess you were referring to things like these: more https://www.selby.com.au/brands/blustream/blustream-ad11au-analogue-audio-delay-processor.html

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@pam1975 there are also lip synch boxes that typically use optical. It all depends on what you want to do..

Posted
Just now, Snoopy8 said:

@pam1975 there are also lip synch boxes that typically use optical. It all depends on what you want to do..

On 13/11/2022 at 1:39 PM, Snoopy8 said:

 

Delay set in both SHD (30 ms) and 2x4 HD (80 ms). The 2x4HD is overkill and can be replaced with another switch box which does delay only.

 

 

I wanted to go for a miniDSP flex into a 2x4 HD initially (to get to the necessary delays with the Kii) and then I saw your comment. It would save a few bucks, but not sure it's worth it given that the increments are typically done manually and not sure if it would have an impact on sound quality...

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Pam IMHO go with the Flex into the HD.   For the few dollars more you will just get some perfect settings to work with re timing between Kii 3's and subs.     If you don't get the timings right, then your ears will hate you.

 

Regards Cazzesman

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4 minutes ago, cazzesman said:

Pam IMHO go with the Flex into the HD.   For the few dollars more you will just get some perfect settings to work with re timing between Kii 3's and subs.     If you don't get the timings right, then your ears will hate you.

 

Regards Cazzesman

I couldn’t agree more - thank you!

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The great thing with the Flex, that came out after I purchased the SHD Studio, is that you can go optical out, straight into the HD.    
 

I had to go Coaxial out into a converter and optical out into HD.

 

On a side note……..how good are those Kii3’s 👍👍👍👍👍😱


And with the sub/subs they will be even better.   Are you going with 1 or 2?
 

Regards Cazzesman

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The Kii three are (almost) the best thing since sliced bread 🤩

 

yes I agree the flex in toslink to the HD seems easy enough.

I will start with 1 sub- to be honest I am concerned that as I live in an apartment in a capital that my neighbors may kill me 😂

so I’ll start with one and see if I go to 2 (which I’ll probably do in due course if I don’t have the entire building on my back) 

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Posted

Been reading this topic about integrating subs with the Kii Threes with a lot of interest. All of you guys are light years ahead of where my setup currently is so learning a LOT. Thank you!

I'm about to acquire a pair of Velodyne DD+10s and initially using them for HT (connected to a Denon AVR). Ultimately, it's best to just get this connected directly in line with the Kii Threes for both HT and 2-ch audio purposes. 

 

Looking at minidsp.com's website, I can see the https://www.minidsp.com/products/minidsp-in-a-box/flex (Flex) but can't find the 2x4 product. Does this (https://www.minidsp.com/products/dirac-series/ddrc-24) replace it? 

 

And if the DDRC-24 has Dirac Live on it, I wouldn't need to add that as an option on the Flex, correct? Or should I?

 

-dave

Posted
2 hours ago, SFDude said:

I'm about to acquire a pair of Velodyne DD+10s and initially using them for HT (connected to a Denon AVR). Ultimately, it's best to just get this connected directly in line with the Kii Threes for both HT and 2-ch audio purposes. 

 For HT, why change the standard way subs are connected to the Denon ?  

 

What we are discussing here is how to integrate subs to Kii Three's in a stereo setup, and the need to get a miniDSP with a large enough delay to compensate for the 90 ms latency.

 

For an even more complicated setup, you can share the Kii Three's and subs between HT and stereo.  Suggest not going there; it is a very complex and very difficult exercise.

 

So, please let us know what you intend to do...

Posted (edited)
45 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said:

 For HT, why change the standard way subs are connected to the Denon ?  

 

What we are discussing here is how to integrate subs to Kii Three's in a stereo setup, and the need to get a miniDSP with a large enough delay to compensate for the 90 ms latency.

 

For an even more complicated setup, you can share the Kii Three's and subs between HT and stereo.  Suggest not going there; it is a very complex and very difficult exercise.

 

So, please let us know what you intend to do...

 

I have the Kii Threes connected for both audio (streaming from an Innuos Zenith into the USB input on the Kii Connect) use and HT (using pre-outs for Front R&L from the Denon AVR into the XLR on each of the Kii speakers). 

I'd like to just integrate the subs in a way with the Kii Three where I can switch the intended use (2ch audio and HT), having the subs always be used inline with the Kii Threes. 

I see there's a miniDSP Flex HT with an HDMI ARC input and a USB input. I could perhaps use the Flex HT to connect both the HDMI output from the Denon and the Innuos USB output as well? Then would need the DDRC-24 to introduce a bit more delay on the subs?

 

Admittedly, I read and re-read the threads multiple times and still a little obtuse about what's required here. Trying to get a system that's ready for retirement in a couple of years. Would love to set it, forget it and enjoy the music and movies!

 

-dave

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Posted
23 minutes ago, SFDude said:

I see there's a miniDSP Flex HT with an HDMI ARC input and a USB input. I could perhaps use the Flex HT to connect both the HDMI output from the Denon and the Innuos USB output as well? Then would need the DDRC-24 to introduce a bit more delay on the subs?

Understand what you are trying to aim for, but there are a number of challenges.

 

Running subs via the Kii for HT is not a trivial exercise. Firstly, need to set HT setup to "no subs" so that the LFE signal in HDMI is not used.  Then have to convert the multi channel ARC signal to stereo before extracting the bass for the subs. 

 

Setting the crossovers will be tricky; too high and it could affect the Kii and too low could impact the rest of the HT speakers.  

 

Next, have to decide how to apply DSP filters and where, when. When do you run Audyssey on Denon? When do you apply DSP for the Kii and subs?  The intent is to get as even a bass response as possible.  

 

I had a previous setup (pre Kii) which tried to do the above, without using HDMI ARC and it was very complex. It used 2 modded Behringer DCX2496s to share the mains and subs for both stereo and HT. It was a mad exercise that worked, but ultimately became the trigger for simplifying my setups.  I am suggesting that you not go down a similar path.

 

Also, the Flex does not have enough delay and you will need a 2nd miniDSP. 

Posted

My crazy thinking on this. I may just hook one sub up to the Denon for HT duties, and look into the second sub for integration with the Kii Threes for 2-channel duties. 

 

Am I off my rocker on this? Give a person too many options, and they go off the reservation! 

 

-dave

Posted
5 hours ago, SFDude said:

My crazy thinking on this. I may just hook one sub up to the Denon for HT duties, and look into the second sub for integration with the Kii Threes for 2-channel duties. 

I assume you will continue to use the Kii analogue inputs for HT and minimise the delay. Run Audyssey with 1 sub for the Denon and things will work.

 

Using 1 sub for the Kii for stereo only can be done, but you will need the following:

- sum stereo signal to mono, less 6dB (halve the volume)

- use a box with AES and SPDIF outputs; cannot use USB outputs because DACs are usually asynchronous.

- allow for 90 ms Kii latency

- set crossover at 50 to 70 Hz to minimise interference to Kii

 

A miniDSP SHD Studio can tick many of the above requirements. You will need to use REW to find best position for sub and use Dirac to do integration.

 

Sorry, it is not a trivial exercise to add a sub or subs to the Kii for stereo use, but it can be done. 2 owners in Melbourne, Australia are successfully running them but I chose to continue using USB, thus  without subs.

Posted (edited)
10 hours ago, SFDude said:

My crazy thinking on this. I may just hook one sub up to the Denon for HT duties, and look into the second sub for integration with the Kii Threes for 2-channel duties. 

 

Am I off my rocker on this? Give a person too many options, and they go off the reservation! 

 

-dave

This would be a big compromise. I have Dutch & Dutch 8C's and use a miniDSP SHD Studio with a crossover to two subwwooofers at 80Hz. Using JRiver Media Centre on a Windows PC one has the funtionality of a very expensive processor (ATMOS aside) to mix LFE into the left and right channels which in my case are then crossed over to two subwoofers via the miniDSP SHD Studio as mentioned. I'm not suggesting that you actually do this, but just know that it can be done. I assume you can also do this with an expensive processor such as from Storm Audio which would also come with other benefits such as Dirac Live Bass Control and Dirac Live Active Room Treatment.

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