rantan Posted December 4, 2020 Posted December 4, 2020 I don't know who is trying them in Adelaide, but I am up for a frank and fearless trial, while they are visiting the city of pubs. (For those who don't know, there are 10 times as many pubs than churches in Adelaide). 1 1
Cafad Posted December 4, 2020 Posted December 4, 2020 On 04/12/2020 at 12:51 AM, rantan said: I don't know who is trying them in Adelaide, but I am up for a frank and fearless trial, while they are visiting the city of pubs. (For those who don't know, there are 10 times as many pubs than churches in Adelaide). Expand I was hoping you'd be up for a trial run. No worries, I'll add you to the list. Ten times as many pubs as churches? Really? "Adelaide, the city where pub crawls are marathons." 1
Jones99 Posted December 4, 2020 Posted December 4, 2020 On 04/12/2020 at 12:42 AM, Cafad said: Ok then, back east they will come. Expand If still in WA I will try. 1
Pops110 Posted December 4, 2020 Posted December 4, 2020 So I’ve had them in my system for a week and I’ve heard a difference on some tracks but can’t seem to notice a difference on others. I don’t think that I like what they are doing to the soundstage though. Sounds very good but the more I listen things just don’t seem right. I take them out and the soundstage seems to get a tad more focus and it’s back to the sound I like. So my findings are they do something but it’s not my cup of tea. @Cafad do you want me to touch base with @Jones99 and get them to him for a listen? 1
frednork Posted December 4, 2020 Posted December 4, 2020 On 04/12/2020 at 9:25 AM, Pops110 said: So I’ve had them in my system for a week and I’ve heard a difference on some tracks but can’t seem to notice a difference on others. I don’t think that I like what they are doing to the soundstage though. Sounds very good but the more I listen things just don’t seem right. I take them out and the soundstage seems to get a tad more focus and it’s back to the sound I like. So my findings are they do something but it’s not my cup of tea. @Cafad do you want me to touch base with @Jones99 and get them to him for a listen? Expand I do know what you mean by this. Sometimes it just seemed bigger and was pleasing but at other times it felt like fake 3d or old school avr dsp, lots of effect but not appropriate.
Cafad Posted December 4, 2020 Posted December 4, 2020 On 04/12/2020 at 9:25 AM, Pops110 said: @Cafad do you want me to touch base with @Jones99 and get them to him for a listen? Expand Please do mate, we might as well get a few more ears in the mix before changing states again.
Luc Posted December 4, 2020 Posted December 4, 2020 On 04/12/2020 at 12:51 AM, rantan said: I am up for a frank and fearless trial Expand Look forward to that then. Frankness is always welcome, fearlessness less so, we're not in a tourney here after all and it's probably not needed. My local HIFi store had these for a week and they ran them through a variety of speakers and set-ups and ...they found no improvement whatsoever and in the PMC's and Sim Audio match up they felt that they actually degraded the listening XP. What speakers are you plugging them onto? 1
rantan Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 @Luc Apologies for the cliche. It was somewhat naff. I shall apply the necessary level of perspicacity to the task at hand, although the game is afoot. I have a humble collection of speakers in use but my fondness for them continues to abound. Namely: Monitor Audio Silver 500. B&W PM1. Wharfedale EVO 4.2 on dedicated stands. Aurealis Audio Litz speaker cables and Dragon Litz IC and Litz jumpers on the MA and Wharfedale speakers. 1
Cafad Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 OK, any more westerners interested? Last call or they head down to SA.
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted December 23, 2020 Volunteer Posted December 23, 2020 Any reports from the field?
Cafad Posted December 24, 2020 Posted December 24, 2020 Nothing detailed. It is a bad time of the year for spare time.
Jones99 Posted December 24, 2020 Posted December 24, 2020 Apologies I have the XOTs . Time of year and I have also have had a few distractions in my system in quite a few power cords(Ascension,Valhalla V2, Analysis Plus Ultimate etc) through the system which has curtailed me having a steady benchmark to listen to the XOTs . Will leave Ascension's and Valhalla V2 in and report back my findings soon...
Jones99 Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) Being a little cautious and protective I did a few measurements on the XOTs They measure 40 Mohms each way . Capacitance was 0.15nF (150pF)polarity aligned and runs away when not polarity conscious. Diode measurement came up with nothing Normal speakers would have inductance due to speakers coils in parallel with the capacitance ......the Ribbon panels of the Pendragons are purely resistive. Being overly cautious and not wanting to possibly turn the Mephisto Solos into welders and destroying the Ribbon panels I have chickened out..... If anyone wants to try PM me and I will send on. Edited December 28, 2020 by Jones99 error correct
Ittaku Posted December 28, 2020 Author Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) On 28/12/2020 at 3:01 AM, Jones99 said: Capacitance was 15nF polarity aligned and runs away when not polarity conscious. Expand That's funny, I measured picoFarads when I had them. Perhaps they've changed over time. Maybe they're burning in! Or maybe out. Or maybe the lump of coal inside has moved. Edited December 28, 2020 by Ittaku 1
Jones99 Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 On 28/12/2020 at 3:03 AM, Ittaku said: That's funny, I measured picoFarads when I had them. Perhaps they've changed over time. Maybe they're burning in! Or maybe out. Or maybe the lump of coal inside has moved. Expand oops 0.15nF ......150picoF will correct original reading.....coal still intact 1
cyberkank Posted February 2, 2021 Posted February 2, 2021 Tried the SR XOT on my speakers (Spendor Classic 200) and I didn't notice any difference in sound. However, my speakers are "tri-wire" configuration and there was only 2 XOTs so it is likely that it doesn't play well with this configuration unless you have all XOTs on all available binding posts. Unfortunately in this case we do not have 6 to try out on my system. So took it over to my friend's house as his speakers have single pair of binding posts. We tried it doing A/B comparison. There was certainly a change in sound signature in his setup, 3 pairs of ears and all noticed the differences with and without the XOT. However, the kicker is that the changes weren't for the better. We noticed the sound became a bit more "mechanical", it seems to lose a bit of musicality. The highs seems to be a bit more extended and forced and become slightly brittle and edgy. I find that the flow of music also gets affected a bit, it lost a bit of the RPAT that makes the music a bit more engaging. I find myself disengaging with the music not far into the session when the XOT is on. In that session, we have definitively decided we all preferred the sound of the setup without the XOT. With that said, the speakers did have Berrylium tweeter, so maybe on a much warmer setup it may be a different story. I am not discounting the device entirely as I can see that there is possibility this device suits setup that need a bit sizzle / sparkles. So overall, little bit disappointed with the XOT as the previously SR products have provided good SQ improvement in my setup. I think this concludes the XOT tour and it will be going back to @Cafad 2
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted February 2, 2021 Volunteer Posted February 2, 2021 On 02/02/2021 at 11:18 PM, cyberkank said: I think this concludes the XOT tour and it will be going back to @Cafad Expand Big shout out to @Cafad for being so generous with these 1
Pops110 Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 On 02/02/2021 at 11:49 PM, sir sanders zingmore said: Big shout out to @Cafad for being so generous with these Expand Yep definitely, thanks @Cafad. Really appreciate it mate.
Cafad Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 Thanks guys. Really though, this "tour" was just something that started and grew with increased interest. There was no plan to begin with. I do like that it resulted in quite a few of us being able to directly talk about something that all of us had tried with our own systems. There should be more of that in this hobby. 8
keinesorge Posted February 5, 2021 Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) Have you guys seen this ? Reference: https://6moons.com/audioreviews/ring/ring.html If you went to Altronics you could just build one for a few dollars. Minus the nice casing. The internal component values and polarity are on shows on the website. @cyberkank I diy'd one some time ago according to the "recipe" on 6moons. The results were similar to yours. I'm running a different setup now and will rebuild the unit to try. Hopefully it can bring something nice to the mix. Edited February 5, 2021 by keinesorge 1
bob_m_54 Posted February 5, 2021 Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) On 05/02/2021 at 1:00 AM, keinesorge said: Have you guys seen this ? Reference: https://6moons.com/audioreviews/ring/ring.html If you went to Altronics you could just build one for a few dollars. Minus the nice casing. The internal component values and polarity are on shows on the website. @cyberkank I diy'd one some time ago according to the "recipe" on 6moons. The results were similar to yours. I'm running a different setup now and will rebuild the unit to try. Hopefully it can bring something nice to the mix. Expand Plumbing section at bunnings will help you out there. Or just go the PVC pipe, satin black paint, and some carbon fibre patterned adhesive film. Edited February 5, 2021 by bob_m_54 spelling
TerryO Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 Well at least Australia Post gained something positive out of this little exercise if nothing else. ....
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