andyr Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 Why do you want shielded cable if it's in-wall, @mageak?
mageak Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 20 minutes ago, andyr said: Why do you want shielded cable if it's in-wall, @mageak? why not? solar inverter other power cables. phone line. ethernet. rats. possums. more shield more protection.
andyr Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 9 hours ago, mageak said: why not? solar inverter Solar inverter causes noise in the actual power wires - the shield only stops external EMI/RFI from getting into the wires. 9 hours ago, mageak said: more shield more protection. If you say so.
bob_m_54 Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 33 minutes ago, andyr said: the shield only stops external EMI/RFI from getting into the wires. Actually it's more effective at stopping EMI/RFI getting out of power cables.. As you say, it's pretty pointless on a power cable in a wall. Unless of course that cable is supplying a big variable drive machine. 3
mageak Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 hi. im not after a debate or science or proof. for me i put this in as my system. everything has made a change some bigger than others. i can A B test with another socket which is not isolated with basic power cable. it sounds worse to me. the power cable in wall biggest difference was more punch power and bass energy. main system... power is a gigawatt Circuit Breaker G-16A. LCY-EVO evo 3x4 in wall cable good quality high grade copper outlet gigawatt pc 3 se evo+ power conditioner stillpoint mini x4 underneath. akiko triple ac in first plug. silent angel forester f2 powered by voodoo air dragon with 2 dc silver snowy white cables powering Silent Angel bonn nx with qsa red fuse Silent Angel bonn gx clock i have cms cs2m .8 under that stack. merging power + player powered by voodoo phoenix with 3x ultra 6 plus base 2 x qsa violet fuses purist audio xlr corvus vitus sia 025 intergrated powered by voodoo air dragon. atm i have ss v2 x4 under but was going to put my 3 x ultra 5 with bases under it qsa red fuse purist audio neptune speaker cable magico s5 mk1 standard spike feet 2
bob_m_54 Posted October 26, 2023 Posted October 26, 2023 On 25/10/2023 at 9:58 AM, mageak said: hi. im not after a debate or science or proof. for me i put this in as my system. everything has made a change some bigger than others. i can A B test with another socket which is not isolated with basic power cable. it sounds worse to me. the power cable in wall biggest difference was more punch power and bass energy. main system... power is a gigawatt Circuit Breaker G-16A. LCY-EVO evo 3x4 in wall cable good quality high grade copper outlet gigawatt pc 3 se evo+ power conditioner stillpoint mini x4 underneath. akiko triple ac in first plug. silent angel forester f2 powered by voodoo air dragon with 2 dc silver snowy white cables powering Silent Angel bonn nx with qsa red fuse Silent Angel bonn gx clock i have cms cs2m .8 under that stack. merging power + player powered by voodoo phoenix with 3x ultra 6 plus base 2 x qsa violet fuses purist audio xlr corvus vitus sia 025 intergrated powered by voodoo air dragon. atm i have ss v2 x4 under but was going to put my 3 x ultra 5 with bases under it qsa red fuse purist audio neptune speaker cable magico s5 mk1 standard spike feet It's all good, and helps to keep the economy ticking over... 1 2
Addicted to music Posted October 26, 2023 Posted October 26, 2023 On 24/1/2021 at 8:27 PM, robbee said: True, there could be all sorts of noisy crap on the supply line but if your not hearing it when listening to your system then all good. The power transformer inside your amp and the filtering caps do a great job of filtering any crud and once it's converted to DC voltage inside your amp it is clean with no noise. 100% spot on, this is where the money is. The rest of this thread is this: 11 hours ago, bob_m_54 said: It's all good, and helps to keep the economy ticking over... 2 1
mageak Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) if anyone is in adelaide and wants to come have a listen. send me a pm. proof is in the pudding i spent the money. you can see if you can hear any of the tweaks i made. some amps control noise better than others. have a good w/e Edited October 28, 2023 by mageak 1
mfforever Posted October 27, 2023 Author Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) hey mageak ............ that cable looks really good , but would love to know the brand / maker so I can track it down ....... if VAF thinks it's good, then I couldn't think of a better recommendation. ........ and the price is great as well. Edited October 27, 2023 by mfforever
Trevm Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 You can ask your electrician to run/install the power feed cable with good separation from other power cables etc, that will effectively do the same thing as a shielded cable in a domestic situation. 1
mageak Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 On 27/10/2023 at 6:48 PM, mfforever said: hey mageak ............ that cable looks really good , but would love to know the brand / maker so I can track it down ....... if VAF thinks it's good, then I couldn't think of a better recommendation. ........ and the price is great as well. simon who sent me that email doesn't work there anymore he never told me the brand but it is certified unlike the gigawatt cable i have which is solid core and is not 1
Addicted to music Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 On 24/10/2023 at 10:19 PM, mageak said: why not? solar inverter other power cables. phone line. ethernet. rats. possums. more shield more protection. Solar PV generate pure DC, so they are not noisy, neither are the wires that conducts it, it goes direct to an inverter that converts it to AC and it’s feed to the mains via various methods such as phase correction etc. 2ndly shielded cables won’t prevent pest getting to the wires. Before 2005 most cables where made from insulating materials that did not degrade, after that point, most cable manufacturers for general domestic and auto use, are implementing organic compounds to the insulators so it degrades when placed in landfill. This has caused many issues, however Toyota US had proven in court that the rate of cable damage before and after this implementation wasn’t conclusive, there for the case against them for using electrical wiring with organic material was dropped, stopping billions $$ law suit. Regardless, if pest are going to chomp on that wire they will.
Sounding Posted November 3, 2023 Posted November 3, 2023 So it finally happened. Electrician came today, replaced the switchboard, now I have RCD on all circuits. Ran a new circuit, a 6mm power cable from the meter box direct to the hifi gear. Cable was routed under the house - all other existing cables are in the ceiling and come down the walls. Interestingly it’s an orange round 6mm cable, not the flat white 6mm I have seen elsewhere. New power points were installed. One question - advice on power points. These are standard Clipsal as provided by electrician. Is there a better sort to acquire or is this as good as any? So. First impressions. I don’t know whether I am kidding myself or there is a real change, but things seem, for want of a more defining description, more precise. Electrician showed me the voltage drop issue. In the kitchen - standard 2.5mm power cable - with the coffee machine in action, 230 volts. On the new circuit, 243 volts. Anyway, a few photos from todays fun. 1
Trevm Posted November 3, 2023 Posted November 3, 2023 Good idea! Someone needs to develop "audiophile spec" power outlets! If people are silly enough to spend money on power cables could be a nice market there. 1
PeterB7858 Posted November 3, 2023 Posted November 3, 2023 8 hours ago, Sounding said: One question - advice on power points. These are standard Clipsal as provided by electrician. Is there a better sort to acquire or is this as good as any? I asked my electrician to put in the best power point he could find and he installed a Hager. It does seem a cut above the standard power point in my house. Beautiful tight fit on the Furutech plugs. And whilst we are showing switchboard pics, here's my new switchboard - all Hager RCBOs . And SQ being more "precise" is a good description. Less noise, I think.
Bass13 Posted November 3, 2023 Posted November 3, 2023 Some nice setups in here, hopefully it gives you what you wanted...Do as you like, its your money. Just to put a smile back on people's face's... Thinking about going the whole Hog myself.... It might cook my gear with this direct line thou.. 2
Godot Posted November 3, 2023 Posted November 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Bass13 said: Some nice setups in here, hopefully it gives you what you wanted...Do as you like, its your money. Just to put a smile back on people's face's... Thinking about going the whole Hog myself.... It might cook my gear with this direct line thou.. This opens up another whole can of worms/ massive rabbit hole vortex. What transformer oil to use, old school mineral oil or a synthetic, each has their own effect on sound quality. Not to mention lab based sample testing to ensure optimal performance. 1 1
mageak Posted November 4, 2023 Posted November 4, 2023 this is a clipsal 56 with NO power switch so its either on plugged in or off not plugged in. definitely better copper.
andyr Posted November 4, 2023 Posted November 4, 2023 1 hour ago, mageak said: this is a clipsal 56 with NO power switch so it's either on plugged in or off not plugged in. definitely better copper. Perhaps you forgot to show us the pic?
mfforever Posted November 10, 2023 Author Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) Finally finished ....... installed one dedicated audio line to main fuse box ..... only Australian certified components and a good young sparky who did a really clean job....... Installed the following , which is all pretty well standard . - 4 mm orange electrical wire ...... kept away from other under house wiring - Clipsal 15 A double powerpoint which looks like the standard cheap powerpoint but was about $100 and has a great bulldog grip on your power cords ........ did not go for the Clipsal 56 powerpoint as , in the end, it is in our dining room and the Clipsal 56 was a bit too industrial amongst 1890 Japanese Tansu and 1950s Danish dining chairs . ( hey.... is this an audio sell-out ? ....... guilty as charged ! ) - dedicated standard Hager circuit breaker - no separate earth stake for the audio circuit BUT as my home is really old it was the first time I had an earth stake installed ..... previously was a really corroded grip onto the water pipes. - plugged the Musical Fidelity TriVista 300 amp directly into one of the power outlets and the DAC and streamer into the Isotec power board ...... the Musical Fidelity has a massive power supply section so it needs no filtering. AND THE RESULT ? ............. drumroll .... Both my wife ( who has better listening ears than me ) and I agreed it was worth it ........... after installation, we played about 20 of our favourite audio songs/ testing tracks ............ I was expecting a " maybe / probably / perhaps " result BUT that was not the case. .................. we could hear an improvement ...... .................. NO, there was no " lifting of the veil moment " but it WAS discernibly better....... the bass was more defined and cleaner, there was more air overall and there was a bit more dark silence between notes ..... I would say it was like when you paid for a better interconnect and you could really hear better performance. I believe it was worth it in terms of SQ .............. at worst, you will have nice new connections that will pose no unexpected threats to your precious system............ but at best you will a discernible SQ improvement that will last your lifetime .......... I found a boost equivalent to a major interconnect / speaker cable upgrade of the $1000 I paid for the wiring. SOOOOOO. ....... this is the end of this particular audio journey for me ........... I really do thank all of the amazing, generous Stereonutters out there who have contributed their experience and knowledge to guide me to a very satisfying conclusion ...... love this Forum....... over and out . Edited November 10, 2023 by mfforever 5
andyr Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, mfforever said: Finally finished ....... installed one dedicated audio line to main fuse box ..... only Australian certified components and a good young sparky who did a really clean job....... Installed the following , which is all pretty well standard . - 4 mm orange electrical wire ...... kept away from other under house wiring - Clipsal 15 A double powerpoint which looks like the standard cheap powerpoint but was about $100 and has a great bulldog grip on your power cords ........ did not go for the Clipsal 56 powerpoint as , in the end, it is in our dining room and the Clipsal 56 was a bit too industrial amongst 1890 Japanese Tansu and 1950s Danish dining chairs . ( hey.... is this an audio sell-out ? ....... guilty as charged ! ) - dedicated standard Hager circuit breaker - no separate earth stake for the audio circuit BUT as my home is really old it was the first time I had an earth stake installed ..... previously was a really corroded grip onto the water pipes. - plugged the Musical Fidelity TriVista 300 amp directly into one of the power outlets and the DAC and streamer into the Isotec power board ...... the Musical Fidelity has a massive power supply section so it needs no filtering. AND THE RESULT ? ............. drumroll .... Both my wife ( who has better listening ears than me ) and I agreed it was worth it ........... after installation, we played about 20 of our favourite audio songs/ testing tracks ............ I was expecting a " maybe / probably / perhaps " result BUT that was not the case. .................. we could hear an improvement ...... .................. NO, there was no " lifting of the veil moment " but it WAS discernibly better....... the bass was more defined and cleaner, there was more air overall and there was a bit more dark silence between notes ..... I would say it was like when you paid for a better interconnect and you could really hear better performance. I believe it was worth it in terms of SQ .............. at worst, you will have nice new connections that will pose no unexpected threats to your precious system............ but at best you will a discernible SQ improvement that will last your lifetime .......... I found a boost equivalent to a major interconnect / speaker cable upgrade of the $1000 I paid for the wiring. SOOOOOO. ....... this is the end of this particular audio journey for me ........... I really do thank all of the amazing, generous Stereonutters out there who have contributed their experience and knowledge to guide me to a very satisfying conclusion ...... love this Forum....... over and out . Nah ... you realise, mff - that if there aren't any before-and-after measurements ... then you're just blowing smoke! Edited November 11, 2023 by andyr
Sounding Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 1 hour ago, mfforever said: - 4 mm orange electrical wire ...... kept away from other under house wiring Congrats! I did the same but with 6mm It is surprising isn’t it! Sure is nice when the wife notices the difference too, sort of vindicates the decision to spend. Ours included a completely new switch box for the house as there wasn’t space for another RCD, all new Hager RCD’s for all circuits, and the audio circuit including four double GPO installs. Between $1500 and $2000. I am still impressed with the change. The best description I have for it now is a “cleaner” sound. I went with the 6mm because of my planned amp upgrade. All in good time… 2
mfforever Posted November 11, 2023 Author Posted November 11, 2023 Hey andyr........ you could be right, but I'm liking the smoke. 1
bob_m_54 Posted November 11, 2023 Posted November 11, 2023 14 hours ago, andyr said: Nah ... you realise, mff - that if there aren't any before-and-after measurements ... then you're just blowing smoke! Would that could definitely change your perception. LOL
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