Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted February 22, 2021 Volunteer Posted February 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, gibbo9000 said: 58 minutes ago, sir sanders zingmore said: I think @gibbo9000 may have mentioned something about this earlier and i agree (Power handling) Somehow it seems as if you've "EQ'ed" that quote so that it looks like I said it 3
Topman_Chief Posted February 22, 2021 Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, BugPowderDust said: Believe it or not, a lot of the harder styles of dance music lay about 3-5 kicks together and frequently use things like low passed closed hi hats to give that kick that makes them seem like they are just jumping out of the speaker. That's really interesting stuff to learn. It's a shame that the Venn diagram of electronic music lovers and audiophiles doesn't overlap much, because it does sound amazing on a good system. 1
Satanica Posted February 22, 2021 Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, gibbo9000 said: Will do some testing around the 150Hz 'punch' theory. I do remember when setting up sub at 80 Hz crossover or lower, I ran Dirac boost of 4db up to around 300Hz to get a sound that felt balanced and punchy. The sub also unloads the Kii bass drivers and allows overall increase in SPL before limiting cuts in (well above my view of loud, loud listening) Hi gibbo, since acquiring a setup similar to yours [Digital Crossover speakers with miniDSP SHD and subwoofer(s)] I've been playing around more lately with potential curves. So, I've been thinking of starting a thread where we can display and upload our frequency response Curves. For me it would be based on Dirac Live but would I wouldn't care if other platforms were included. Edited February 22, 2021 by Satanica
firedog Posted February 22, 2021 Posted February 22, 2021 Just did some experimenting: alternated adding peaks of 3,5, and 8db at 150hz. Sure I heard the difference, but that didn't give what I 'd call punch or slam. For that, I think you need to move more air than these smaller boxes can do. 2
gibbo9000 Posted February 23, 2021 Author Posted February 23, 2021 On 22/02/2021 at 5:50 PM, Satanica said: So, I've been thinking of starting a thread where we can display and upload our frequency response Curves. For me it would be based on Dirac Live but would I wouldn't care if other platforms were included. Good idea. To me Dirac is complicated enough when done well so perhaps keep focussed. Quite a bit in one of the NAD discussions as well from what I recall. Here we will keep trying to understand where 'punch' comes from!
GregWormald Posted February 23, 2021 Posted February 23, 2021 Gulp! Just ordered a set of SGR MT3.2 in Porsche jet black metallic finish. They are about 6 to 8 weeks away. Active of course with all controls in the analogue domain so I don't have to digitise my LPs. They will take some time setting up and then some enjoyable listening. To be continued in the SGR owners section. 3
wikeeboy Posted February 23, 2021 Posted February 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, GregWormald said: Gulp! Just ordered a set of SGR MT3.2 in Porsche jet black metallic finish. They are about 6 to 8 weeks away. Active of course with all controls in the analogue domain so I don't have to digitise my LPs. They will take some time setting up and then some enjoyable listening. To be continued in the SGR owners section. Congrats! Mighty speakers. Make sure you show us some pics. No issue with those puppies giving you all the slam and punch you need
MrBurns84 Posted February 23, 2021 Posted February 23, 2021 On 22/02/2021 at 8:50 PM, firedog said: Just did some experimenting: alternated adding peaks of 3,5, and 8db at 150hz. Sure I heard the difference, but that didn't give what I 'd call punch or slam. For that, I think you need to move more air than these smaller boxes can do. There's no replacement for displacement 1
BugPowderDust Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 If I didn't already have a set of Barefoot Micro Mains, these wouldn't be for sale at this price:
anandpkumar Posted March 29, 2021 Posted March 29, 2021 19 minutes ago, wikeeboy said: This should be fun, let the comparisons begin Congratulations, just in time before the Easter holidays! These the Buchardt S400s?
gibbo9000 Posted March 29, 2021 Author Posted March 29, 2021 18 hours ago, anandpkumar said: These the Buchardt S400s? The box seems to say White A500's . . . . . . . . . 2
wikeeboy Posted March 29, 2021 Posted March 29, 2021 1 minute ago, gibbo9000 said: The box seems to say White A500's . . . . . . . . . Correct 1
anandpkumar Posted March 29, 2021 Posted March 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, wikeeboy said: Correct My bad - meant to say A500. How to they sound? and pictures too......think you're the first here to get your hands on these
wikeeboy Posted March 29, 2021 Posted March 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, anandpkumar said: My bad - meant to say A500. How to they sound? and pictures too......think you're the first here to get your hands on these Box opening pics here... Had a heap of fun listening to them this morning, but trying to reserve judgment till they've had some run in time being completely new speakers. 2
Ray H Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 (edited) My set of Dynaudio 60XD arrived and I have finally got a chance to have a quick listen tonight. some basic, initial thoughts below. I will amend the points as the speakers run in; 1. They offer a very big soundstage horizontally and vertically. 2. Because of point 1 they have a very big soundstage and the speakers do a very good job of disappearing, despite their size, which is very impressive. 3. The soundstage does not yet portray significant front to depth detail (this will likely change with positioning and burn in). 4. Despite the disappearing act, there is a noticeable cabinet resonance to the sound (especially noticeable if you are used to Kii3 & BXT). In saying this it does not significantly impact on tone or clarity. 5. Positioning and separation of sounds/instruments is very well done. 6. The bass currently displays as ultra clean with reasonable depth, but slightly limited upper bass punch. 7. The tweeter is definitely the best implementation of an Esotec+ I have heard. It is definitely brighter than an esotar. I had to turn it down a notch on the crossover. There have been some that have preferred the extra brightness or bite that the Esotec has compared to the Esotar and I can understand this now. My hope is that the tweeter will smooth out with burn in but retain the bite (knowing what burn in does to Dynaudio drivers, I would be surprised if this isnt the case after a couple of weeks). 8. ( new point) Because of the extra bit of the tweeter, they are actually pretty good at low level listening, which is quite rare for Dynaudio’s, often they need to be turned up to come alive (so to speak.). Interestingly, compared to my Kii3 & BXT, amazingly I would say the soundstage in a two dimensional sense (given the lack of front to back staging) is bigger than the Kii’s. The other main differences are the Kii system offers significantly greater detail retrieval, dynamics and bass. Am I happy with the Dyn’s, yes very happy so far, noting their discounted price they are truly exceptional value. Edited March 30, 2021 by Ray H 9
Snoopy8 Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 An interesting and detailed user review of the Dutch & Dutch 8C in an apartment. https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/62373-apartment-audiophile-a-‘subjective’-review-of-dd-8c-speakers-for-pop-electronic-and-rock-music-fans/ 3
Tony B Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 (edited) @Ray HThanks for the feedback. I'm very tempted to buy a pair myself as Class A have a pair left in grey oak. I don't need them but at the discounted price it's hard to resist. I'm a sucker for Dynaudio, I must resist! Edited March 30, 2021 by Tony B 2 1
Snoopy8 Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 15 hours ago, Ray H said: My set of Dynaudio 60XD arrived and I have finally got a chance to have a quick listen tonight. some basic, initial thoughts below. I will amend the points as the speakers run in; 1. They offer a very big soundstage horizontally and vertically. 2. Because of point 1 they have a very big soundstage and the speakers do a very good job of disappearing, despite their size, which is very impressive. 3. The soundstage does not yet portray significant front to depth detail (this will likely change with positioning and burn in). 4. Despite the disappearing act, there is a noticeable cabinet resonance to the sound (especially noticeable if you are used to Kii3 & BXT). In saying this it does not significantly impact on tone or clarity. 5. Positioning and separation of sounds/instruments is very well done. 6. The bass currently displays as ultra clean with reasonable depth, but slightly limited upper bass punch. 7. The tweeter is definitely the best implementation of an Esotec+ I have heard. It is definitely brighter than an esotar. I had to turn it down a notch on the crossover. There have been some that have preferred the extra brightness or bite that the Esotec has compared to the Esotar and I can understand this now. My hope is that the tweeter will smooth out with burn in but retain the bite (knowing what burn in does to Dynaudio drivers, I would be surprised if this isnt the case after a couple of weeks). 8. ( new point) Because of the extra bit of the tweeter, they are actually pretty good at low level listening, which is quite rare for Dynaudio’s, often they need to be turned up to come alive (so to speak.). Interestingly, compared to my Kii3 & BXT, amazingly I would say the soundstage in a two dimensional sense (given the lack of front to back staging) is bigger than the Kii’s. The other main differences are the Kii system offers significantly greater detail retrieval, dynamics and bass. Am I happy with the Dyn’s, yes very happy so far, noting their discounted price they are truly exceptional value. Thank you for the review. The sale pricing is certainly tempting. Curious what streamer, DAC, preamp combo you are using? And I assume you are using the same to feed the Kii Three?
Ray H Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 30 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said: Thank you for the review. The sale pricing is certainly tempting. Curious what streamer, DAC, preamp combo you are using? And I assume you are using the same to feed the Kii Three? hi Snoopy; With the Kii system I am using the Innuos Zenith MKiii via USB. With the 60XD I am using the matrix audio element x streamer/dac/preamp from my headphone setup. I can’t use the the Innuos with the 60XD as I don’t have the hub with the USB input. The 60XD minus the hub have coax or analogue rca only so I can’t use the Innuos with them. 1
BugPowderDust Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 On 29/03/2021 at 3:29 PM, wikeeboy said: This should be fun, let the comparisons begin Will be interested to see your feedback but I reckon the Genelecs are going to whomp them.
Snoopy8 Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 Been curious about how the the Buchardt A500 does its measuring & tuning. https://www.buchardtaudio.com/a500-detailed-description The Buchardt process makes it much easier for a person not familiar with measuring and DSP to do things. Just get an iPhone, download app and make broad sweeps of the room and it is done. No need to know about boundary effect, room modes, PEQs etc... And the Master Tunings is their way to allow for tweaking. It opens up advanced DSP for the masses, without needing to know and understand what it is and how to do it. To me, this is the key breakthrough that Buchardt have delivered, all in a simple setup at a relatively low price. Now that the first units have landed on our shores, looking forward to the feedback and reviews.
davewantsmoore Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Snoopy8 said: Just get an iPhone, download app and make broad sweeps of the room and it is done. I am really interested in this technology ..... I'm a firm believer in needing to target some/most products to the "masses" .... although any market (mass vs audiophile) is hard to break into for small players. Edited March 31, 2021 by davewantsmoore
davewantsmoore Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 On 22/02/2021 at 2:39 PM, sir sanders zingmore said: I know this is probably off topic but I reckon people think the "punch" or "slam' frequency is a lot lower than it actually is. To me it's always about mid to upper-bass rather than low bass Yes. ... and this frequency range is where there are typically huge holes in the response, and moving the speakers or listener a small amount will move that hole around (and measurement resolution is typically low). So we can tricked into thinking this or that has more "slam" or better bass, or presence or whatever ....... but often it's not really (just) the speaker. That being said, there is a lot to be said for a dipole/cardiod (ie. more constant directivity) response at "low" (<<1000hz) frequencies. I use a large open baffle woofer in my system for that purpose..... and an interested in designing compact speakers like the Kii Three, etc. where there is a cardiod -> dipole -> monopole transition.
pops9745 Posted April 1, 2021 Posted April 1, 2021 On 31/03/2021 at 10:48 AM, Ray H said: hi Snoopy; With the Kii system I am using the Innuos Zenith MKiii via USB. With the 60XD I am using the matrix audio element x streamer/dac/preamp from my headphone setup. I can’t use the the Innuos with the 60XD as I don’t have the hub with the USB input. The 60XD minus the hub have coax or analogue rca only so I can’t use the Innuos with them. Hi Ray, Would I be right in saying it looks like you are using the anologue rcas at the moment? Have you tried the digital ones at all?
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