Snoopy8 Posted March 8, 2021 Posted March 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, BugPowderDust said: I need to check out the new Tears For Fears (for Woman In Chains), but to be honest, much of the stuff on there is "old man" music that never did it for me first time around. While I can appreciate the Pink Floyd's, Genesis etc, I've always preferred far edgier music. However, I think it's unlikely we'll get an Atmos remix of McLusky Do Dallas, Loveless (that would be epic) or Spiderland any time soon Old man music! But they are the ones with the money and willing to shell it out for good multi channel music re-releases. Edgier music = younger set who grew up on ripped MP3s. I wonder whether there is any market demand ? And willing to pay the hefty premium? Yello Atmos is not cheap, so wonder how many people here actually bought it? 1
BugPowderDust Posted March 8, 2021 Posted March 8, 2021 haha I think I'm younger than a lot of people one here but I still grew up surrounded by a lot of music before the time of Mp3 (encoding MP3s only really started as a possibility in my third year of uni in 1995). Everything that can be lossless, is in this house. That said, you can have edgier music without it having to be on Mp3s. I still think the most edgy and fertile period of music EVER is the post punk period from 1979 to about 1983. So much unique music with no real definition getting released and bought happened in that time. My favourite music listening period for sure. If you ever get a moment, this is a great read on the topic: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/272642.Rip_it_Up_and_Start_Again 1
cafe67 Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) @BugPowderDust and others The Mark Reeder 5.1 compilation is pretty/very good and can be found pretty cheap in physical format. Obviously you need to like tbe style of music. But its well put togethet. https://www.amazon.com.au/FIVE-POINT-ONE-CD-DVD/dp/B0060DH414 Edited March 13, 2021 by cafe67
BugPowderDust Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 Thanks for the heads up @cafe67. I got the three Tears for Fears albums on Bluray this week. I expect to play them tomorrow and will report back on findings 1
jonooo Posted March 14, 2021 Posted March 14, 2021 This is a very interesting topic and I've wondered for a while why it doesn't get talked about more and why there isn't more music produced for atmos or in the very least 5.1 as so many people have that these days. Can anyone tell me how important the quality of the surround and top speakers are for immersive music. I know for cinema anything beyond the front two is generally given lower budget and consideration, I was wondering if this affects listening to these albums?
Guest niterida Posted March 14, 2021 Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, jonooo said: This is a very interesting topic and I've wondered for a while why it doesn't get talked about more and why there isn't more music produced for atmos or in the very least 5.1 as so many people have that these days. Can anyone tell me how important the quality of the surround and top speakers are for immersive music. I know for cinema anything beyond the front two is generally given lower budget and consideration, I was wondering if this affects listening to these albums? "for cinema anything beyond the front two is generally given lower budget and consideration" This is old school way of thinking. Having all identical speakers will improve the experience significantly. In fact even for HT Dolby recommends running all identical and full range speakers. My HT had Mordaunt Short towers for L&R, MS standmounts for C and Surrounds and MS 4.5" bookshelf for rear surround and Atmos, all apart from the centre were from the same series and the surrounds were identical drivers and tweeters to the L&R towers. I then replaced them all with 11 of the 4.5" bookshelfs and the improvement was amazing. The soundfield was so much more cohesive and seamless and speakers just disappeared. Of course it didn't go as loud but I fixed that by replacing all the MS with Wharfedale Pro PA speakers I listen to a lot of electrnoic ambient music and live concert vids, all upmixed to Atmos (or DTS Neural X) and it is just amazing how good it sounds and how good a job the upmixers do. And the real Atmos mixes are even better again. So even though it is not necessary to match your speakers, the closer you can get to identical the better it will sound. Edited March 14, 2021 by niterida
jonooo Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 @niterida Thank you for taking the time to reply. It's good to see some forward thinking in the audio community and it definitely provides some food for thought around upgrading in future. I am wondering a couple things if you don't mind answering. 1. Some speakers have a narrower listening field while some are larger is narrower better for accuracy and atmos? 2. Why P.A. speakers aren't they normally loudness over accuracy? 3. What are you using to upmix is it just your AVR or is there some specialty equipment for that? Thanks again, Jono P.S. Have you listened to the new bicep album?
betty boop Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 On 14/03/2021 at 8:08 PM, jonooo said: Can anyone tell me how important the quality of the surround and top speakers are for immersive music. I know for cinema anything beyond the front two is generally given lower budget and consideration, I was wondering if this affects listening to these albums? I agree with niterida, as old thinking went with surround sound going back to dolby prologic days.. where surround speakers were for ambience and effects... some folks havent changed their paradigm of thinking but with current object based formats and even with the upmixing possible these days the WHOLE speaker set is now being used to steer sound around the room to create a 3D sound field... no longer are speakers just for effects... and more speakers help with joining the dots and more accurately placing in space ...speakers will usually still only be crossed over at 80hz or so...so not essential to have big massive driver speakers in the ceilings in my opinion. 6" speakers are fine... but still important is the quality of these ... good news is most brands have in ceiling speakers now to match and in different price points. and if cant match then there are good quality reasonably neutral sounding brands like krix which will match in with most things
Guest niterida Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 6 hours ago, jonooo said: @niterida Thank you for taking the time to reply. It's good to see some forward thinking in the audio community and it definitely provides some food for thought around upgrading in future. I am wondering a couple things if you don't mind answering. 1. Some speakers have a narrower listening field while some are larger is narrower better for accuracy and atmos? 2. Why P.A. speakers aren't they normally loudness over accuracy? 3. What are you using to upmix is it just your AVR or is there some specialty equipment for that? Thanks again, Jono P.S. Have you listened to the new bicep album? 1. Narrower or wider isn't the issue - its how far off-axis any listener is and then whether the speakers off-axis response is any good. In other words if the farthest listener is 30deg off-axis and your speaker has good response to 45deg then it will sound good, but if the speaker only has good response to 20deg then it won't sound good. If your farthest listener is only 15deg off-axis will narrow dispersion speakers sound better than wide dispersion ? That I can't answer as I have no experience to compare to. Might make an interesting google search or discussion topic though 2. AFAIK PA speakers are loud and vocally accurate - which is 2 things you want in a HT. All I know is they sound great in my room. 3. Upmixing from 2.0 or 5.1 to Atmos ? Any AVR that has Atmos also has DSU - Dolby Surround Upmixer. P.S. Haven't heard of, or heard, the Bicep album - I assume it is in Atmos ? Is it on Tidal - might have to get a 30 day trial and have a listen if it is.
jonooo Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 @betty boop Thank you for this it really is fascinating what they are able to do with sound these days @niterida Thank you for the response I am new into the audiophile world and until recently hadn't given much thought about anything more than 2.1 and have only recently installed rear speakers but I find this discussion fascinating and it will definitely help guide my future purchasing decisions. As for bicep no its not Atmos its minimalist tech house(?) which I would think would lend itself well to upmixing ttps://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0EBaf8V4eTQUrh1Hq4s5ESj_k-sVWUl1 1
cafe67 Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 New JM Jarre Amazonia album had been released in various formats including binaural for headphones and 5.1. I’ve only heard a few snippets off you tube , so can’t comment on the music itself. Fairly detailed review here https://magicvinyldigital.net/2021/04/11/jean-michel-jarre-amazonia-review/ 1
68premier Posted April 27, 2021 Posted April 27, 2021 I listened to the first four tracks of the Yello Atmos mix last night. I only have a 4.2 ch set up. No height channels. OMG!!! I didn't know my system could sound like that lol! Very deep clean bass. The surround effect is great. I'm a bit of a surround sound fan boy it has to be said. I like the way that the sound doesn't sound like it's coming directly from the speakers, but seems to come from a space in between at times. My new stand out show off disc for sure. Looks like height channels are next on the upgrade agenda. 1
68premier Posted April 27, 2021 Posted April 27, 2021 I just wish I could get atmos files to work from Tidal. Unfortunately I lack the hardware.
Snoopy8 Posted April 27, 2021 Posted April 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, homerlovesbeer said: Yep I've just received the Tidal Hi-fi Plus member email so eager to try this out. It's there a Tidal list of Atmos music? Search for Atmos.
Snoopy8 Posted May 2, 2021 Posted May 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, homerlovesbeer said: Listening to some tracks the vocals are heavily centre channel, no stereo seperation at all. I'm not sure I like that. Suggest you check your AVR settings and that you are playing the Atmos track. There should be music all round.
Snoopy8 Posted May 2, 2021 Posted May 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, homerlovesbeer said: Oh there is music all around and it sounds great however the primary vocal track is very centre channel centric which does lose a bit of the lovely vocal sound. It sounds more like movie dialogue. It all depends on how they produce it and there is no set formula. Sorry to hear you do not like it...
Guest niterida Posted June 9, 2021 Posted June 9, 2021 On 02/05/2021 at 5:47 PM, homerlovesbeer said: Oh there is music all around and it sounds great however the primary vocal track is very centre channel centric which does lose a bit of the lovely vocal sound. It sounds more like movie dialogue. Isn't that what you want ? There is only one singer so there voice should only come from one spot - I know that's how I like mine to sound. Even when an instrument is in stereo and coming from L&R I think it sounds weird and should only be on the L or R - depending on where they were when it was recorded. In other words I want it to sound like there are separate musicians and singers on stage in front of me. Some recordings do that - most don't
68premier Posted July 2, 2021 Posted July 2, 2021 On 02/05/2021 at 7:17 PM, homerlovesbeer said: Oh there is music all around and it sounds great however the primary vocal track is very centre channel centric which does lose a bit of the lovely vocal sound. It sounds more like movie dialogue. I don't use a centre channel any more. You could try turning off the centre channel temporarily in your AVR settings and see how that sounds. Sounds fantastic to me. 1
cafe67 Posted July 3, 2021 Posted July 3, 2021 Not atmos , but there’s a 5.1 mix , I’ve had a listen and have it on order. https://burningshed.com/the-grid-fripp_leviathan_cd-dvda 1
tubularbells Posted July 3, 2021 Posted July 3, 2021 18 hours ago, cafe67 said: Not atmos , but there’s a 5.1 mix , I’ve had a listen and have it on order. https://burningshed.com/the-grid-fripp_leviathan_cd-dvda Now this looks interesting. Thanks for the heads up. 1
Cloth Ears Posted July 4, 2021 Posted July 4, 2021 On 03/07/2021 at 1:39 PM, cafe67 said: Not atmos , but there’s a 5.1 mix , I’ve had a listen and have it on order. https://burningshed.com/the-grid-fripp_leviathan_cd-dvda Not in any way related, but been following Fripp (and Toyah) on FB since the pandemic started. Sunday Lunch a must, plus previews of up-comings and his Music for Quiet Moments series. 1
cafe67 Posted July 23, 2021 Posted July 23, 2021 Another(?) 5.1 release , might be of interest to somebody https://store.acousticsounds.com/d/133317/Pink_Floyd-The_Dark_Side_Of_The_Moon-Hybrid_Multichannel_SACD?fbclid=IwAR331N1eGAHz51I0N-cHW3TjtVjqIzJG4V_d42qUG0c8nBBrv1-5DWsjUCI 1
Snoopy8 Posted July 23, 2021 Posted July 23, 2021 25 minutes ago, cafe67 said: Another(?) 5.1 release , might be of interest to somebody https://store.acousticsounds.com/d/133317/Pink_Floyd-The_Dark_Side_Of_The_Moon-Hybrid_Multichannel_SACD?fbclid=IwAR331N1eGAHz51I0N-cHW3TjtVjqIzJG4V_d42qUG0c8nBBrv1-5DWsjUCI I think this is a reissue of the 2003 SACD?
cafe67 Posted July 23, 2021 Posted July 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Snoopy8 said: I think this is a reissue of the 2003 SACD? It might the same as the one in the immersion box set ?
rand129678 Posted July 23, 2021 Posted July 23, 2021 I see it's available on Apple Music in Atmos. Haven't checked Tidal yet. 1
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