MattyW Posted October 2, 2021 Posted October 2, 2021 I'd go so far as to say that it would compete with DAC's 3-4x the price which are themselves giant killers. The $10k Denafrips Terminator Springs to mind. The Abbas units however will improve significantly as you improve the signal they're fed and isolate from electrical noise on the input so there are more upgrades and tweaks should you wish to chase them.
cccrchairman Posted October 2, 2021 Author Posted October 2, 2021 Have any of the Abbas owners here tried an E182CC in the output stage? Interesting comments on the dynamics. Definitely inline with my experience.
MattyW Posted October 2, 2021 Posted October 2, 2021 Still running the tubes mine shipped with. When things are this good, I don't want to mess with it. 1
cccrchairman Posted October 2, 2021 Author Posted October 2, 2021 Thinking some spares could be a good idea. From memory @xlr8or had the tung sol 5687 as the pick.
Artnet Posted October 2, 2021 Posted October 2, 2021 1 minute ago, cccrchairman said: From memory @xlr8or had the tung sol 5687 as the pick. Yep followed his advice on this. Too happy listening now to compare (lazy i know)
cccrchairman Posted October 2, 2021 Author Posted October 2, 2021 I know how you feel. I have a few upgrades ready to go but I am getting so much out of the system as is I end up spending my spare time listening rather than tinkering. 2
gemini07 Posted October 2, 2021 Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, cccrchairman said: I know how you feel. I have a few upgrades ready to go but I am getting so much out of the system as is I end up spending my spare time listening rather than tinkering. That's always a good sign. More time spent listening rather than tinkering with upgrades is a rare situation for audiophiles, IMO. Sort of begs the question as to what the ultimate aim truly is....
xlr8or Posted October 2, 2021 Posted October 2, 2021 2 pairs with 1951 production dates are listed below, but the asking price is way too expensive. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/First-PRODUCTIONS-1941TUNG-SOL-5687-Black-Ribbed-Plates-SQUARE-Getter-TUBES-PAIR-/254996914537 https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/First-PRODUCTIONS-1941TUNG-SOL-5687-Black-Ribbed-Plates-SQUARE-Getter-TUBES-PAIR-/254996915154
Artnet Posted October 2, 2021 Posted October 2, 2021 3 hours ago, cccrchairman said: the tung sol 5687 as the pick Okay so may have been a little keen in my response to your comment, and have gone back to check. I couldn't find black ladder plate and purchased. a tung sol 5687 top D getter at the time to try. Vintage unknown ? Not as early as those ribbed plates. I could still be needing to try this, but they do look expensive and there might be others to try. Did find the other 2 of Kirk's recommendations more easily and really enjoying them. So did you find some black ribbed plates ?
xlr8or Posted October 2, 2021 Posted October 2, 2021 56 minutes ago, Artnet said: Okay so may have been a little keen in my response to your comment, and have gone back to check. I couldn't find black ladder plate and purchased. a tung sol 5687 top D getter at the time to try. Vintage unknown ? Not as early as those ribbed plates. I could still be needing to try this, but they do look expensive and there might be others to try. Did find the other 2 of Kirk's recommendations more easily and really enjoying them. So did you find some black ribbed plates ? The horseshoe getters are highly likely 1953 production. You can find the early vertical frame getters circa 1948 to 1951 I posted above for about $50-100 each. 1
Artnet Posted October 2, 2021 Posted October 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, xlr8or said: The horseshoe getters are highly likely 1953 production. You can find the early vertical frame getters circa 1948 to 1951 I posted above for about $50-100 each. Thank you the one i have doesnt sound bad, but from what i have read and indeed from your self the earlier one is the one to get. The price is encouraging so will keep looking. 1
xlr8or Posted October 2, 2021 Posted October 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Artnet said: Thank you the one i have doesnt sound bad, but from what i have read and indeed from your self the earlier one is the one to get. The price is encouraging so will keep looking. Yes - the ones you have are certainly no slouch. Very very good tubes. The vertical getters do come up as singles on eBay USA from time to time. So yeah - if any come up just keep hoarding. 1
cccrchairman Posted October 2, 2021 Author Posted October 2, 2021 I disappeared down the 5687 rabbit hole for a bit last night. Certainly a lot of discussion online of the various types. I got to getter me some more. 2 1
MattyW Posted October 3, 2021 Posted October 3, 2021 Which tube was it to be used in place of again thanks?
cccrchairman Posted October 3, 2021 Author Posted October 3, 2021 The 5687 / E182CC are interchangeable in output stage for the 4.1. Curious if this also applies to my Abbas phono which also has 5687 as output tube.
xlr8or Posted October 3, 2021 Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) Just confirming the E182CC/7119 and 6900 can substitute the 5687, but IMHO the 5687 is still king. I've tried PW D getter E182CC's and Bendix 6900's. The 1948-1951 Tung-Sol 5687's still come out on top. Edited October 3, 2021 by xlr8or 1
Artnet Posted October 3, 2021 Posted October 3, 2021 29 minutes ago, MattyW said: Ah, gotcha. Not my 2.2SE. What is the spec on the 2.2SE? You could be in the search also. Yep I would check cause looks like on Abbas's site the 2.2SE has a 5687/ EZ35 output stage.
muon* Posted October 3, 2021 Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, MattyW said: Ah, gotcha. Not my 2.2SE. Your output tube is a 5687 Another close pic Edited October 3, 2021 by muon* 3 1
xlr8or Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 On 04/10/2021 at 1:36 AM, muon* said: Your output tube is a 5687 Another close pic Can you please zoom in a little more so we can see the spacing between the grid wires? 2
Lazz Posted October 14, 2021 Posted October 14, 2021 On 02/10/2021 at 1:56 PM, MattyW said: I'd go so far as to say that it would compete with DAC's 3-4x the price which are themselves giant killers. The $10k Denafrips Terminator Springs to mind. Maybe you should do a side by side before making comments like this. I have the termi dac 1 and the difference to other quality dacs i have trialled and owned was huge, a bigger improvement in sound quality that i've ever heard. Not subtle.
MattyW Posted October 14, 2021 Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Lazz said: Maybe you should do a side by side before making comments like this. I have the termi dac 1 and the difference to other quality dacs i have trialled and owned was huge, a bigger improvement in sound quality that i've ever heard. Not subtle. Happy to compare if someone wants to bring their Terminator over. No problem doing that at all. I won’t be splashing the cash for one though just to compare. I’ve certainly heard the same said of the Terminator, yet somehow I think an MSB might just better it. Go figure right?
MattyW Posted October 14, 2021 Posted October 14, 2021 1 minute ago, xlr8or said: @MattyW I can bring Arnie over if you like. Send me the autograph and photos please.
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