rantan Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 If this goes ahead I might just re consider my decision not to buy a streamer. I have tried Apple music, Deezer and Tidal and for various reasons none of them have ever really tempted me to enter the world of streaming. 2
Kaynin Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 A little late to the party for Spotihifi, but better late than never. It's interesting they say higher quality is consistently one of the most requested features. We do tend to comment here that only audiophiles appreciate higher quality audio and we're a market too small to bother. Well, maybe that's not correct. With Spotify holding the mass of the market, they see the value in investing in better quality. I'm excited, Qobuz and better quality Spotify this year = awesome! 6
Esoterica Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 21 hours ago, Chris.chapterten said: Funny, I’m also using a node and streaming Kayo and HR music simultaneously today.... No issues. My internet connection is around 45mbps And wouldn't you know it, not long after posting that I started having dropouts again. I guess it depends on the content. When the hi-res stuff was playing smoothly I thought I'd go back to play some tracks that didn't work the other day. Jeff Buckley songs. Them and some others were playing up after I had a good run earlier. Hopefully it will be better now, as telstra were carrying out work on my local network up until yesterday. I'm not sure if it matters anyway, as I was reading about my DAC (Primare MM30) and it says it upsamples all digital sources to 24/192 anyway that would explain not necessarily discerning a SQ difference across the various files I stream.
Tobes Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 FWIW, I solved my issue with Roon SQ vs the Qobuz app by moving the DAC onto my old i7 Mac Mini and using the lightweight Roon Bridge to connect to the Roon core on my M1 Mini - ie split the Core/control and playback functions.
Guest Eggcup the Dafter Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 4 hours ago, ray4410 said: Five Things to Know About Spotify HiFi FEBRUARY 22, 2021 Artists and fans have told us that sound quality is important to them. We agree, and that’s why today at Stream On we announced Spotify HiFi. Beginning later this year, Premium subscribers in select markets will be able to upgrade their sound quality to Spotify HiFi and listen to their favorite songs the way artists intended. Read on for five things you need to know about our new high-quality music experience: High-quality music streaming is consistently one of the most requested new features by our users. Spotify HiFi will deliver music in CD-quality, lossless audio format to your device and Spotify Connect-enabled speakers, which means fans will be able to experience more depth and clarity while enjoying their favorite tracks. Ubiquity is at the core of everything we do at Spotify, and we’re working with some of the world’s biggest speaker manufacturers to make Spotify HiFi accessible to as many fans as possible through Spotify Connect. HiFi will be coupled with Spotify’s seamless user experience, building on our commitment to make sure users can listen to the music they love in the way they want to enjoy it. Spotify HiFi will begin rolling out in select markets later this year, and we will have more details to share soon. i for one can't wait for spotify hifi,has all the albums i need,shows similar music choices, keeps playing music in the same genre when your last selection has finished , i am sure there will be some who will disagree but going back through this thread it seems qobuz has it's downside,maybe it is teething problems as it is early days for australia,when spotify does start streaming hifi in oz at least we have more choices. I suspect we're all watching this one, VPNs at the ready, because it will probably arrive in Australia some time around 2028. As long as their "lossless audio format" is real PCM, and not something with the word "master" in the name, of course!
08Boss302 Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 38 minutes ago, Eggcup the Dafter said: I suspect we're all watching this one, VPNs at the ready, because it will probably arrive in Australia some time around 2028. As long as their "lossless audio format" is real PCM, and not something with the word "master" in the name, of course! Spotify being the juggernaught they are I am of the opinion we'll get it here not long after its USA release. Darko did a clip not long after the announcement speculating it wont be an additional cost to the current premium subscription but more so just an option that current subscribers can choose - that would be quite amazing if its the way it goes. As for their HiFi format, I wrote in the original thread (before the split into this one, although I think my post is on P1 of this thread now) that I reckon in some way or another Spotify will be damned even with their HiFi platform by many audiophiles. Spotify is just a machine and hardly boutiqe about anything it does or caters so even with a fair priced HiFi platform their will be fault found. Their 320kbps Ogg Vorbis is ridiculed too. All that aside, lets not forget the US also has Amazon HD which we havent seen here yet! I've had Qobuz for over a year now, its a great service, I much prefer it over Tidal on the provision of my equipment and also I've always felt Tidal had an inflated bass to it, like a V curve that I did not employ. That of course if subjective on my behalf. I wont even start with Tidals useless suggestions. In a perfect world, Spotify HiFi will come along and that will serve me perfectly, as a premium user I enjoy pretty much everything about Spotify. Qobuz however is also fantastic and for that more indulgent listen and having HiRes I have no plans to discontinue my subscription especially not at the current annual fee where I can listen to all the HiRes i desire and find artists in HiRes I would otherwise never buy their CD. All service prefernce bashings aside, its a remarkable and wonderful reality we have with these services these days. I get that the artists are at a financial disadvantage from the good ol days because of it, but downloading was also rife giving them $0 so at least this now promotes thier new releases and gets people listening and to their gigs/buying merch which is hopefully where they are getting some revenue nowadays. 3
Niktech Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 I listened to the hi res version of the Eurythmics album Revenge (Remastered) last night. Just wow! Annie Lennox's vocals 2
NonPlayableCharacter Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 Only 5 minutes ago I finished listening to Blind Faith 192/24 on Qobuz. What an album and what an amazing experience in HiRes. Qobuz's only significant failing is its lack of radio-based-on-type function/suggestions. This will be the catalyst to resurrect/rebuild my Roon Core I think. 2
Honreekea Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, John0001 said: If you own Audirvana there's a link provided (code) in the preferences where you connect your account that gives you a 3 month free trial of Qobuz. Not for me.... Edited April 19, 2021 by Honreekea
Kaynin Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 1 hour ago, El Tel said: Qobuz's only significant failing is its lack of radio-based-on-type function/suggestions. Yep, certainly mentioned often so far so clearly a bug bear for many people, myself included. Having said that, it’s merely a software update to address it, so I’m holding great hope it will be sorted in the near future. If we all provide feedback to Qobuz, I’m sure they’d hear the message. 1
NonPlayableCharacter Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, Kaynin said: it’s merely a software update to address It may seem that way... Whilst updating player versions is the easy part, the algorithm behind it is very complex and would take significant resources to develop to the point of viability. It's why Roon does well as an add-on in front of Qobuz and Tidal.
John0001 Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 @Honreekea Definitely 3 month trial here via Audirvana; Audirvana Mac Version 3.5.44. J 2
Grizaudio Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, John0001 said: @Honreekea Definitely 3 month trial here via Audirvana; Audirvana Mac Version 3.5.44. J How do you find the user experience with Audirvana? I struggled with Audirvana when compared to Roon's experience. Roon seems more reliable, less buggy. Although, I personally feel Roon is over priced for what it does.
Citroen Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 (edited) Does anyone know how much Qobuz pays the artist cf to the other streaming music services? I know there are many ways to calculate these payouts, as there are many factors to conside but generally they all put Tidal near the top end, and Spotify at the opposite end of the scale. So where does Qobuz fit in? Edited April 19, 2021 by Citroen
Honreekea Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, John0001 said: @Honreekea Definitely 3 month trial here via Audirvana; Audirvana Mac Version 3.5.44. J I don't doubt you. I'm just showing what I get. Admittedly I'm still using version 2 of audio Varna
Guest Eggcup the Dafter Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Citroen said: Does anyone know how much Qobuz pays the artist cf to the other streaming music services? I know there are many ways to calculate these payouts, as there are many factors to conside but generally they all put Tidal near the top end, and Spotify at the opposite end of the scale. So where does Qobuz fit in? This is a US comparison I believe from last year. Nobody pays much, but there's Qobuz, top of the list at four times what Tidal pays! It will be different for us, I don't know how different though.
Honreekea Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Grizaudio said: How do you find the user experience with Audirvana? I struggled with Audirvana when compared to Roon's experience. Roon seems more reliable, less buggy. Although, I personally feel Roon is over priced for what it does. I have version 2 and it's been hit and miss for me. Which negated me stumping up for V3. The program has been very buggy for an OsX program compared to my normal MAC experience.. No experience with Roon, but from what little I've read I would agree, overpriced
Citroen Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, Eggcup the Dafter said: This is a US comparison I believe from last year. Nobody pays much, but there's Qobuz, top of the list at four times what Tidal pays! It will be different for us, I don't know how different though. Thanks. Just found this too 1 1
antz Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 Yeah, late to the party but was going to say with Spotify coming out with a premium lossless offering there is going to be a way more competitive market for us. I still feel Spotify's UI offering is leaps and bounds ahead of the others along with its automatic selection after a playlist finishes. It will be interesting to see how aggressively it is priced. 3
John0001 Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 38 minutes ago, Grizaudio said: How do you find the user experience with Audirvana? I struggled with Audirvana when compared to Roon's experience. Roon seems more reliable, less buggy. Although, I personally feel Roon is over priced for what it does. The UI and overall feel of Audirvana are definitely much less sophisticated than Roon. It works fine, does all the basics with no problem, I've not had any issues with v3.5 at all; it's stable and error free. But yeah, you pay a lot for Roon's superior UI and networking that's for sure. Having compared the two I think Audirvana does sound slightly better than Roon, which sounds marginally flatter.
Grizaudio Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, John0001 said: The UI and overall feel of Audirvana are definitely much less sophisticated than Roon. It works fine, does all the basics with no problem, I've not had any issues with v3.5 at all; it's stable and error free. But yeah, you pay a lot for Roon's superior UI and networking that's for sure. Having compared the two I think Audirvana does sound slightly better than Roon, which sounds marginally flatter. I've used both. I can't say I hear a difference between Audirvana or Roon. I will say, Audirvana 3.5 on Win10 gave me issues with lockups etc. Which is why I went to Roon. If Spotify comes out with lossless, I'll simply use the Spotify app and stream to my Ropieee XL Streamer via connect. I would have no need for Roon, I only use it as a connect transport, for Tidal and Qobuz. I think I would be happier with this setup, all things considered. Edited April 19, 2021 by Grizaudio
wolster Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 46 minutes ago, Citroen said: Thanks. Just found this too This confirms it for me. Goodbye Tidal and, looking at those figures, maybe I should also say goodbye to Spotify. 2 1
Guest Eggcup the Dafter Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Citroen said: Thanks. Just found this too Thanks. That was what I'd found... but looks like the link got away from my post. Whoops.
Jakeyb77_Redux Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 Had no issues using Audirvana into M1 Mac running Qobuz. No lags or bugs that I’ve noticed. Easy to find tracks and the remote app works fine for me. my download speed is 260mbps though.
Steffen Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Citroen said: Thanks. Just found this too How current are these figures, and what is their source? WSJ has just reported that Apple revealed for the first time what they pay to artists: https://www.macrumors.com/2021/04/16/apple-music-pays-one-cent-per-stream/
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